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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 07:11 PM
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The new CEO of the DLC says their mission is nearly accomplished.
Bruce Reed, the new CEO of the Democratic Leadership Council, has declared their mission of getting the party back in power has been completed. They are claiming credit and perhaps they are right to do so. The power, the money, the way that progressive Democrats were pushed out of races so conservatives could run indicate he may just be right.

There are other indications, like which leaders are on the outside looking in, and which ones are close at hand to the seat of power.

CQ Politics posted an article on April 11 in which they spoke of the new DLC. They spoke of the new CEO's close friendship with Rahm Emanuel, and how it will expedite getting their views heard.

Bruce Reed: The political mission of the DLC has been largely accomplished"

Yes, it may have been.


REED: Only the second CEO the DLC has ever known. (CQ / SCOTT J. FERRELL)

The political mission of the DLC has been largely accomplished, said Reed, whos had the groups No. 2 post since 2001. Twenty-five years ago, the forgotten middle class had serious doubts about Democrats, and now Democrats are winning the middle class, suburban voters, moderates by handsome margins. Our next challenge is to deliver on that promise and earn those votes for years to come.

Its a familiar dilemma in Washington: How can an insurgent group that helped navigate a long-term path to power re-invent itself in a drastically different political landscape? To preserve its market viability, the DLC must now create the same sense of urgency for helping the governing party stay in power as it did for shaking up an ailing party that was losing its grip on power.


They are effectively claiming they got us back in power. I am in awe that they are claiming to be an "insurgent" group.

More in the article about "The Emanuel Factor":

The DLCs trump card over the next few years, however, will be the close relationship Reed has with Rahm Emanuel , the White House chief of staff and a committed centrist with a policy wonks appetite for new ideas. The two worked together in the Clinton White House and in 2006 co-wrote The Plan, a book-length roster of policy suggestions for Democrats. Their ideas which included three months of national service for all young adults, expanded access to college and broader health coverage for children are generally in line with the agenda Obama is pursuing now, such as the AmeriCorps expansion he is about to sign into law.

Emanuel and Reed still talk frequently, so its safe to assume that whatever ideas the DLC generates under Reed will have the White Houses ear. Rahm and I wrote a whole book of ideas that were deeply committed to, and he still keeps asking for more, Reed said.


The next paragraphs define their goals. They are considering President Obama one of them. They are not supposed to support candidates, but I imagine the congressional committees are pretty beholden to this group. And those committees define the candidates.

A Bluer Shade of Purple

Although the DLC, as a nonprofit, cant endorse candidates, Obama was never the Democratic presidential candidate who seemed closest to the organization. That honor belonged to Hillary Rodham Clinton Obamas former rival and now secretary of State who chaired the DLCs American Dream Initiative, which developed a 2006 agenda to improve the middle-class safety net and cut wasteful spending. The role was hardly surprising, given both Clintons longtime relationship with the DLC: Bill Clinton chaired the organization before his 1992 election as president, and the group supplied him with many of the centrist ideas he brought into the White House.

Reed said hes pinning some of his hopes for the groups future on Obamas promise to break through the constraints of partisan politics. The notion that Obama might be receptive to the DLCs ideas gained strength recently after the president told members of the Houses New Democrat Coalition that he considered himself one of them. He said, Listen, I feel comfortable with you guys because I consider myself a New Democrat, said Ron Kind of Wisconsin, one of the lawmakers at the meeting.


There is that warning again about being partisan.

No, they are not supposed to endorse or define candidates for any office. Yet there was a very definite and shocking moment in time when they did just that. They actually declared a man unfit to be the candidate.

DLC said Dean was not the man to be the candidate, not the man to defeat Bush.

They did it publicly, they called a press conference to do so. It never got much press, but they did it.

The 'D' in DLC Doesn't Stand for Dean (David Von Drehle, May 15, 2003, Washington Post)

More than 50 centrist Democrats, including Virginia Gov. Mark R. Warner, met here yesterday to plot strategy for the "New Democrat" movement. To help get the ball rolling they read a memo by Al From and Bruce Reed, the chairman and president of the Democratic Leadership Council. The memo dismissed Dean as an elitist liberal from the "McGovern-Mondale wing" of the party -- "the wing that lost 49 states in two elections, and transformed Democrats from a strong national party into a much weaker regional one."

"It is a shame that the DLC is trying to divide the party along these lines," said Dean spokesman Joe Trippi. "Governor Dean's record as a centrist on health care and balancing the budget speaks for itself."

