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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 09:32 AM
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Rummy's parting words as Sec. of Defense
As Rummy was leaving the Pentagon he dropped this nugget, that his worst day as Sec. of Defense was when he just found out
about what went on at Abu Ghraib ...... :wtf:

"Clearly, the worst day was Abu Ghraib, seeing what went on there and feeling so deeply sorry that that happened," he replied.

The son of bitch approved and ordered the torture to take place and yet he still told a bold faced lie to cover his ass.

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 09:35 AM
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1. let him repeat that to a court and jury
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 09:38 AM
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2. God is gona get Rummy!
:P
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 09:40 AM
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3. What he was sory about is that it became public n/t
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tosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 10:18 AM
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5. Exactly!! nt
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 09:42 AM
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4. This was the meme yesterday-Rummy and Colin didn't know about torture
they were "out of the loop" according to the talking head on the TV yesterday

:eyes:

Powell maybe but Rummy micromanaged every single aspect of the invasion of Iraq and the occupation
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 11:35 AM
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6. How hard would it be for the media, even if they
Edited on Sat Apr-25-09 11:37 AM by sabrina 1
are too lazy to do their own investigative work, to simply go to Google and do what I just did? In less than five minutes they would find out that pretending that Rummy was 'out of the loop' is at the very least, a useless claim, and at worst, complicity in the covering-up of a war crime.

The press too should be held accountable for covering all of this up for seven, long years.

Rumsfeld was only sorry that the photos from Abu Ghraib came out. Unless he's had an epiphany, Rumsfeld was personally involved in the torture program and there really is no way to deny it. All that's left is to see who, the US or some World tribunal will be the first to start the prosecutions.

http://www.fidh.org/Bi-Partisan-Commission-Blames

This week, the Senate Armed Services Committee released a bi-partisan report almost two years in the making on the abuse of detainees in U.S. custody, proving, beyond dispute, that Donald Rumsfeld was directly responsible for abusive interrogation techniques used abroad.


That was in December of last year ~

Which backs up this ~

The Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR), the International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH), and the European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights (ECCHR) have filed a total of three cases against Rumsfeld and others in Germany and France under universal jurisdiction laws, for the torture of detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo, and in secret sites. Plaintiffs had demonstrated that Rumsfeld, in violation of the Convention against Torture, was responsible for having directly and personally crafted and ordered the use of ”harsh” interrogation techniques constituting torture. The complaints, accompanied by several hundred pages of evidence, also alleged that such techniques were implemented under Rumsfeld’s supervision, and that, starting in 2002, he personally managed several torture sessions of terrorist suspects.

Today, the Senate Committee’s report reaffirms these facts and stresses the illegality and ineffectiveness of the techniques in question.


I don't see how the US can get out of prosecuting them, starting with the appointment of a special prosecutor.

FIDH President Souhayr Belhassen said “It is no news that Donald Rumsfeld and other high-ranking Bush administration officials are personally responsible for the torture of detainees since 9/11. But it is truly significant that a United States Senate bi-partisan Committee, years later, is finally coming to terms with this reality, accepts it, and denounces it. To not follow up on this report with effective prosecutions of those quoted in the report – starting with Rumsfeld – would be absolutely scandalous to the public, to the whole international community, and to the victims of these brutal techniques – which have still not seen justice and still suffer the consequences of these treatments.”]/blockquote]

They kidnapped and tortured citizens of many countries and it's astounding that they did not believe other countries would care enough about their citizens to demand answers as to why that happened. But it does indicate how they think. They did believe they ruled the world and those men, women and children they tortured were, as Miller so eloquently said 'like dogs'.

Wolfgang Kaleck, Secretary General of ECCHR added: “In many European countries prosecutors and courts are investigating and prosecuting kidnapping and torture that were part of the CIA “Extraordinary Rendition Program,” because the crimes partly took place on European territory or were directed against European citizens. That is a good development.

This country has been ruled by some very sick people for the past eight years and I really wish I understood how that could have happened.

This three-part documentary, although it is difficult to watch, is worth watching and sending around to as many people as possible.

We, unlike the German people, can never claim 'we did not know'. Nor can the US media.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 12:20 PM
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8. Google? What's that the press asks?
I know that is a ridiculous thing for me to post, the press doesn't ask ANY questions
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 12:59 PM
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9. I know, that's why I said it was
rhetorical :-)
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 02:13 PM
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14. I don't believe that Powell is innocent
maybe reluctant, but still culpable.
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yoyossarian Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 12:00 PM
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7. Easily the MAIN architect of this evil shit!
So sorry to see him go...
Or will we ever really be rid of him?



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President Evil Online has risen from the grave!
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 01:14 PM
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10. All those years in the "chain of command" --

he knew exactly where the finger should point as soon as he was aware of those damning pictures. He's been on defense ever since.

Rec.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 01:38 PM
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11. Caughtitis
He was deeply sorry for having been exposed. Had it never come to light, it would have been business as usual.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 01:41 PM
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12. When they use words like "clearly" you know they're lying
Bush did this a lot too -- I think "clearly" and "obviously" were his two favorites.

Both roughly translate to "It's not true, but I want you to believe that..."

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 03:41 PM
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17. Probably an abbreviation of Nixon's "Let me make one thing perfectly clear”
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 01:58 PM
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13. Whad a Lying POS....tell the dude to go fuck himself...
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 02:15 PM
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15. what's he up to now?
did he ever leave his office in the Pentagon, he was squatting there for a while.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 02:19 PM
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16. What about the day that three Brazilian soldiers died?
Anybody, anybody?
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 09:34 PM
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18. They're all about covering their own asses while drooling over yours.
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leftyclimber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 09:37 PM
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19. "Deeply sorry."
Dude, that does not even begin to cover it.

Especially since what he really meant was "deeply sorry we got caught."

:grr:
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