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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:31 AM
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The Jordanian KIng is bitchslapping David Gregory
on torture. How the hell does Gregory ask anyone if the United States was engaged in torture?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:31 AM
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1. He's a smart guy and a major Star Trek fan. nt
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:34 AM
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3. No kidding?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:35 AM
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4. He was an extra in an episode of "Voyager." Really.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:39 AM
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7. Didn't he also go out into the public disguised so he could get a feel for the public sentiment?
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 09:39 AM by KittyWampus
I'm pretty sure that was him.

What an interesting figure.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:59 AM
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9. I didn't know that - cool
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:59 AM
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10. Kewl! Thanks for the pic, Captain Hilts.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:00 AM
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11. When he came to the WH right after Sept. 11th, I knew someone that worked at the WH
so I e-mailed her to make sure folks there knew he was a Trekker. With a new admin, you don't know what they might or might not know.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:56 AM
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16. FREAKING SWEET!!!!
<---------- also a Trek fan
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 05:46 PM
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21. LOL
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:34 AM
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2. Stretch Needs A Calendar...
His buddy georgie boooosh is no longer in power...we no longer live in a "post 9/11" world. Besides being a total tool and spewer of beltway "conventional wisdom", he's downright lazy...and here's yet another demonstration....and a reason I avoid the Sunday food fights. Nice music and warm temperatures...leave the lying, spinning and bullshit to others this morning...

:hi:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:38 AM
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6. True
but when a so called journalist asks someone if they believe the US was torturing given all the evidence available, that journalist has no right to be on national TV.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:12 AM
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13. I don't understand. why can't a journalist ask that question?
nt
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:14 AM
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14. Because the evidence is everywhere
That is no longer a question - it is a fact. Bushco tortured people.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:18 AM
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15. ok, now I understand , thanks
nt
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:36 AM
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5. He is brilliant! Its nice to know that we have two charismatic, pragmatic global leaders on the
world stage
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:43 AM
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8. star trek and spiderman fans..... :o)
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:24 PM
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18. Funny how there's no repeat of MTP on
GEM$NBC today. That Bslap must have hurt.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:05 AM
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12. Gregory: Can you defeat al-Quaida without using torture?
King of Jordan: <lots of words, boiled down to: YES>

Obviously, I'm paraphrasing, but this is pretty outrageous. Suggesting that torture is necessary, under any circumstance, is absurd.
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Chicago1 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:58 AM
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17. King Abdullah is one of my favorites
If he ever came to this country to run, he would win as a democrat.


PROSECUTE BUSH AND CHENEY!!!
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:40 PM
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19. i haven't watch much mtp since stretch took over
but saw a little of it today. is gregory immitating russert's hand gestures?

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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 05:37 PM
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20. Jordan participated in US rendition/torture program. Jordanian King thus
qualified to discuss the issue since his nation assisted the US in its rendition and torture program. And apparently was rewarded for it.

Renditions vs. Rights
Jordan's apparent willingness to participate in transfers of suspects trumps poor record on human rights
By Marina Walker Guevara

WASHINGTON — Jordan, according to a U.S. State Department request that Congress appropriate the country nearly $500 million in 2007 military aid, continues "to lead the way as a regional model for democracy, good governance, economic reform, and tolerance."

Jordan, according to the State Department's 2005 Country Report on Human Rights Practices, has police and security forces that "allegedly abused detainees during detention and interrogation and reportedly also used torture." The U.N. special rapporteur on torture said in June 2006 that torture is "systematically practiced" at prisons run by the Jordanian intelligence agency.

Jordan, according to Amnesty International, is a "key hub" in the United States' secret program of "extraordinary rendition," in which terrorism suspects are kidnapped and flown to secret prisons or to countries known for torture.

<snip>

ICIJ's database of U.S. military assistance, compiled from data obtained through Freedom of Information Act requests, shows that in the three years after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks Jordan received $2.7 billion in military aid from the U.S. government, a 170 percent increase from the roughly $1 billion it received in the three years prior to the attacks; it is now the fourth-largest recipient of U.S. military aid, after Israel, Egypt and Pakistan. Jordan was also one of the countries that the United States reimbursed, with little congressional oversight, for its help in Iraq and Afghanistan.

While some countries in the post-9/11 era have relied on high-paid lobbyists to secure American largesse, Jordan's close relationship with the United States on security issues has paid significant dividends. In a June 2005 visit to the constitutional monarchy, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said that the United States has "no better friend than Jordan."

Its loyalty in the war on terror continues to be generously compensated by U.S. taxpayers. As the State Department's own budget justification for 2007 aid to Jordan put it, "Jordan is on the forefront of the war on terrorism, providing intelligence, diplomatic, military and security cooperation to the United States and our allies in the region." http://projects.publicintegrity.org/militaryaid/report.aspx?aid=869


From Amnesty UK:

Jordan: Renditions - New report says Jordan is key hub in secret CIA programme
Posted: 24 July 2006

Country's notorious security agency's use of torture instrumental in 'war on terror'

Jordan is a key 'hub' in the USA's secret 'renditions' programme, said Amnesty International today (24 July), as it published a new report revealing the extent of illegal detention and torture in the country.

The 51-page report, 'Your confessions are ready for you to sign', describes the cases of dozens of individuals subjected to torture in Jordan, ten of whom appear to be rendition victims. These latter men had been taken to Jordan from a variety of countries - including Afghanistan, Pakistan, the USA and Indonesia - and were in several cases held and tortured for months before being further moved to places like Guantánamo Bay, the notorious 'Prison of Darkness'' in Afghanistan, and even apparently to totally secret 'black site' prisons. http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=17043


From Human Rights Watch:

From 2001 until at least 2004, Jordan's General Intelligence Department (GID) served as a proxy jailer for the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), holding prisoners that the CIA apparently wanted kept out of circulation, and later handing some of them back to the CIA. More than just warehousing these men, the GID interrogated them using methods that were even more brutal than those in which the CIA has been implicated to date. The prisoners were typically held for several months in GID custody-and in at least one case, for nearly two years. http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2008/04/07/double-jeopardy


Maher Arar, the Canadian citizen the US stopped during a layover at JFK airport and rendered to Syria for "interrogation," was first sent to Jordan and then handed over to Syria. http://www.amnesty.ca/human_rights_issues/maher_arar_overview.php

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