As founder of the DLC, From has been pushing the Democratic Party to the right for nearly 20 years. He was in tall cotton, philosophically speaking, when an early leader of the DLC, Bill Clinton, was elected president in 1992. As Clinton's domestic policy guru, Reed pushed New Democrat ideas -- such as welfare reform -- that were often unpopular with party liberals.

"We are increasingly confident that President Bush can be beaten next year, but Dean is not the man to do it," Reed and From wrote. "Most Democrats aren't elitists who think they know better than everyone else."


They have controlled and are still defining the party in their preferred mode...a conservative one.

This one paragraph from the CQ Politics article defines their philosophy. Instead of encouraging the party to keep these 49 districts to which they refer, they seem to have a philosophy that to preserve those seats we must be as much like the other party as possible.

On a broader level, though, the group will face the same tension affecting the entire party: the sense among liberals that their ship has come in, as (Ron) Kind puts it and that, as a result, the need for moderation and compromise in Democratic politics has passed. But Democrats only have that majority because theyre holding on to seats that could easily return to Republican hands. In the House, for example, 49 districts that elected Democrats were carried by Republican John McCain at the top of the presidential ticket in 2008.


The same old mantra, watch out for those liberals...and let's be bipartisan. Tricky ground for Obama to navigate. A party is defined at times like these by those who are left looking in from the outside of the inner circle.

Maybe our "ship has come in", but it won't matter unless we fight to get their attention.
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 07:13 PM
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1. Proof Positive That The Democratic Party Is Not Democratic Any Longer
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:52 AM
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34. Which is why so many of us don't back just anyone with a (D) following
their name. We fight for Democratic ideals, not just the person who wears the label.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 12:35 PM
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37. Who, pray tell, do you back?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #37
51. Kuncinich in the last primaries
and we generally have more than one Dem to choose from in our local elections.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:54 PM
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53. the trap
The other member says we should not support party or politicians but principles and ideals, and you respond "so whom do you support?" Then, anyone the other person mentions can be dismissed as impractical and unrealistic. If the other member says "no one, we should support principles and ideals" the rejoinder will be "well we have to support someone, that is how the system works - we vote for people."

This is the way that principles and ideals, and those standing by them, are being systematically removed from the party.



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 05:00 PM
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54. And to that I say ....
:applause:
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:16 PM
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42. AGREED! AGREED! AGREED! AGREED! AGREED! One Party Made Up Of TWO Beholden To Corp America!
FASCISM Baby!
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #42
55. Awww shaddap, you goddamned librul commie!
:hi: :rofl:
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 07:20 PM
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2. The credit for the Democrats' return goes to Obama & Howard Dean.
The DLC only whores it out.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 09:03 PM
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7. Agree on that....but the conservatization of congressional Dems
must be credited mostly to the DLC and the heads of the congressional committees.

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 01:47 PM
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41. Absolutely!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:02 PM
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48. The credit goes to ALL the primary 2004 candidates and nominee who stuck their necks out to attack
Bush when the biggest names in the party at the time were supporting Bush on the biggest issues of that election cycle - his decisions on terrorism and Iraq war. THE biggest name in the party used his summer 2004 book tour to VIGOROUSLY DEFEND Bush's decisions against the very attacks being launched at him from the left and the nominee at the time.

Obama benefited AND added another aspect to the 08 cycle, but everyone knew by fall of 2006 that the Dem nominee would win, thanks to Dean's strengthening of party infrastructure state by state, so Dem candidates and voters COULD get their votes allowed, cast and counted.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 07:35 PM
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56. The DLC policy then was to support Bush.
And top dems followed along.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 09:25 AM
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60. Not just DLC, but ALL Dems were urged by Pres. Clinton to support Bush because HE AGREED with Bush
and Clinton used the PRIVILEGE of his office's access to intel information to sell Bush's war to other world leaders like Blair...to DC Dem lawmakers....and to the American people in general.

Clintons ESPECIALLY had no interest in Dems countering BushInc in the 2002 and 2004 election cycles.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 07:46 PM
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3. The DLC ship has come in.
It's not "my ship," or the ship of those left of center.

I agree that they have been largely successful.

Here at DU, a year ago, I was repeatedly told that the DLC was irrelevant, past history, etc., and that I ought to be supporting Obama because he was the "non-dlc" choice. I disagreed. I said repeatedly then that, official membership or connection or not, he was more closely aligned with the DLC than Clinton herself, which was shocking, at least to me.

