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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 11:51 PM
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People that abuse animals and small creatures will abuse other people...
It's a lesson we have learned thru the years from the study of psychopaths. Nobody wants to say it out loud but George W Bush may be a psychopath? It has been documented from the time as a child when he would get all his friends together and they would tie firecrackers to small frogs and toss them into the air, just to watch the explosion and the blood. That may sound like trivial child play to some, but it was a precursor to his adulthood. Was he the leader then?

Also, we cannot forget that, as Governor of Texas, he executed more people than any other Governor, by far. And how he laughed in the face of the lady that got national attention as a Christian and asked George W Bush for leniency. She never got it.

Even as President, at his news conferences, he would try to belittle reporters with nicknames, as a means of control. He seemed to get sheer joy out of revenge. He was very joyful when he flew in onto the deck of the aircraft carrier, in full military regalia, to declare "mission accomplished" after Saddam Hussein was captured.

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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 12:05 AM
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1. From a Jungian perspective I'd say his warrior archetype is stuck on the sadist pole.
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 12:05 AM by PerfectSage
But the gods never gave him a victory and let him experience the masochist loser shadow aspect of his personality. :rofl:

I guess his daddy was the better man afterall.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 12:15 AM
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2. Lots Of Little Little Boys Blow Up Frogs And Insects
It's not right, but I don't think it's a reliable predictor of sociopathy. Harming mammals is pretty out there, though.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 12:30 AM
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5. I think you're right, in the sense that...
...not every little boy who blows up a frog, ends up being a sociopath.

However, there is a lot of research on serial killers--and one commonality found in nearly all of them who have
been researched--is that they abused animals as children.

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 06:55 AM
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11. Necessary, But Not Sufficient
That sounds right.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 01:20 AM
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8. I knew lots of little boys when I was one. None of them blew up frogs.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 01:41 AM
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9. Lots? Really?
I was a semi rural kid growing up on and around farms, and in swamp and woods country, and I only know a couple of boys who enjoyed hurting animals.

All of them were know for being bullies, especially when they got together in a group. None of them enjoyed hurting animal when they were alone just for the fun of it that I know of. It was something they did when they were together, goading each other.

I only know one of them now as an adult but he still has a mean bully streak in him. It didn't go away. And when he's around his friends he's still prone to doing stupid and mean stuff.

I'd say liking to torment animals as a child is not all that common, and it definitely would be a good predictor of future behavior.

Anyone who tormented animals alone, and enjoyed it, isn't just being a boy being mean to an animal. That really would be a future sociopath.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 06:06 AM
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10. If my little boys ever do that they'll find themselves in foster care.
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Jeep789 Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 12:20 AM
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3. I hate to even think about what Cheney and Rove
did to animals as kids.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 12:28 AM
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4. The question is...what happened to George?
Children who are abused--feel out of control with a ton of anger. So, they act out by powering up on
the only things that are more defenseless than themselves---other children and animals.

I think that entire family is a bunch of vile, dysfunctional abusers---who keep the cycle of abuse going.

We read so many articles about Republicans being convicted of child sex crimes. I think the entire
party is a bunch of abusers and also there is a contingent of codependents, who are likely abuse victims
themselves.

Torture, the murder of one million innocent Iraqi civilians, Katrina survivors not being helped for days,
our environment being destroyed, our food supply at risk because corporate profits are more important, etc.
Does anyone really think all of this is coincidence?

These people are ABUSERS.
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islandgirl808 Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 12:52 AM
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6. i think we have to look at his relationship with his parents
to answer that question. his father was rarely at home, mother was possibly very overbearing, perhaps the need to live up to or surpass his father's image, etc.

i googled "george bush father son relationship" and found this link: http://www.electhobie.com/BushFamilyPsychology.html

don't know if it's true or not, but very interesting (it's a crappy site with only text, but worth a read imo).

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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 07:17 AM
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16. Unresolved grief
Bush had a sister who passed on as a child. He was not allowed to grieve her passing. He was also a child at the time. The parents ignored it all, and played golf the next day.
I think this is the case with a lot of these people. Glenn Beck's mother committed suicide when he was a child, so did Karl Rove's. Unresolved grief and abandonment leads to a great deal of anger, and warped behaviour is a result.
Just my 2 cents.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 01:19 AM
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7. Why did we then take a psychopath and turn him into a buffoonish and cartoonish caricature?
Portraying Bush as a Chimp and as a joke, was that really the way to convince others that we truly believed that he was a seriously dangerous person to be in control of this nation? Do people really fear someone that they see portrayed as a goofy joke? I think it was counterproductive and wrong to do this with Bush, but I am betting it will happen again.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 07:00 AM
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12. My dear child, you are right
However, you should not think yourself above such things
We can all do anything
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 07:02 AM
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13. Remember how long the sociopath would study each case before signing the death warrant?
15 minutes.

Don
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 07:11 AM
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14. He mocked Karla Faye Tucker when she begged for her life
in 1998. She was a convicted murderer and born again Christian. There is no more serious duty assigned to the governor than reviewing executions. An official who mocks a prisoner who begs for her life is not fit to be in public office... he has the maturity of an adolescent.

That story was all over the place, and when I heard it I knew he was a total loser. I couldn't believe "born again" Christians would vote for him for president after he showed how little he values a human life.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 07:11 AM
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15. So scientific experimentation on animals for human progress
explains Guantanamo?
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 07:18 AM
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17. My dear child, what kind of knowledge do you want to learn...
If you are ignorant of the most important knowledge?
If only you would learn this.
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