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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:23 PM
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Yet another fucked up freeper strategy -"Refer to the flu outbreak as Mexican Flu"
Refer to the flu outbreak as "Mexican Flu" or "Mexican Swine Flu"
self | ChiefJayStrongbow
Posted on April 26, 2009 10:11:43 AM EDT by ChiefJayStrongbow

.... we should be securing our southern border to stem the tide of potentially infected illegals (and we need to do it soon).
We need to start referring to the flu as "Mexican Flu" so that there is a public outcry to take the necessary steps to secure our southern border


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2238090/posts



The right wing has gone completely FUCKING NUTS. No sense wasting a good crisis if it can be used to build a fence. Viruses HATE chain link.
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dem629 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:25 PM
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1. Would there never be a time for closing the borders?
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 02:26 PM by dem629
What's your opinion?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:29 PM
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4. Makes little difference..
we can say it's closed, and people will still make their way here..

It makes more sense to take precautions on both sides, and to share information.:)
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dem629 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:31 PM
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7. I don't mean just the southern border.
I know people will always break the law. That's something we should be working on anyway.

I'm wondering if anyone thinks there would ever be a time to restrict travel into and out of the US. And if we did that, there would certainly be a need to step up some kind of security along the southern border.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:26 PM
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2. Isn't it odd how it was referred to as the Spanish flu last time?
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 02:26 PM by originalpckelly
I want you to think about that. You'll blame it on the Mexicans, all the racist hatemongerers in our society will say it's because of the Mexicans, and they'll get the most irrational of us to hate them. Then the aliens will come on down and show us that we're really bees.

I'm the scout for first contact, and I'm also the same species for you. What does that mean? The aliens are a more advanced us.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:01 PM
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15. see post below and link
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:27 PM
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3. I figured it would be called the Mexican Flu anyhow.
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 03:15 PM by NutmegYankee
But a Fence! It's going to spread through International Trade and Travel before some sick guy swims across a river. Even then, he's going to be hiding from others. Airplanes and airports on the other hand...



To note: Previous Flu outbreaks have been known as Russian, Hong Kong, and Spanish. Hence, I figure this one will get that moniker anyhow.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:29 PM
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5. it is usually named for where it originated.. Mexico.. apparently, not spain
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:30 PM
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6. How do freepers reconcile their hatred of immigrants with their love of cheap labor? eom
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:33 PM
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9. By insisting
that they themselves be paid less-than-minimum wage and receive no additional benefits.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:19 PM
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32. And voting for candidates who will ensure that comes to pass.
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:32 PM
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8. From the copied text in the OP "self | ChiefJayStrongbow " ??
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dem629 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:36 PM
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10. If you think THAT's crazy, check out this wacko reply in that thread...
from someone going by the handle "Quix":

The oligarchy

would be more accurately assigned responsibility and the label

You know . . . the same group bringing us . . .

Scuba Teddy
Puhlousey
Burpa Murtha
Reedy Reid
The Klintoons
His Supreme Dishonor, Rabbit Runner Carter
Brezenski
Kissenger
Colin Powell
Bush Sr
Jihadis

and now . . .

Traitor In Chief OThuga and a cast of 10s of millions.

and now . . . designer flu from their labs to neighborhoods you!

Gotta get that population down to 200 million, you understand. Gotta save the elites, their slaves and the planet from the rest of us. The ETs have decreed it.

Sweet, aint it. So touching, their thoughtfulness about the planet and all . . . and for the children.
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:18 PM
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21. Definitely one of the nuttier ones.
*
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adiabatic Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:14 PM
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30. With a few minor changes that post would be indistinguishable from many on DU
...
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jules4truth Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:52 PM
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11. Anyone find the rapid spread a bit odd?
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 02:52 PM by jules4truth
Blaming it on the Mexicans is totally bogus for a whole bunch of reasons.

I know conspiracy speculation in the general discussion area will probably catch some flack, but isn't anyone even a bit curious about how this disease spread to so many locations in such a rapid way?

