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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:10 PM
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Mel Gibson said his wife can't go to heaven? Unbelievable.
He is really a piece of work. Okay, hey, I know old time Southern Baptists (which I used to be but recovering now)...say Catholics and Jews won't go to heaven. But Mel said his wife can't go to heaven because she is Episcopalian? At least that is how I read it in this Salon article.

Mel Gibson's Family Values

April 26, 2009 | Holy Week ended with a big bang in the conservative Catholic community. Robyn Moore, Mel Gibson’s wife of 28 years and mother of their seven children, filed for divorce in Los Angeles. With no prenuptial agreement, she is likely to get a settlement worth somewhere around half a billion dollars. Seems like a small price for 28 years of living with Mad Max and his homophobia, anti-Semitism and ultra-orthodox Catholicism.

In a joint statement, the couple acknowledge that they separated in August 2006 shortly after Gibson was arrested for drunk driving. When he was arrested Gibson publicly humiliated his family by engaging in a drunken tirade claiming that the Jews started all the wars in the world and asking a female police sergeant who was filming the event, "What are you looking at, sugar tits."



Reuters/Fred Prouser
Mel Gibson and his wife, Robyn, arrive at the Academy Awards in 1997.


Why is it that these right-wing family-values guys are always the worst sinners? Newt Gingrich, Ted Haggard, Larry Craig and now Mel Gibson. Gibson was quoted in the Observer in 2000 as having said, "There is nothing more important than your family. If you ruin that part of your life, what’s left? Work? Money? Screwing around? I see a lot of people living like that tell themselves they’re having a good time, but if you look under the surface you see lots of corpses masquerading as human beings." And speaking of corpses, Gibson has an odd view of who is going to heaven and who is not. His wife, for example, is not, in the Gospel according to Mel. He acknowledges that she is "a saint, she’s a much better person than I am," but rules are rules. She is, he notes, "like, Episcopalian, Church of England. She prays, she believes in God, knows Jesus, she believes in all that stuff, but that's not good enough. And it’s just not fair if she doesn't make it," laments Mel, "but that’s a pronouncement from the chair. I go with it."

In case you don’t get the reference, the chair is the throne of St. Peter. When popes issue their very rare infallible teachings, they are said to do so "ex cathedra," from the chair. Gibson falsely believes some pope infallibly declared that only Catholics go to heaven.


I have lost all patience with religious bigots. We left our Southern Baptist Church over the Iraq War, but we never were really good enough for them.

I see relatives who still attend that church in various areas in Central Florida. They are so stuck on believing the Bible is literal, believing what is said from the pulpit instead of doing their own thinking....they find us hard to understand. There is no common ground anymore at all.

Gibson's wife was a saint, truly, for putting up with that so many years.

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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:12 PM
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1. And, being and adulterer, neither will he.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:17 PM
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4. Heaven must be an awfully lonely place ... nobody ever goes there.
:shrug:
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:29 PM
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9. No doubt dude
Who would want to go to their Heaven?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 06:51 PM
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52. Haha!
Maybe it's a conspiracy? :shrug:
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 05:06 PM
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40. Oh, no, God forgives adultery. But pray in the wrong church and it's *WHAMMO* Hell time for you!
Sorry Robyn. Enjoy your fairly earned billions on Earth. Apparently you're gonna burn in hell along Eleanor Roosevelt, Martin Luther King, Reinhold Niebuhr, and Aung San Suu Kyi.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:15 PM
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2. He'll go to heaven?
I think not.

It has to do with purity of heart, which he lacks.

:eyes:
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 02:05 AM
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18. Mel's probably not so sure he'll make it either
Maybe that's why he made "The Passion"? He thought he would score some brownie points with JC and God. :shrug:
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:16 PM
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3. but a mysogynist, racist, anti-semitic womanizer gets in?
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:18 PM
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5. Hmm... half a billion dollars, or a pre-nup promise of eternal heaven?
I'll take the cash up front, sucker.
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dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:22 PM
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6. He must have flunked catechism class -- that's not correct
The Catholic Church's position on non-Catholics is that, sadly, they have never received the Good News and cannot be blamed. So if they're good, maybe they can come in the side door of heaven.