A year later, I still think so.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 08:06 PM
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4. Power and money, which they have, is never irrelevant.
Never.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 08:34 PM
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6. True.
Nobody wanted to hear it then, and few want to acknowledge the DLC ascendancy now.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 01:44 PM
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40. I did support Hillary over Obama
so perhaps we were on the same page as fellow liberals. Another thing the DLC did was help shift the center more to the right.

I had a feeling when Emanuel was chosen that the DLC would have influence - it remains to be seen how much Obama shakes them off. I guess I tend to focus on the good things that Obama's done, and that's where we differ. But we both agree that liberal/progressive principles are the best way to get a strong nation. Obama being successful is important to sending us on our way. :hi:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:30 PM
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46. I actually supported neither in the primaries.
By the time it rolled around to my state on May 20th, I was praying for a brokered convention.

I think I focus on what I don't like because I take it personally. His appointment of Arne Duncan is a slap in the face, professionally, and his plans for education, at the end of 8 tense years holding on and hoping that a Democrat would change things for the better, is devastating.

I do, though, appreciate it when I think he gets something right, and don't hesitate to say so.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:02 PM
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47. I did vote for Kucinich in the primary, so he was my #1
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 04:02 PM by mvd
My support for Hillary over Obama was pretty minor. I understand completely about education - is there anything you like about Duncan or is it all bad?
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:08 PM
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49. He's all bad.
The best choice on Obama's shortlist would have been Linda Darling Hammond. He chose the worst; as one Chicago teacher put it, "a privatizer, union-buster, and corporate stooge." That was in an email shortly after the appointment.

Here's a couple of links with more info:

http://www.rethinkingschools.org/archive/23_03/arne233.shtml

http://www.substancenews.net/articles.php?page=122
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:31 PM
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50. IMO there is nothing good for education about Duncan's choice.
As a retired teacher I know how silent teachers must be to survive and keep their jobs, but time will show this to be that moment when public schools were nearing the end of being.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 08:13 PM
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5. The (D)edicated (L)eague of (C)onservatives
Edited on Sat Apr-25-09 08:18 PM by Dragonfli
Insistence on supporting and replicating republican policies makes them just as dangerous to our country as the republican rein has been these past eight years.

The fact that they are pro-corporate anti-labor republicans in drag is seldom even hidden and not lost on those of us that support the FDR style Democratic policies we need if we are to repair this country.

I believe they had very little to do with the victories achieved in the last few elections.
The victories were largely the result of a coalition of grass-roots canvassers, Howard Deans DNC, union activists, anti-war activists and a long overdue awakening of the people to the failures of the very policies that the DLC support.

It takes some balls for the republicans masquerading as Democrats to take credit and assume power over this.
This is of course exactly what I expected of them.

They are going to give it back to the republicans again if they keep blocking labor and supporting republicans at which time of course they will blame the liberals they fought for those failures.

Sickening
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 09:16 PM
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8. Proof that despite however great Obama is, we have a larger problem with the Democratic Party
The Democratic Party over the years and continued to move away from me, move away from Americans concerned about the poor, concerned about peace and a non-imperialistic foreign policy, concerned about not being in the back pocket of AIPAC, concerned about the unbridled expansion of corporate power over politics, media, and (formerly) public services.

The Democratic Party has consistently gotten weaker in every single one of these areas, to the point where a moderate centrist president and solid friend to corporate business and firmly committed to continuing the same basic pro-transnational corporation hegemonic foreign policy around the world is seen as a breath of fresh air and inspirational (even to me, I am not immune from finding a reprieve from things being "so bad" as something refreshing and good - but its not enough.)

This is not the last period of great social calamity we will experience if we don't take this opportunity to completely overhaul our system of business in this country. And the root of all our domestic and international problems is the corporate stranglehold on policy. Right now the President has elected to pursue a track of simply trying to return our economy to the "status quo" of short term "prosperity" for a select few, and business as usual for America. If successful it will only put a temporary band aid on a colossal problem.

There is going to be a reckoning one day. We simply can't sustain the politics we are allowing in Washington - on ALL SIDES of the isle.