I'm not going to speculate about it, but it seems odd. Keep in mind how much the pharmaceutical companies made on Tamiflu when the whole bird flu hype came and went.
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dem629 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:55 PM
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13. No.
Not when someone can travel anywhere in the same hemisphere in a matter of a few hours. (Unless the airlines lose your luggage, in which case it might slow you down.)
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:09 PM
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19. Not with modern transportation. n/t
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Jim Pivonka Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:25 PM
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23. Baxter stands to make $ Billions on this one AND....
From CLG
CLG: Baxter working on vaccine to stop swine flu, though admitted sending live pandemic flu viruses to subcontractor By Lori Price 26 Apr 2009 The OMFG moment of the century. Illinois-based Baxter working on vaccine to 'stop' swine flu outbreak in Mexico 25 Apr 2009. But, looky here! Baxter admits sending live avian flu viruses to subcontractor --People familiar with biosecurity rules are dismayed by evidence that human H3N2 and avian H5N1 viruses somehow co-mingled in the Orth-Donau facility. 27 Feb 2009 Is Baxter International taking a page from the Blackwater playbook? Just as Blackwater/Xe keep on killing to justify their multi-billion dollar contracts to provide 'security' in Iraq and Afghanistan, Baxter International is poised to make *billions* to vaccinate people against their pandemic.

http://www.legitgov.org/baxter_flu_vaccine_260409.html

For 8 years of "flu oddities" coverage by CLG see Flu Kills The Torture Memos By Lori Price, www.legitgov.org
http://www.legitgov.org/flu_kills_torture_memos_260409.html
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mshasta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:07 PM
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38. look a this news
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 10:07 PM by mshasta

http://www.wgem.com/global/story.asp?s=10233491

CAFO fire kills 11,000 pigs

LITTLETON, Ill. (WGEM) -- An estimated 11,000 animals are believed to have been killed Wednesday in what is considered a multi-million dollar loss at a hog confinement fire in Schuyler County.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:53 PM
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12. Well on the bright side
gauze fences are much cheaper to build

:evilgrin:
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 02:59 PM
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14. actually the Spanish flu of 1918
probably originated in Haskell County, Kansas and killed 20 to 100 million people were killed worldwide.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:35 PM
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40. However, the media hype about the flu came from Spain when the virus reached there.
Here and in Canada, Australia and most of Europe, the press was under strict censorship on account of WWI.

Spain was not a combatant in WWI, and it's papers had stories constantly on that terrible strain of flu.

It must have seemed that the flu came from there under the wartime regs.
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Jim Pivonka Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:01 PM
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16. Refer to the hybrid flu as the Fort Detrick flu
It's the Fort Detrick Flu

Fort Detrick disease samples may be missing --CID has been investigating USAMRIID since at least early February. 22 Apr 2009 Army criminal investigators are looking into the possibility that disease samples are missing from biolabs at Fort Detrick. As first reported in today's edition of The Frederick News-Post, the investigators are from the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Division unit at Fort Meade. Chad Jones, spokesman for Fort Meade, said CID is investigating the possibility of missing virus samples from the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases. CID is responsible for investigating crimes where the Army is, or may be, a party of interest, according to the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command website. USAMRIID is the Army's top biodefense lab, where researchers study pathogens including Ebola, anthrax and plague.
http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=89293
http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/opinion/display_columnist.htm?StoryID=89276
http://www.cid.army.mil/
http://www.usamriid.army.mil/
http://www.legitgov.org/flu_oddities.html

'Agents are looking for what may have gone missing between 1987 and 2008.' Cold comfort By Katherine Heerbrandt 22 Apr 2009 The Criminal Investigation Division at Fort Meade has been investigating USAMRIID at Fort Detrick since at least early February. Meade's CID pursues investigations of serious crimes and sensitive subjects of concern to the Army at regional bases like Detrick, which has no internal investigative arm. A News-Post story in February reported that USAMRIID was shutting down most of its bioresearch while it tried to match its inventory to its records, citing an "overage" of BSAT, biological select agents and toxins. Meade's CID, however, isn't concerned with overstock. Instead, agents are looking for what may have gone missing between 1987 and 2008.
http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/opinion/display_columnist.htm?StoryID=89276

Outbreak in Mexico, U.S. tied to new swine flu --Source of unique virus a mystery; CDC expects more cases 24 Apr 2009 The unique strain of swine flu found in seven people in California and Texas has been connected to the deadly flu that has broken out in Mexico, killing as many as 61 people. The strain has never been seen before and is raising fears of a possible pandemic across North America. The World Health Organization said the virus that killed at least 12 of the victims in Mexico had the same genetic structure as an outbreak discovered in California. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30386163/ & http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30373191/

