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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 06:30 AM
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*WOW* check out the headline for the NYT obit on Bea Arthur
Bea Arthur, TV Battle-Ax, Dies at 86
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/26/arts/television/26arthur.html?_r=1&hp
Bea Arthur, who used her husky voice, commanding stature and flair for the comic jab to create two of the most endearing battle-axes in television history, Maude Findlay in the groundbreaking situation comedy Maude and Dorothy Zbornak in The Golden Girls, died Saturday at her home in Los Angeles.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 06:34 AM
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1. "A woman held to be antagonistic or over-bearing." Shows what the NYT thinks of independent, smart,
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 06:38 AM by WinkyDink
and funny women.
"A bit of a loud-mouth"??

Mr. Weber is likely too young to have seen her programs, and too misogynistic to appreciate them.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 07:29 AM
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3. Actually, the two characters were "battle-axey" and Mr Weber
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 07:30 AM by Obamanaut
is old enough to have seen them. The article in the link (of the OP) is favorable, and gives quite a nice profile of both characters.

http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Bruce-Weber/37119984/biography
<snip>
His first piece for the Times was a profile of Raymond Carver for the Sunday magazine in 1983...

edited to clarify
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 07:35 AM
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4. di dyou read the whole article? I found it to be quite positive toward her.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:05 AM
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15. Why don't you ask the OP what he/she meant, then, by stressing the TITLE?
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 09:05 AM by WinkyDink
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:04 AM
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18. just responding to your comments . . .
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 10:06 AM by DrDan
"Shows what the NYT thinks of independent, smart, and funny women. . . . Mr. Weber is likely too young to have seen her programs, and too misogynistic to appreciate them."
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 08:17 AM
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8. My child, that is exactly what independent women who claim to know everything are...
and it does make them absolutely hilarious.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:03 AM
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13. Thanks, Pops. I must be a laugh-riot, then.
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 09:19 AM by WinkyDink
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dem629 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 08:31 AM
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9. You clearly didn't read it, nor do you have any clue about Mr. Weber.
I guess your zeal to judge his age and gender overwhelmed any slight desire you might have for facts.

Oh well.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:04 AM
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14. Why don't you ask the OP what he/she meant, then, by stressing the TITLE?
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 09:06 AM by WinkyDink
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 06:38 AM
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2. She probably would love that label! One of my favority actors. :-)
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 07:35 AM
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5. "TV Battle-Ax". Those are the roles she most often relished...
Maude
Dorothy
The Fembot in that hilarious episode of "Futurama"

Given the quantifying word "TV" is in the line, it makes sense, stands out, and does not demean her as a person. Especially as the article goes on to compliment her.

I dare say she might have liked the phrase.

Though if anything, I might have written it as "Endearing TV Battle-Ax" - to help set her apart form generic battle-ax figures. Bea Arthur was a class act to be sure. As was Carroll O'Connor...
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 07:37 AM
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6. I think it was probably affectionate and ironic. /nt
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 08:13 AM
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7. I think the description of her Maude character is quite accurate and fair:
"An unabashed liberal, a bit of a loudmouth and a tough broad with a soft heart, she was, in the parlance of the time, a liberated woman, who sometimes got herself into trouble with boilerplate biases just the way her cultural opposite number, Archie Bunker, did."

I think the term "battle-ax" is used here with a bit of implied irony. As in, Maude was certainly a contentious soul, and so was Dorothy for that matter--but not a nasty one. Just one who stubbornly and loudly defended her beliefs--and was sometimes wrong about things.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 08:42 AM
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10. God will get him for that.
;-)

RIP
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 08:51 AM
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11. She would chuckle at that.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 08:58 AM
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12. She was great..


...and it was great seeing a strong, independent woman on tv in the 70s.

Maude was so cool!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:12 AM
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16. I THOUGHT the OP said, "WOW! Check out the headline...." AS IN: "HEADLINE".
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 09:14 AM by WinkyDink
As in:
http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&ned=us&cf=all&ncl=1341169259

Oh, wait; perhaps the OP meant, "Wow! What an awesomely complimentary headline!"
My mistake.

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:21 AM
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17. Well, look what Gawker is attributing to Gays:
**********QUOTE********
http://my.yahoo.com/

Bea Arthur, Beloved Gay Icon, 1922-2009 And Now She's Dead


.... Update: The cult of Saint Beatrice has begun. Gays are posting this blasphemous Virgin Dorothy mashup in her holy memory:



(Photo by AP/Wally Fong)

********UNQUOTE********
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:03 AM
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19. NYT: Bea Arthur, Star of Two TV Comedies, Dies at 86


Did they change it?

:shrug:
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:09 AM
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20. now, isn't that a prime example of misogyny?!!!
or am I wrong - but this just doesn't pass the smell test...

I've certainly learned a lot on DU over the years...
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:13 AM
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21. Don't ax em no questions, they won't tell you no lies
:thumbsdown:



Rest in Peace, Maude!! :loveya:
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:08 PM
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22. I use battle axe as a term of endearment to describe one of my grandmothers who
went through a lot in her life, worked from the time she was in her late teens until she was 80+. I love the term. I loved Maude. I certainly wasn't offended to see it in the title for Ms. Arthur's obit.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:58 PM
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23. The article is good, though the headline is hideous.
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 09:58 PM by Vidar
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