"Sooner or later, the day comes when you can't hide from the things that you've done." - Admiral Bill Adama ;)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 09:21 PM
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10. Exactly. In my posts I don't criticize Obama. I worry about those around him.
We really do need to be on guard. I do worry because he chose Rahm to be so close to his side, because Rahm is tied to this group totally and completely.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 09:19 PM
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9. Bookmarking and thanks.
This will help in the book I'm gathering information to write.
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 09:22 PM
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11. DLC = GOP
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:58 PM
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59. DLC = POS
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 09:31 PM
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12. DLC is to DNC as "New Labour" is to Labour.
Margaret Thatcher is very pleased.

I think the people will eventually be educated enough to know what is best for them. Until then, the conservatives will be smiling.

That's just my take on things.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 01:04 PM
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38. Good point.
And yes, the conservatives still do control things. As the middle class gets poorer now, they will have less power. The money and power still are in control.

Margaret Thatcher would be pleased indeed.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 10:05 PM
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13. More from the CQ Politics article...sounds like Third Way is competing with them.
Quite frankly I have read the stuff at their website, and I see little difference.

SO now we have a battle of the think tanks, while all of them are warning against the "liberals".

If that wasnt competition enough, theres Third Way, created four years ago to provide policy and messaging advice to centrist Democrats. It started as a small shop as well, but it is expanding this year, aiming for a staff of 25 and a budget of $5 million. Third Way has seized on the DLCs leadership turnover as a chance to dominate the market for Democratic centrist ideas.

Jonathan Cowan, the groups president, calls From and Reed brilliant innovators who created a marketplace in Democratic politics that didnt exist before. But as in all movements, you see generational changes, Cowan said. Third Way is now emerging as the next generation of leadership for the progressive movement.


Doesn't matter who wins the battle....their policies take us sharp right. Third Way moving in on the DLC's turf, but they are mostly just alike.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 11:03 PM
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14. DLC Mission Accomplished !
*Organized LABOR destroyed

*Disparity of Wealth greater than before the Great Depression

*Wages of Workers last 30 years = stagnant

*pensions and medical care for Workers/Retirees destroyed or declining

*Wages of upper management astronomical

*Productivity UP (more work/less pay)

*Consumer Protections in decline

*Protections for BIG Corporations all time high

*2 more Ultra Conservative Anti-Consumer Rights Judges seated on the Supreme Court (See: Gang of 14)

*Anti-LABOR "Free Trade" now a Democratic Party Policy

*Bankruptcy Protection for the Working Class destroyed

*Bailouts for Wall Street Big Banks, Auto Workers given the finger

*Two more lingering military quagmires absorbing $Trillions

*Steady increases for the MIC


YES! The work of the DLC is almost done.
The New Deal has been almost entirely reversed.
Only ONE MORE BIG GOAL left:
The Privatization or Destruction of Social Security.

Wait for it.
What the Republicans failed to do is next on the agenda of the DLC...Entitlement Reform!




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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 11:18 PM
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15. I expect you're correct about "entitlement reform" -
in that speech (I believe it was State of the Union), Obama clearly said he wanted to "start a conversation about social security". That sent shivers down my spine, and it should be a warning to all of us to be on guard. You know that isn't going to be anything positive for working folks.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 11:35 PM
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17. He also said he wanted to talk about universal savings accounts
which will not solve any Social Security problem that exists.

"Now, to preserve our long-term fiscal health, we must also address the growing costs in Medicare and Social Security. Comprehensive health care reform is the best way to strengthen Medicare for years to come. And we must also begin a conversation on how to do the same for Social Security, while creating tax-free universal savings accounts for all Americans."

How does it "strengthen social security" to start more savings accounts.??

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/3795
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:22 AM
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30. Exactly - it will be the method they use to privatize SS. Very disturbing. n/t
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 11:33 PM
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16. About the same time Reed declared war on Howard Dean
is when the flocks of DLC shills (including Reed's son Chad) infiltrated DU with the same mission.

Some of them are still here. I suspect Chad is too. He's using a different name now, but still the same avatar he had back then.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 11:44 PM
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20. Aha, I did not know about that.
Yes, war was declared on Dean. Very clearly. He never had a chance.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 12:18 AM
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23. Here's Reed Jr's declaration of war
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=912123&mesg_id=912123

Too bad his avatar's not with the name anymore, or you might figure out the name he's using now ;)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 12:20 AM
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24. OMG I remember that well. What a painful time here.
Are you sure that is who it was? I am stunned.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 12:19 PM
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35. Remember these words of his from that awful thread?
"I intend on uniting the antiDean 75% of the party."