Navy Experimenting With Flu at Mexican Border --Mexico Shuts Schools Amid Deadly Flu Outbreak 25 Apr 2009 Mexican officials, scrambling to control a swine flu outbreak that has killed at least 16 people and possibly dozens more in recent weeks... The unusual strain this year was noticed, said Dr. Anne Schuchat , only because the agency was trying out a new diagnostic test at a Navy laboratory and doing more testing than usual through a new Border Infectious Disease Surveillance Project along the Mexican border. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/25/world/americas/25mexico.html and http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol9no1/pdfs/02-0047.pdf

U.S. May Expand Military Role in Mexico --'Anti-Drug' Effort Could Send National Guard to U.S.-Mexico Border 24 Apr 2009 The Pentagon and Homeland Security Department are developing contingency plans to send National Guard troops to the U.S.-Mexican border under a $350 million initiative that would expand the U.S. military's role . . . according to Obama administration officials. The circumstances under which the troops could be deployed have not been determined, the officials said. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/24/AR2009042402222.html

Mexico City suspends school over flu epidemic 24 Apr 2009 Mexico City has suspended classes at schools and universities to contain what could be a new flu strain. Health Secretary Jose Cordova says private and public schools in this metropolis of 20 million have been ordered to remain closed Friday. The measure could be extended in coming days. Cordova says the flu is a "new, different strain that can attack anyone." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2009/04/24/international/i065148D07.DTL

'Laboratory testing showed that the virus does not match any known flu strains.' In California and Texas, 5 New Swine Flu Cases 24 Apr 2009 Government scientists have identified five more people who have been infected with swine flu, apparently confirming suspicions that the unusual strain of the respiratory infection is spreading from person to person, federal health officials said yesterday. Three new cases were found in California and two in Texas, bringing the total number of confirmed cases to seven, officials at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta said... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/23/AR2009042304116.html

Officials said there was no reason for alarm despite the growing number of cases, but they urged doctors to be on the look-out for more cases and said they were intensifying their efforts. They have also taken preliminary steps to create a vaccine against the virus if necessary.

"We don't think this is time for major concern around the country," Anne Schuchat, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, told reporters in a telephone briefing.
"We are taking steps to know more and stay on top of the situation,"

"We believe at this point that human-to-human spread is occurring. That's unusual. We don't know how widely it is spreading,"

"The good news is all seven of these patients have recovered," she said. The virus appears to be resistant to two drugs normally used to treat the flu, but two others appear to be effective against it.

Genetic analysis of the virus indicates it is highly unusual: It is a hybrid that resulted from a combination of four different viruses -- one that typically infects people, one that originated in North American birds and two from pigs in Europe and Asia.

"This combination has not been recognized before in the U.S. or elsewhere," Schuchat said.


A Fort Detrick cocktail? We've already had one rogue out of our biowarfare establishment. How many more are there?
http://www.fredericknewspost.com/ivins
http://www.fredericknewspost.com/breach


Links and (most) text summaries are from Lori Price, CLG: http://www.legitgov.org/
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pink-o Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:03 PM
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17. It was just a matter of time. You could smell the racism in the MSM reporting.
Leading the horses to water, as always.

When this flu could've broken out anywhere, because this is the real cause: humans keep pigs too close together on the Factory Farm, so that they can make as much money in Pork Products as they possibly can. Animals this close together get sick, so the Factory Farmers pump 'em up with anti-biotics, which end up in the water supply, as well as in our systems when we eat the pork. Viruses gain resistance and survive, so stronger anti-biotics are needed, creating a vicious cycle.

It's absolutely Darwinian. Survival of the fittest virus. Did it ever occur to us maybe we shouldn't be farming pigs (and chickens) like this? That not only is it cruel to the animal, but harmful to ourselves as well??
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:06 PM
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18. Shit. This is NOT a political problem.
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 03:07 PM by Avalux
If these dumbass Pukes weren't scientifically ignorant, they'd know viruses don't grow legs and walk across the border. This virus got on planes.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:00 PM
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27. it's documented that migrating birds infected by farms carry it when they migrate..
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Jim Pivonka Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:17 PM
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20. Obama's Mexican Arcaeology host died of flu
According to this the Mexican archeologist who escorted President Obama at the Museum of Archaeology (where I saw Bridget Bardot being escorted on a tour in 71) died the next day of this flu.

