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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 09:33 PM
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Since we now reject the following:
Principle I
Any person who commits an act which constitutes a crime under international law is responsible therefor and liable to punishment.

Principle II
The fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under international law.

Principle III
The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law.

Principle IV
The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.

Principle V
Any person charged with a crime under international law has the right to a fair trial on the facts and law.

Principle Vl
The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under; international law:

Crimes against peace:
Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances;
Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).

War crimes:
Violations of the laws or customs of war which include, but are not limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation to slave-labor or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory, murder or illtreatment of prisoners of war, of persons on the seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity.

Crimes against humanity:
Murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian population, or persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds, when such acts are done or such persecutions are carried on in execution of or in connection with any crime against peace or any war crime.

Principle VII
Complicity in the commission of a crime against peace, a war crime, or a crime against humanity as set forth in Principles VI is a crime under international law.
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should we rethink our treatment of the Nazis after the war? Were we unfair?
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 09:34 PM
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1. Didn't we just stay that old ex-Nazi retired autoworker from extradition?
Edited on Sat Apr-25-09 09:39 PM by Avalux
http://i.abcnews.com/US/wireStory?id=7332125

The Nazi-hunting Simon Wiesenthal Center said it was undeterred.

"We remain confident that John Demjanjuk will be deported and finally face the bar of justice for the unspeakable crimes he committed during World War II when he was a guard at the Sobibor death camp," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, Wiesenthal Center founder.

"His work at the Sobibor death camp was to push men, women and children into the gas chamber. He had no mercy, no pity and no remorse for the families whose lives he was destroying forever," Hier said.

Deborah Dwork, a professor of Holocaust history at Clark University in Worcester, Mass., said the Demjanjuk case illustrates that there is no statute of limitations on the crime of genocide.
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Torture is not genocide, but as a country, we must hold accountable those who perpetrate atrocities against human beings.

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:28 AM
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5. Only because he claimed he would croak in transit.
This was not an issue of guilt or innocence. And, our protection of Demjanjuk for the last 30 years or so is disgusting.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 09:37 PM
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2. Nope, we should hold those responsible for torture
responsible to the full limit of the law. No excuse for not doing it.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 10:04 PM
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3. I believe those in power say we should move on or forward.
I was wondering if we should issue an official apology for holding trials at Nuremberg and not moving moving forward.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 10:22 PM
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4. Agreed - That way we could at least avoid the crime of hypocrisy
Even as we turn a blind eye to real crimes.
A small victory but better than nothing
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:20 PM
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6. No that was a different time. Our morals have improved substantially since then.
:sarcasm:
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