That was one of the nicer statements.

:wow:
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:17 PM
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44. That thread gave me acid reflux!
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 02:19 PM by PassingFair
Check out the LIEBERMAN supporter!

:puke:

It is SO sad to think how different
our country would be today if Dean
hadn't been attacked from within and
without.

We certainly would NOT be debating
that torture is OK because it makes
people confess.....
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:54 PM
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45. I think there were too many threads like that in 2003
It really was heartbreaking.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 09:49 AM
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61. It was obviously set up to foster further DIVISION. There is no honest argument in it
and the DLC never intended for ANY Dem nominee to triumph in November, as most of them were firmly supporting Bush's decisions, as was their leader Bill Clinton, and were doing so publically. DLC and McAuliffe's DNC were looking towards Hillary2008 where she would continue to protect the legacy and fascist agenda of BushInc just as Bill did in the 90s.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 11:37 PM
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18. The last time a Democratic president listened to the DLC we steadily lost control of Congress
and then we lost the Presidency. And for the next eight years, the DLC regularly attacked liberals. I've heard decades of liberal-bashing from right-wing conservatives: by now I recognize it instinctively -- and that's what comes from the DLC


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Here to Stay
New Democrats Are Winning the Battle for Their Party's Soul
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The New Progressive Era
Gore and Bradley Should Heed the Lessons of the Clinton Years
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American voters know that 9/11 put national security back at the center of politics. Democrats should unify behind a new progressive patriotism.
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... The problem for Democrats is that an important part of their base -- upscale white liberals -- seems torn about the meaning of patriotism ... http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=124&subid=307&contentid=253472

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Book Review
By Fred Siegel
... know-nothing liberalism .. drove first the Dean campaign and then the party into the ditch ... http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=170&contentid=253221

DLC | Blueprint Magazine | February 9, 2006
Liberal Fallacy
By Peter Ross Range
... you also have the passionate streak that requires a liberal to hate -- not just disagree with -- her political enemies ... Denial is an old liberal trait ... The problem with the politics of hate and anger is that it diverts attention from creating a positive, competitive program that voters will embrace. And it causes liberals to say extreme things -- like accusing George W. Bush of lying about weapons of mass destruction before the Iraq war ... http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253718&kaid=127&subid=171

DLC | Blueprint Magazine | February 9, 2006
Trading in Myth
By Edward Gresser
Today's liberals have embraced a centuries-old canard about the perils of global trade ... http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253726&kaid=108&subid=206

DLC | Blueprint Magazine | May 17, 2006
The Early Politics of Evasion
A brief history of the intellectual cowardice that left Democrats hopelessly boggled on social issues.
By Joe Klein
In 1981, I left the liberal wing of the Democratic Party because the liberal wing of the Democratic Party had gone off the deep end ... http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253874&kaid=127&subid=171

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 11:46 PM
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21. In 2003 they called us fringe.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 01:22 AM
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27. Yep, that's the familiar name-calling practiced by the DLC!
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 11:41 PM
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19. One more time - If we wanted to elect Republicans, we would elect Republicans
We have no need of Democrats campaigning as pretend Republicans.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 12:05 AM
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22. If the Republicans go left of the DLC, they WILL get elected
The DLC and the Repubs can't go further right.

There's only one way out of this and if the Republicans decide to go populist, the DLC will have written the death warrant for the Democratic party.

Assholes.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:28 AM
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31. Exactly so. And you know where the money behind all this is really
coming from. Obama had a chapter in his 2nd book about being summoned to visit Warren Buffet when he was still an Illinois senator. It really tells you all you need to know about the power structure in this country.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 12:21 AM
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25. The DLC is why I am not a Democrat anymore.
I probably will never even vote for Democrats ever again. They've screwed progressives over and over again; when will we say enough?
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 12:50 AM
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26. 2 Groups ready to take on the DLC / Bluedogs
"The Progressive Change Campaign Committee is filling this void providing needed infrastructure and strategic advice early to progressive candidates so they can run first-class campaigns and win. And when PCCC-endorsed candidates get elected by working hand-in-hand with the progressive movement, theyll trust the political instincts of progressives and be sturdy allies as we work with them to pass a bold progressive agenda."