Wait! The flu is reported to have been already been running in Mexico City, for 3 days. This is NOT a virus which escaped during an attempt on the President's life, leaving him mysteriously unharmed but infecting the local population, and spreading througout the world.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:57 PM
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25. 2 Children in san diego ca diagnosed with it 3- 9-09
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 03:58 PM by sam sarrha
maybe their government has been covering this up.. hope'n for the best..
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 05:55 PM
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35. Other reports indicate Felipe Solis died of a heart attack
:tinfoilhat: off, for now, at any rate.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:18 PM
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22. The RW is stupid and become smaller by the day....don't let them turn this into a political issue
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:30 PM
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24. The xenophobic assholes will probably make this one stick
but "combo flu" is more accurate since 3 species are represented in its genome.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 05:31 PM
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34.  The fact that Baxter mixed and sent the deadly H5N1 virus with a mix of H3N2 to 18 labs world >link
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 05:32 PM by sam sarrha
wide is very disturbing.. the trail and sequence of events will tell a lot, we need a time line..!!!

http://www.treehuggersofamerica.org/Live_Bird_Flu_Virus.php
The contaminated product, a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and unlabelled H5N1 viruses, was supplied to an Austrian research company. The Austrian firm, Avir Green Hills Biotechnology, then sent portions of it to sub-contractors in the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany. The contamination incident, which is being investigated by the four European countries, came to light when the subcontractor in the Czech Republic inoculated ferrets with the product and they died. Ferrets shouldn't die from exposure to human H3N2 flu viruses.


SAME STORY... BUT WITH A DATE...Last Updated: 27th February 2009, 3:26pm =FIRST DIAGNOSIS OF MEXICAN FLU WAS 4-9-09
When was the "accident"...

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html

this is pretty strange and disturbing.. BAXTER sent this live virus in vacines to 18 labs around the world. apparently the people who got it didnt know it was "ALIVE"

http://www.naturalnews.com/025760.html
"Baxter International Inc. in Austria 'unintentionally contaminated samples with the bird flu virus that were used in laboratories in 3 neighbouring countries, raising concern about the potential spread of the deadly disease'. Austria, Germany, Slowenia and the Czech Republic - these are the countries in which labs were hit with dangerous viruses. Not by bioterrorist commandos, but by Baxter.

http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2009/03/07/live-avian-flu-virus-placed-in-baxter-vaccine-materials-sent-to-18-countries/
While H5N1 doesnt easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people. That mixing process, called reassortment, is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created. There is no suggestion that happened because of this accident, however. We have no evidence of any reassortment, that any reassortment may have occurred, said Andraghetti.The fact that Baxter mixed the deadly H5N1 virus with a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses is the smoking gun. The H5N1 virus on its own has killed hundreds of people, but it is less airborne and more restricted in the ease with which it can spread. However, when combined with seasonal flu viruses, which as everyone knows are super-airborne and easily spread, the effect is a potent, super-airbone, super deadly biological weapon.

http://worldgenocidewatch.blogspot.com/2009/03/live-avian-flu-virus-placed-in-baxter.html
Spreading bird flu would create an instantaneous surge of demand for bird flu vaccines. The profits that vaccine companies such as Baxter International could reap out of such a panic are astronomical.
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mshasta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 10:53 PM
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39. ...baxter is going to make billions from the mexicans
they have report a grow from $429 million to $516 million...and their stock is at $48.07 ...lets see how much will be at the end of the month.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:59 PM
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26. And what do we do about this assholes kid who went to Cancun?
:shrug:
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:07 PM
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28. They already spew their xenophobic tirades by calling the "illegals" 'swine'
so one would think that they would be just fine with the current name...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:08 PM
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29. They don't want it named
after them?
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:17 PM
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31. Yeah, and Native Americans can call syphillis and smallpox the white asshole's disease.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:19 PM
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33. It's the Kiwi Flu!
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drchoice22 Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 08:45 PM
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36. Apparently nobody wants to waste a good emergency
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 08:53 PM
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37. I visit the city-data boards and I just saw a thread that called it the "Mexican Swine Flu"
I responded by saying that I didn't realize they were calling it that.
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