been thinking of those 7000 gun stores along the border

[ensho]

(re: yesterday's thread)

if each of those gun stores sold one gun a day - 7000 guns.

times 31 days a mo. is 28,000 guns.

times 12 mo. a yr. is 336,000 guns.

if only 1 gun a day is sold in each store.

(what is the average sales numbers per day? anyone know?)

this needs investigation, real digging deep investigation.

Mex. says the guns come from the US. so where are 336,000 guns going? going into US family homes?

[Catshrink]

1. Hunters.

They're for hunting, dontcha know?

[Hangingon]

11. and they are for target shooters, collectors, self protection

doncha ya know?

[adiabatic]

2. Someone told you there is a gun store every 900 feet along the border???

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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4. There are 5280 feet in a mile

and the US/Mexican border is 1969 miles (source wikipedia). That is 10,396,320 feet. Divided by 7000 is 14,851.88 feet. Or about one every 2.8 miles. That is hardly unreasonable especially since I am presuming they are counting within a certain, close distance, say a mile.

[adiabatic]

6. 10,396,320 / 7000 = 1485.18 you were only off by a factor of ten.

I estimated the border at around 1300 miles assuming there aren't very many gun shops in many places like the Big Bend where there are no towns or ranches or homes or anything else but a few rafter, snakes and coyotes.
:shrug:

[dsc]

9. sorry misread my calc

[ensho]

5. you sound stupid

nt

[adiabatic]

7. You win. Who could argue with impeccable logic like that?

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[inwiththenew]

3. I don't know exactly how many a day

But I saw at the beginning of this month, the FBI background check system that is used when you buy a gun has just passed 100 million since it was instituted in 1998. Now not all of those are new guns, some of them could be guns traded in and resold or sold between two individuals in different states. But lets say 100 million over 10 years works out to 10 million per year on average which works out to about 27397 (roughly) legal firearm transactions per day over the last 10 years.

[aikoaiko]

8. First, I'd like to see the way that 7000 # was constructed and how it compares to other areas with.

...similar laws.

[Hangingon]

10. Trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

sterdsay's post on this subject was a superlative example of stupidity. Today's try at fixing it is worse.



"(re: yesterday's thread)

if each of those gun stores sold one gun a day - 7000 guns.

times 31 days a mo. is 28,000 guns.

times 12 mo. a yr. is 336,000 guns.

if only 1 gun a day is sold in each store."

Well, the math is wrong. 7,000 guns (1 gun per store) times 31 days equals 217,000 guns and not 336,000 guns - "if they only sold 1 gun a day is sold in each store". 217,000 guns times 12 months equals 2,604,000 guns - not the annual 336,000 you project. You are obviuosly math deficient. 2,604,000 is a lot of guns to go over the border via the straw purchase method. Surely BATFE would be able to track this. I would expect even the Mexican customs to stop some of this flow. We are talking truck convoys size shipments here.

By the way, 31 days times twelve months equals 372 days. To start the "real digging deep investigation", let me clue in that there are 365 days in the normal earth year. That would yeild a 49,000 gun error in the calculation using your formula (if you knew math)

"(what is the average sales numbers per day? anyone know?)

this needs investigation, real digging deep investigation.'

Why don't you pose this question in the guns forum? I am sure they could give you some research leads.

"Mex. says the guns come from the US. so where are 336,000 guns going? going into US family homes?" I would expect that the vast majority of gun store sales go to legal buyers who keep them on their property.

[X_Digger]

12. Another way to look at it..

The MX govt has said '2,000/day are crossing the border from the US into MX'.

If that were true, 730,000 guns per year. The US gun industry produces right at 4 million guns each year. That would mean that 17% of all US made guns go to mexico. Assuming most of this traffic happens in those 7,000 gun shops, that would mean 105 guns from each of these shops. That would mean 30% of each of those shops' guns (assuming 1/day).

Somehow I doubt that every third purchase (assuming 1/day) is getting stuffed in a crate and sent to mexico. The ATF analyzes NICS data as well as raw shipping numbers to stores to help identify straw purchases- see recent bust here: http://www.montgomerycountynews.net/index.php?module=article&view=422

How many were caught during the president's trip to MX? Hasn't been officially released but the talking head on the border for CNN said he hadn't heard of _any_ so far.

eta:
Having been to some of these 'border' gun stores, I can tell you there's a lot of buying by all types of people. So unless all these soccer moms, camouflage-wearing white guys, businessmen wearing casual clothes and $200 haircuts- unless all them are secretly part of the drug cartels, I'll keep being skeptical.