Now myself: as an ex-Catholic there's no excuse for me -- I go straight to Sizzletown. :D
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:53 PM
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13. Meet you there!
I'll bring the beer if you bring the music.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 01:52 AM
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15. I'll bring the earplugs.
I see that my eternity in Hell is going to be noisy neighbors.
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 02:07 AM
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19. When Hendrix starts his daily concert...
...you just may need them after a few millennia.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 02:43 AM
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20. Well, Hendrix.
Now I'm imagining Hell as Woodstock. Soaking wet rain, parching heat, food stands set up in reeking cow patty pastures, mud (hopefully) up to your knees as you wade to the port a potties, and stoned crazy people wandering around naked at dawn with full erections.

But still, there was that music.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 05:03 PM
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39. actually, that's not quite true, either
the Catholic Church, post-Vatican II, recognizes Protestants as 'brothers in christ' capable of receiving salvation from Jesus. They also express a special brotherhood for the other 'people of the book,' Jews and Muslims. All other religions have something in them that is 'good and holy' and that is recognized by Rome. Those people do have access to salvation through some magical process where they accept Jesus as their personal savior after death, because they do, so stop asking why.

the 'never heard of Jesus and therefore can get salvation from good works and a good heart' only applies to those who have not been taught about Jesus at all. but yeah, having received the sacrament and rejected Jesus, you are pretty much BBQ.
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dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 07:02 PM
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53. Well, I knew it was a bit more detailed
but basically as I recall: per the Catholic Church, an Episcopalian from birth to death just might make it thru the pearly gates; an Episcopalian converting to Catholicism has much better odds of making it thru the pearly gates; a Catholic converting to Episcopalianism is toast.

I like to think of holding the threat of hell over folks' heads as selling the sizzle.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 07:25 PM
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55. of course, Mel doesn't accept Vatican II as doctrine
So he's with those who follow (I think it is) Urban IV who said only those under the dominion of Rome have a shot. That was 12-something.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 09:03 PM
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74. well then here's Mad Max's current pope
http://popemichael.homestead.com/

this guy doesn't believe in Vatican 2 either and declared himself pope a while back. He and ol' Mel can be batshit crazy together.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 12:34 PM
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91. You sound like a pretty interesting person, so I'm reserving the smoking heap next to you.
:hi:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:24 PM
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7. Since he's no longer part of the Roman Catholic Church, then neither will he.
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 11:27 PM by pnwmom
According to his reasoning.

He's not an "ultra orthodox Catholic." He set up his own church on his own property, and affixed the name Catholic to it. It has no links to the Roman Catholic Church. Ironically, he has put himself out of the same Church that he claims is the only path to salvation.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:26 PM
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8. They twist things to fit their "life" model
In many cases, both fundies and the group of evangelicals that hang with them (not all evangelicals--many are progressive), change their entire life to fit that extreme view. Then they turn around and base everything on that insane model, and judge everyone who doesn't fit in by some perverted and warped standard, even if the person they're judging happens to be someone they've known for many years.

My fundie ex-friend was the same way. She rejected everything she knew and had known for the first 50 years of her life, only to go and marry this idiot she'd met over the internet but had never met. Slowly, though, I'd seen her changing, even if i was the only one to see it. It's incredible the acrobatics she performed to make the whole biblical crap sound rational. She was well educated, and I think I could have tolerated her even at the worst of it if she hadn't rejected evolution for the young earth creationism. How does a teacher of nearly thirty years reject something so fundamental as scientific theory?

Regardless, having seen the religious right whacko model in play close up was revelatory.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:29 PM
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10. With all the real issues in the world, it's amazing people still worry about
Edited on Sun Apr-26-09 11:31 PM by stopbush
the idiocies of religion.

Think of the pain on both sides of this particular story, and all over a bunch of make-believe bullshit.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:32 PM
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11. Like most fundies, he suffered a dislocated conscience early in life. nt
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 11:35 PM
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12. "they separated in August 2006 shortly after Gibson was arrested for drunk driving"

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

What a fucking sanctimonious assclown!!!
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 12:07 AM
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14. I believe the Bible says something about judging others...
Do not judge lest you be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. (NASB) Matthew 7:1-2

But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God. (NASB) Rom. 14:10

Note: I am not judging Mel Gibson. That's far beyond my job description. If there is indeed a higher power, I'll leave it to him/her.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 01:54 AM
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16. I'm Jewish! I can judge him!
We have a whole book of Judges.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 04:14 PM
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36. Where can I apply to be Jewish? I'm a flunked-out Christian (at age 5). :)
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 08:49 PM
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73. There is "judging" which is absolutely wrong . . .
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 08:50 PM by defendandprotect
sometimes a lot of prejudice in judging --

but it would be impossible not to judge to some degree -- we judge our own behavior,

naturally to some degree we have to judge the behavior of others.

