Yes, of course men have the right to voice their opinion about abortion

[cali]

both in a general philosophical way, and in a specific situation where they've impregnated a woman, be she his wife or girlfriend or something else. I don't think anyone here wants to deprive anyone of their first amendment rights. What a man doesn't have the right to do is, stop a woman from having an abortion. Abortion is a constitutionally protected right.

[seabeyond]

1. man doesn't have the right to do is... equally as the women opposed to abortion

dont have the right to do.

i agree cali.

to suggest males dont have the right to express is wrong

[Captain Hilts]

3. It's been pretty rough seeing legislatures comprised of old men make laws controlling young women. n

[seabeyond]

5. but it really is not even close to being old men only, with this fight

living in the panhandle of texas, i am surrounded by these people and it is both gender. the women are way more strident than the men. men absolutley loose footing exactly and simply cause of gender and unable to experience, ergo, not living in the reality of the eexperience.

but i have the same argument with the women in this area. i will make an experience as horrifying, their worse nightmare and ask them... if they would still oppose abortion in that circumstance, and they will refuse to get mind around it or even consider question.

i agree it is hard to listen to the arrogance of a male argument, but that is totally different than to say they dont have a part.

for me, 50% of the baby, is just that.

now, ultimately, the decision to abort, my argument is totally different, so please dont conclude

[Seeking Serenity]

7. Every day, I drive by the Planned Parenthood office to and from work

and the female protesters outside consistently outnumber the male protesters, easily 2- or 3 to 1. Even on weekends.

For whatever it's worth.

[Captain Hilts]

11. The issue has a higher priority with women, even if their views, as a whole, don't differ from men's

[seabeyond]

12. but i would take that argument with any issue. whomever is the one experiencing

gets a whole lot more consideration from me than a person not experiencing. be it a male issue, woman, black, gay.... if it is beyond my experience, i am going ot be quiet and listen to the person that is actually experiencing, and hopefully learn. it doesnt mean my mind will change, or will be convinced of position, but i would absolutely value the knowledge and simple experience of the person.

that is something i dont see a lot of with people now a days. empathy. many of the women issues, SOME males insist and refuse to even listen to a woman. then the males opinion really is insignificant, ill informed and really doesnt matter a bit.

i think that is your point and the frustration and anger when a male jumps in with opinion, but without consideration

[Captain Hilts]

13. You and I know our limits. Most folks don't. nt

[seabeyond]

23. true that. also why we are having so many unresolved issues and battles.....

i cant change them, but i have to honor the process and the willingness to learn. use to be. people actually listened to one another. we didnt have all these strident battles. not agreeing yes... but finger in the ears and na na na na na would have been laughed and scorned by both sides. now, it is who we are.

i refuse

[Captain Hilts]

10. Yes, it is both genders. But for so long it has been majorly male-dominated legislatures.

But you are VERY right that women aren't the help here you'd think they'd be.

Hell, nearly half of women voted for GWB in '04. Women are a lousy voting bloc. And while they might place abortion on a slightly higher priority than men do, their views, as a whole, aren't that different from men's.

[Captain Hilts]

2. Yes, if they are participants in a pregnancy. Absolutely. nt

[MineralMan]

4. My opinion on abortion is that it's none of my business

unless I'm involved in the pregnancy, and then it's just my opinion (a situation that has never occurred). The choice must be left up to the woman carrying the fetus.

[Romulox]

6. The OP is factually incorrect; the SCOTUS does not define abortion as an absolute right

And under the framework laid out in the controlling case, (Planned Parenthood v. Casey) "men" (i.e. the state) may indeed stop a woman from having an abortion, post-viability.

Not agreeing or disagreeing with the ideology underlying the decision. But it is the current law.

[cali]

8. no it's not. and it's not nice to put words in my mouth.

I NEVER said that abortion is an absolute right. I wager I know far, far more about abortion rights and abortion than you. Far more. I'm versed in virtually every major SCOTUS case regarding abortion. That's why I'd never say that it's an absolute right.

Putting content that doesn't remotely exist into my post is sooo dishonest. Why did you do it?

[Romulox]

14. From the OP: "a man doesn't have the right to do is, stop a woman from having an abortion"

This is factually incorrect.

"I'm versed in virtually every major SCOTUS case regarding abortion."

You might edit your OP, then.

[cali]

17. It was clear. One would have to intentionally misinterpret to

conclude that I was speaking of a Justice of the SC.

[Romulox]

19. It STILL isn't clear what you're asserting. No matter, you're choosing to argue instead of explain.

"One would have to intentionally misinterpret conclude that I was speaking of a Justice of the SC."

Abortion laws are made by the states under the framework laid out in SCOTUS' caselaw. In other words, your comments are still incorrect, even if we exclude a Justice of the SCOTUS from your pronouncement.

[cali]

21. sure it is. everyone else on this thread grasps what I wrote.

however, I don't mind making the simple even simpler for those in dire need of very, very simple- in other words, you.

A woman's right to an abortion cannot be abrogated by her husband partner or any supposedly interested party. The only limitations on her right to choose are those posed by the viability of the fetus. The state has an interest at that point.

Hope that helped.

[Romulox]

22. Thanks for the clarification. That is a lot less sweeping of a point than you made in the OP. nt

[Seeking Serenity]

9. She's right.

Cali, who is so often a lone (or at best a part of a small minority) voice of reason and sanity on DU, was referring to (at least as I interpreted it) an individual man physically or legally stopping an individual woman from obtaining an otherwise legal abortion.

Did I get that right?

[cali]

18. That's exactly right.

And thank you for the kind words.

[SidDithers]

15. constitutionally protected != absolute...nt

Sid

[TahitiNut]

16. I suppose one could say that men's opinion regarding abortion is of comparable value as ...

... women's opinion regarding selective service, huh?

:hide:

[cali]

20. nah.

I don't see the parallel.