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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 06:33 PM
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"75% of deaths from these cancers could be prevented w adequate intake of vitamin D3 & calcium" - x
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 06:35 PM by tiptoe
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 06:43 PM
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1. Based on a theoretical model they created - has it even been peer reviewed?
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 06:55 PM
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2. "Annals of Epidemiology is a peer reviewed, internat'l journal devoted to epidemiologic research...
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 09:21 PM
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4. kick! nt
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 06:55 PM
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3. They don't need peer review, they have a website! If it's on the internet, it must be true!
:crazy:
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:03 PM
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5.  #2 posted at same time as #3. nt
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 11:23 PM by tiptoe
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Jim Pivonka Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 09:26 AM
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8. Do you consider content before commenting on it?
The Annals of Epidemiology is a peer reviewed journal, published by one of the premier scientific publishers, Elsevier.

It is sponsored by the American College of Epidemiology. The editor is a professor of medicine at Emory University.

Anti intellectualism, under the guise of pseudo skepticisn, is an inappropriate and unpleasant when coming from would be liberals and Democrats as when propagated by the religious right and conservative republicans.

But here it is - in the form of "n/t" comments with deliberately misleading, disinformational subject heads. My considered judgement is that such "discourse" is disgraceful. Jim P.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 12:13 AM
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6. Woo Woo!!! Woo Woo!!!
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 12:45 AM
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7. It's the Vitamin D Scam, as posted in the original posting.
Someone is trying to scare us again. This time they want us to buy their "super Vitamin D, Revision 3" and their testing kits. Big Pharma may be big criminals, but Big Natural Vitamins are a mob of little criminals. It's Copper Bracelet Time again!

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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 09:32 AM
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9. YEAP, they're out to GET YA!!!
Edited on Mon Apr-27-09 09:35 AM by cbc5g
RUN FOR THA HILLS AND GET YOUR TIN FOIL CAPS!

But please take some vitamin D or at least let some skin show while you are at it. You really do need ample doses of vitamin D, like we evolved to produce in large doses from sunlight.


I didn't know BIG NATURAL VITAMINS had a patent on sunlight? who woulda thought.
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Jim Pivonka Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 09:56 AM
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11. Nice recap! Thanks
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 03:35 PM
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13. C'mon, you know it's the next bullshit vitamin scam.
It used to be megadoses of Vitamin C. Before that there was chlorophyll. It's just a low-level scam run by someone making "vitamins" in his kitchen with sugar and oatmeal. Like the "clean out your colon or die" scams on late-night infomercials.
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Jim Pivonka Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 09:54 AM
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10. Do some research on current medical judgement on Vitamin D
The knowledge we fear is a weapon to be used against us.

When presented with information, it is not generally the best policy to regard it as a ploy to scare us. We are too easily frightened, if information can scare us.

On the other hand, if information about nutrition can improve health without recourse to the administration of drugs and expensive testing and institutionalization in hospitals - who is threatened? It is not you, Tom Reed, or me. It is the sellers of these drugs and services who stand to gain from our poor dietary habits and ignorance of nutrition.

I agree that much of what passes for information in the nutrtional supplement and vitamin industry is BS and worse. It all has to be evaluated very critically. On the other hand there are a few "fads" which are based upon sound research that has not yet received the attention it deserves by physicians, the media, or the public. I'd list magnesium, vitamin D3, and slow release Niacin (inositol hexanicotinate) as the top three. Do your own research, and do NOT use or trust supplementation industry research when you do.

Tom, I'd suggest you do some research on current medical judgement on the extent of Vitamin D deficiency in populations across the world. My research persuades me there is a growing conscensus that Vitamin D deficiency is a serious health problem, and that supplementation is appropriate - in cases where people are unwilling or unable to get the exposure to sunlight that enables the body to produce the vitamin D they need.

This would include older people, people who have had certain kinds of skin cancer and people who have been frightened by the "wear a hat when you go outdoors" crowd. (Talk about fear mongers - there is a good example.)

Supplementation is remarkably cheap - vitaming D, in the D3 form is inexpensive and readily available. Check your local Walgreens or Walmart for price, neither of those corporations are building their balance sheets on Vitamin D sales.

Until we start getting out and getting some sun, we'd better get it through supplements - we definitely need it, and a lot of us do not get enough of it.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:27 AM
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12. Jim vit D supplementation in diet is a standard recommendation.
2000 IU VitD daily is the current. NOthing controverisal in that.

>>the "wear a hat when you go outdoors" crowd. <<

:rofl:
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