When it comes to organized patriarchal religion, that certainly should be judged . . .

and laughed at much more often--!!!

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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 01:58 AM
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17. Even if his wife only gets half a billion of his money
I'd guess that she'll probably take it in lieu of a ticket to heaven issued by Mel Gibson.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 02:58 AM
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21. Geezus a half billion!
Thats just insane.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 03:10 AM
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22. Mel actually took it back later in an interview
However, this was only after he took a lot of bad press for it.

It's not that uncommon for Christians to be exclusionists, even among denominations. Hell, even some Southern Babtists don't believe other Babtists are going to make it in.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:32 AM
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25. Heh heh, glad to hear he took it back...even if after bad press.
He sounds like a real SOB
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 03:13 AM
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23. IMO the difference between the 2 toddlers who snack-trashed a neighbor's
house and Mel Gibson is that the 2 toddlers are likely redeemable.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 04:38 AM
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24. ahh ........ God's Love again.
Gibson is a horses ass in my book
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:37 AM
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26. Nothing Unbelievable About It.
That's his religion. He's entitled to it. I don't see anything alarming about his proclamation whatsoever since that is what his religion dictates, and what the rules for 'heaven' are for his religion.

Much ado about nothing, and I'm uncertain as to why your OP contains such unwarranted passion. I also am a bit befuddled by your calling him a religious bigot (unless you're referring to the jew tirade).
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MikeH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:10 AM
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61. So you think a person's religious beliefs are off limits to criticism?
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 01:39 AM by MikeH
Of course Mel Gibson, or anybody else, is certainly legally entitled to his religion and his beliefs, but that does not mean that Mel Gibson is not a bigot, or that he is not a narrow-minded, intolerant asshole, for holding the particular beliefs that he holds, and especially for not challenging, questioning, or reevaluating his beliefs.

The psychological mindset which leads Mel Gibson to believe what he believes without questioning is the same psychological mindset which leads others to unquestioningly follow orders to torture, or to carry out the "final solution".

There are consequences to a person's believing what he or she believes. As Voltaire http://thinkexist.com/quotation/as_long_as_people_believe_in_absurdities_they/186698.html">is reported to have said, “As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities”.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 09:31 PM
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75. Bravo . . . !!!


:)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:44 AM
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84. LOLOL
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 03:45 AM by Skittles
asshats like you I usually put on Ignore but I keep you around just for the sheer entertainment factor :rofl:
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:39 AM
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27. Godtarded piece of shit.....n/t
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flakey_foont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 02:57 PM
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28. oh, dear
poor woman. no Heaven for you!

But Mel has reservations up yonder, eh?
Just remember, Mel....

In heaven there is no beer
That's why we drink it here
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 03:03 PM
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29. neither will jew haters.
so that leaves mel out too.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 03:05 PM
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30. I don't think I would want to go to the type of "heaven" that Mel believes in.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 03:30 PM
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32. Heck, if Mel's there, that's enough reason to want to stay away.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 03:06 PM
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31. How can anyone believe anything religious is beyond me
I'm sure happy to know I won't be going where any of them religious assholes are going when I die. Hell I'm going to go one further and have my stinking ass cremated when I die cause who in their right mind thinks its ok to keep their dead body around taking up land space, again is beyond me.
peace
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 03:36 PM
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33. Mel is lucky he made all that money before everyone figured out
what a sick idiot he is. I love his willingness to believe he is going to heaven while his wife goes to hell. Hey, if the chair pronounces it, it must be true. He makes the case against organized religion quite well indeed.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 03:39 PM
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34. Sorry, Mel, the guy in charge of Heaven's guest list is named Moyshe Zuckerman.
I have it on very good authority.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 04:12 PM
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35. Believable!!!!!
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road2000 Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 04:18 PM
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37. Dickus Maximus n/t
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 04:52 PM
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38. If he's more Catholic than the Pope, he'd never have considered marrying an Episcopalian nt
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 07:25 PM
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56. Gibson calls himself "Catholic" but his "church" is a private chapel
and it is not affiliated with the Vatican. The chapel's "Reverend" Tourkom Saraydarian lists his own denomination as "Aquarian Education Group"