http://www.boldprogressives.org/

"Leading progressives are putting congressional Democrats on notice that they will recruit and support primary challenges to vulnerable incumbents who become more responsive to corporate America than to their constituents. Accountability Now, which was co-founded by Jane Hamsher of Firedoglake.com, draws its inspiration from the way in which former Rep. Al Wynn, D-Md., was ousted from office in 2007 by current Rep. Donna Edwards, a more liberal Democrat, who portrayed Wynn as beholden to corporate interests."

http://accountabilitynowpac.com/
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Metatron Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:29 AM
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32. Thanks for those links. n/t
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:04 AM
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28. DLC = highly irrelevant post 2008
Yes Obama has adopted "third way" ideas. The "third way" does not begin and does not end with the DLC. I particularly like that they use the term McGovern-Mondale wing if the Democratic Party considering that the term is nonsensical given that McGovern was an outsider and Mondale was the ultimate insider.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 07:34 AM
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29. "our ship has come in"
but our tickets are still for steerage class. The rich and corporatists still get the staterooms and ocean views.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:36 PM
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57. If they had their way
We'd be in life-rafts tied to the back of the ship, far enough away that they'd never be able to see us.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:37 AM
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33. "(D)emocratic" (L)iars & (C)rooks
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 12:30 PM
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36. Now where did I hear the phrase "mission accomplished" before?
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 12:31 PM by Oak2004
Oh yeah.

They only wish their mission was accomplished. They may have the White House and Senate, but the Progressive Caucus is the largest in the House, and they can do nothing without them. And last I saw there was no popular support for the DLC, just an ever more organized, ever more politically savvy, netroots which has started to have a genuine impact on the outcome of primary races.

I guess it could be said that, yes, the DLC's mission is accomplished, except for a few pesky insurgents, deads-enders if you will, who might be causing trouble for another six days, six weeks, I doubt six months.

:)
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 01:08 PM
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39. Mission Accomplished ...
in recent memory means: we got torture on our side.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:16 PM
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43. In 2003 they mocked the anti-war protestors and mocked Kucinich and Dean
in an article called Good Night Vietnam.

Worth the read.

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=251439&kaid=131&subid=192
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:47 PM
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52. The moderate Republican wing of the Democratic party.
Well, if they've won than maybe the centrist wing of the Democratic party aka anti-labor, pro-corporate, social moderates who believe in channeling tax money to corporations through private help in the design of "government programs".

It's now the American Capitalist party versus the American Fascist party.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:48 PM
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58. The leader of the DLC is called a "CEO"?
I think that says a lot right there.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:05 AM
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62. The DLC can go to Hell
They spread their legs willingly for wall street and Bush during his eight years of war on the middle class.

Now the assholes are trying to take credit for Dean's genus and President Obama's peoples movement!?:eyes:


:puke:

The DLC should be cut out of the Democratic party It is a cancerous tumor that will kill us if left unchecked.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 03:35 PM
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64. Don't you mean "Go BACK to Hell"?
Clearly, that's where they originated from in the first place. :evilgrin:
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:49 AM
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63. Why is the "Pinky and the Brain" theme song playing in my head now?
And something about "rule the world"..?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 05:40 PM
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65. THE ONLY WAY our party will learn the necessary lesson...
...is if we progressives, liberals, and other scum
*DON'T* turn out and work on behalf of obvious DLC
candidates every two years.

So far, very few of us have been willing to exercise
that "nuclear option". And the DLC knows this and so
they keep handing us shit and telling us it's filet
mignon as they drift farther and farther into pro-
moting the exact same policies Republicans used to
promote several decades ago.

Me? I'm done. Obama was *NOT* my candidate but once
he was nominated, I worked very hard to support him
in the General Election because his election would
change America's history in some very important ways.
But I knew he'd be a very poor representative for my
issues. And now, history has been made and he has made
it clear through his appointments and policies that I
should sit down and shut up until I'm needed to re-elect
his friends in 2010 and he himself in 2012.

Sorry, Barrack. I'm done. You didn't appoint a single
progressive or liberal to your government so I will
return the favor and oppose in primaries all DLC
candidates. And if they're nominated anyway, then in
the General Election, I'll find someone besides a DLCer
to vote for. No support or vote for Obama. No support
or vote for John Lynch. No support or vote for Jeanne
Shaheen. Next time, let the DLCers empty their wallets
and wear out their shoe leather. (Paul Hodes? As far
as I know, he's representing me just fine so he'll
continue to get my support and my vote.)

It really is time for Liberals and Progressives to
stage a sit-down strike and show the DLC that we're
not to be ignored for 23 months out of every 24.

Tesha
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