Venues for PUSHBACK

[EFerrari]

Post'em if you got them. Here are some I found googling.

Need LTTE:

Charleston Daily Mail
Analysis: Obama walks thin line on interrogations

But liberal groups, blogs and Web sites are afire with calls for full-bore inquiries and possible prosecutions of the lawyers and officials who justified the tactics. Those tactics included 11 days of sleep deprivation for some detainees and repeated waterboarding, an ordeal that simulates drowning.

http://dailymail.com/News/NationandWorld/200904240157?page=2&build=cache

Also at Tulsa World
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=16&articleid=20090424_13_0_WSIGOA548558


WaPo
In Obama's Inner Circle, Debate Over Memos' Release Was Intense
As President Obama met with top advisers on the evening of April 15, he faced one of the sharpest policy divides of his young administration.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/23/AR2009042304718.html?hpid=topnews

Where 'Those Methods' Lead
By Eugene Robinson
Friday, April 24, 2009

The many roads of inquiry into the Bush administration's abusive "interrogation techniques" all lead to one stubborn, inconvenient fact: Torture is not just immoral but also illegal. This means that once we learn the whole truth, the law will oblige us to act on it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/23/AR2009042303717.html


Boston Globe
Pressure builds on torture issue
WASHINGTON - Congressional Democrats and activist groups turned up the pressure on the Obama administration yesterday to pursue investigations or prosecutions of Bush administration officials who authorized brutal interrogations of terrorist suspects.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2009/04/24/pressure_builds_on_torture_issue/

Miami Herald
Politics of torture dividing Washington

WASHINGTON -- If growing political pressure doesn't subside soon, President Barack Obama may have to do something he has resisted since taking office: support a new investigation into how the Bush-era CIA interrogated suspected terrorists with techniques that are widely consider torture.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/top-stories/story/1015129.html



Monterrey Co. Herald / AP
White House opposes interrogation commission
ssociated Press
Updated: 04/24/2009 01:36:26 AM PDT

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration struggled to quell persistent Democratic demands for a potentially explosive probe of harsh Bush administration detainee interrogations Thursday, abruptly declaring opposition to an independent commission. Republicans stepped up their own criticism of President Barack Obama's handling of the sensitive issue.

http://www.montereyherald.com/ci_12216995?source=rss

That should get us started!

:bounce::bounce::bounce:

[EFerrari]

1. A few more places to LTTE:

South County Spotlight - Oregon paper:
U.S. Democrats split on Bush-era interrogation probe
By Randall Mikkelsen

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A debate over how to investigate Bush-era officials who authorized harsh interrogation tactics of terrorism suspects split Washington on Thursday, and Democrats squabbled over how to proceed.

http://www.spotlightnews.net/us_world_news/story.php?story_id=TRE53M7DL


Fresno Bee
Our nation must move ahead
This is a sensitive time; Obama must have a free hand in foreign policy.
Friday, Apr. 24, 2009

Congressional Democrats need to take a breath at a time when their political giddiness is overwhelming their good sense on holding hearings on the Bush administration's terrorist interrogation tactics. These proposed hearings -- and there could be several -- seem destined to be partisan affairs that will continue to divide the country.

http://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/story/1353757.html

SacBee
Pressure grows for a formal investigation into torture allegations
Published: Friday, Apr. 24, 2009 - 12:00 am | Page 6A

WASHINGTON – If growing political pressure doesn't subside soon, President Barack Obama may have to do something he's resisted since taking office: Support a new investigation into how the Bush-era CIA interrogated suspected terrorists with techniques that are widely considered torture.

http://sacbee.com/341/story/1805956.html

[EFerrari]

2. POLL at KC Star:

POLL at KC Star: Is torture effective?
http://www.kansascity.com/273/story/1159559.html

[chill_wind]

9. Thanks for link. Looks like winger apologists haven't discovered that one

yet. In fact, not many responses at all so far.

kicking it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

10. They discovered the comments section following the poll

No, torture never works. We need to let terrorists sit around and play with cute little puppys ... oops, dogs are bad so that would be torture. OK, feed them 3 wondeful meals a day of ham sandwiches ... oops, pork is bad so that would be torture. Well, let them attend conferences run by Jenene Garofalo ... OH GOD NO, that WOULD be torture.

Sigh, I guess we'll just have to anonymously let them all go in the United States somewhere. I'm sure they wouldn't plot to kill anyone.

[EFerrari]

3. Some on line venues

EarthTimes
US memo drafters were complicit in torture, UN torture monitor says
Vienna - United States officials who drafted policies on harsh interrogation tactics for terrorism suspects should be prosecuted as accomplices in torture, the United Nation's monitor on torture Manfred Nowak said Friday in Vienna. Nowak was reacting to the announcement by US President Barack Obama on Tuesday that he would let Attorney General Eric Holder, the chief of the the US Justice Department, decide whether to investigate those who drafted the legal memos during the Bush administration.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/265776,us-memo-drafters-were-complicit-in-torture-un-torture-monitor-says.html

HuffPo
On Torture
I witnessed detainee abuse in Iraq and did not report it. I fully believe that we bear personal responsibility for our actions; this moral failing is my own burden, one I will carry with me for the rest of my life.But it has also influenced how I look at headlines about torture, from Abu Ghraib to the recent revelations about GITMO.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kayla-williams/on-torture_b_190967.html

Globe and Mail
Those Torture Memos
There is something precious and virginal about the torture debate in the United States. As if that nation never knew torture before the shock of 9/11, and had to play catch-up, stumbling understandably as it felt its way.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090424.wcosalutin24world/BNStory/International/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20090424.wcosalutin24world

HuffPo
Andrew Worthington
Who authorized the torture of Abu Zubaydah?

For the defendants of the use of torture by U.S. forces -- still led by former Vice President Dick Cheney -- this has been a rocky few weeks, with the publication, in swift succession, of the leaked report by the International Committee of the Red Cross (PDF), based on interviews with the 14 "high-value detainees" transferred to Guantánamo from secret CIA prisons in September 2006, which concluded that their treatment "constituted torture" (and was accompanied by two detailed articles by Mark Danner for the New York Review of Books), the release, by the Justice Department, of four memos issued by the Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) in 2002 and 2005, which purported to justify the use of torture by the CIA, and the release of a 231-page investigation into detainee abuse conducted by the Senate Armed Services Committee (PDF).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-worthington/who-authorized-the-tortur_b_190914.html

(NOTE: Andy knows his stuff! This is one to send around.)

[EFerrari]

4. annabanana's thread: Morning Ho Talking Points:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5524293&mesg_id=5524293

[annabanana]

11. Here is a "meme summary thread" from today's Scabrough" show"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5524803&mesg_id=5524803

[EFerrari]

5. saltpoint's WH contact thread in GD:P :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8368338

[Senator]

6. Kick -- (some beltway-bubble butt)

[chill_wind]

7. and recommending

:thumbsup:

[EFerrari]

8. Kick

[EFerrari]

12. Nice work, everybody! See you in the mornng!

:party::applause::party: