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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 08:51 AM
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Forty-five percent of Americans support "torture"
in some instances.

We are fucking doomed! Do these people not know what was done in their names? Our country is screwed.
We are a bunch of uneducated and sick assholes. Torture is OK under some circumstances?? And we are supposed to have "hope"??


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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 08:53 AM
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1. If anything it proves we're not a 'christian nation"
nowhere near it.
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:24 AM
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11. I am a Christian BUT I suspect that of the 45% who approve, about 80% call themselves Christian.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:31 AM
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22. Yep. Their version of Jesus gets crazier by the day.
A gun-toting, racist, woman-hating, capitalist, wealthy, torture-loving Jesus!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 08:53 AM
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2. Considering the amount of misinformation and the mindfucking we've been subjected to 45% is good
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 08:54 AM by KittyWampus
In fact it's a plurality.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 08:53 AM
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3. People follow the lead of the media.
And thus far, they have been promoting the idea that torture is OK *sometimes*.

It's disheartening to see such a large percentage. We have a lot of work to do, don't we?
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 08:54 AM
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4. Basically, half the population consists of brainwashed idiots.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 08:54 AM
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5. welcome to dumbfuckistan
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 08:55 AM
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6. I don't believe it..but I believe..
it's a great rationale. It's the people's fault there will be no in depth investigation, prosecution.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 08:57 AM
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7. Bingo !
I didn't catch who did the poll? Probably Wall Street Journal or some other Republican torture apologists?
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:03 AM
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8. We Americans are dumb, ignorant, and frightened.
As a result of the Great Decline, initiated by Reagan and taken to mind-numbing extremes by the breath-takingly awful george w bush, we've forgotten how to even be Americans. As long as we have our cell phones and our SUVs we're happy. Ignorance abounds. Lies are believed. Evil thrives.

I am so glad that the "prime time" of my life occurred before our country turned to crap. I feel very sorry for today's youngsters. What a sick, lost nation we are leaving them!
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:55 AM
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17. You forgot superstitious. nt
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:13 AM
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9. There is a lot of misinformation about what was actually done.
Limbaugh/Hannity et al. are pounding the message that the definition of "torture" has been expanded to nothing worse than putting someone into a room with a caterpillar.

They are trying to link this to the image of liberals as wimpy snowflakes who do not even want naughty children to be disciplined and cannot possibly be trusted to protect a country.

They are repeating that these techniques consisted of nothing worse than is done to soldiers at boot camp or volunteers at an Outward Bound retreat.

I just heard a 30-minute segment on Washington Journal in which the guest speaker described the construction of false, collapsing walls so that detainees being thrown into them would not be harmed at all. The callers were given the message that it takes an unusually HUMANE country to go to such lengths to prevent harm to prisoners.

Many reasonable people will be swayed by these types of arguments, if they are allowed to believe that this is the worst that was done. If they can be convinced that "tricky" but non-harmful interrogations will prevent another 9/11, then they will side with those justifying "strong tactics."

They have not heard the stories we see at DU. That is why the release of information is so important, and why the defenders of Bush and company are so nervous right now.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:23 AM
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10. The older generation also remembers WWII when our enemy and its combatants were clearly defined
You think we didn't scare the crap out of captured German officers? Oh yeah we did.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:25 AM
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12. important point.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:29 AM
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13. Through The Looking Glass...Our Media Culture...
There's been a major disconnect with the US and the rest of the world for decades. It's what I've termed the "American Myopia" where all we see and hear about the world is how it affects us. When two third world nations go to war, our corporate media never goes into the cultural or historical prespective, but only "how it affects us". A totally arrogant attitude, but one that has permeated American culture...teevee, movies, books...for decades. It was the "American myth" that became "America right or wrong" and was constantly fed to us for most of our lives with little notice...if anything we expected it. Rambo wouldn't have drawn billions in sales if he'd lost...John Wayne was idolized cause he shot first and rarely asked any questions.

Thus now when we have teevee shows like 24 and a media culture that glorified the military and guns. Ideals and debate never settle a problem like a good gunfight could. It's this mindset that we now view the world...and sadly, too many believed the movies and Clancy and Ann Rand novels to look at things in a realistic manner.
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newfie11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:43 AM
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14. I never saw the poll
If I missed it I am sure a great many others did to.

I don't believe the results at all.

I don't know anyone that supports torture.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:53 AM
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15. Look how many support the death penalty, too
We are a very barbaric country in many ways.
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:53 AM
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16. Which Fox News poll was this?
:crazy:
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:12 AM
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18. LIE. polls often are in the US. nt
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:21 AM
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19. Good point.
And the poll should be called for what it is - a clever piece of propaganda.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:25 AM
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20. What poll?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:27 AM
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21. It was mentioned on MSNBC this morning...
I was listening in the background and did not get the name of the poll or who did it. I was shocked at the numbers that approved.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:34 AM
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24. The reason I asked is that
the exact question asked is important, and the specifics of the numbers. 'Under some circumstances' is a pretty loaded phrase. Vauge.
But I know about hearing something on TV and being asked for a link! I hated to even ask! I'll check out msnbc and see if I can find details.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:32 AM
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23. I bet those geniuses are "pro-life" too.
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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:36 AM
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25. WWJW?
who would jesus waterboard?

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