See http://sspx.agenda.tripod.com/id135.html
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 05:08 PM
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41. Another "good catholic" - him, Newt, Pat Buchanan nt
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 05:16 PM
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42. Maybe she got Purgatorio when they halved their assets
Truly, the rich are different from us.
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 05:18 PM
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43. Well, she won't have to deal with him in the afterlife, so that's a win.
But seriously, it really seems bizarre to me to suppose that your personality can somehow survive the death and decomposition of your brain.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 05:19 PM
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44. If he's going to be there I'd say she's probably quite relieved about it.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 05:30 PM
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45. Mel Gibson has been charged with the "Book of Life"...
for Pete's sake...where is the old "vengeful God", the one who smote the evil-doers on the spot...:D
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 05:33 PM
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46. He said in a mag interview once
that he'd like to eat a dog someday, because he liked trying different foods, and the idea of eating dog meat appealed to him.

Ever since then, I've hated him. What he believes with regards to heaven doesn't matter to me. He's shit.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 12:32 PM
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89. I've always hated him....
Now I hate him even more. I hope he ends up getting ripped to shreds by Pit Bull Terriers, German Shepards, Rottweillers, and Toy Poodles and his remains get thrown into a 6-foot deep pit filled in w/ dog feces.
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Aragorn Donating Member (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 06:24 PM
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47. it ain't even there
already. Jeez!
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 06:40 PM
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48. I hope robyn moore enjoys her half a billion
she's certainly earned it.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 06:41 PM
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49. She should be sainted for survivng 28 years with that asshole.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 06:42 PM
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50. Good - I can hang out with your wife in the after-life and she can tell me what a dickwad you are -
according to Mel, I won't be going to heaven either - I'm Jewish.


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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 06:46 PM
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51. Imagine Mel in Hell


You wanna get outta heah? You talk to me.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 07:04 PM
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54. Clue: nobody else is either. nt.
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 08:11 PM
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57. she'll probably go back to her native Australia with $500M which
is as close to heaven as you can get anyway !

A strange lot , the Gibsons. Mel's dad originally fled to Australia because he opposed the Vietnam War so he would seem to be a principled man, yet has some wacky religious views.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 08:57 PM
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58. $500,000,000.00!!! Wow. I'd laugh in front of him & tell her, Take it from him, 'Sugar Tits!'
I cannot believe he called a lady cop that, thus my reference. He is one scary mean man. I am glad the Jesus I trust in my soul has nothing to do with the kind of crassness Mel exhibits. To actually say your wife of 27 years is gonna go to hell, especially when she says she's Christian (if one believe only Christians go) is unbelievably judgmental.


JUDGE NOT, and he's judging her to hell... that's wicked! take the money and RUN! as the Steve Miller song says!
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 09:43 PM
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59. More proof that some people will marry anything as long as it's rich and famous.
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:20 PM
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68. 28 years ago he wasn't
rich and famous. His breakout film "Galipoli" was in 1981. His success was just starting.
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Aethertek Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:22 PM
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60. News?
Why do people seem so surprised when some religious idiot says something stupid.

Religion=WILLFUL IGNORANCE
Fine, humans fear death-woohoo surprise surprise, so they create these fairytales to comfort their minds.

What if the only way you can survive physical death is to hone & sharpen your intellect & more importantly your sense of self so that after the bodies passing your will & knowledge will continue to exist.
Of course if that is the case there will be billions of disappointed believers, oh wait they wont be disappointed as their minds will just come apart from the strain of it all.

Humans, god love em, cause nobody else will.

No Peace

Kevin~
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 09:50 AM
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62. Welcome to DU!
:dem:

-Laelth
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Aethertek Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:33 AM
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63. Thanks
, but have been here since its inception. Never used to post here, spent my time arguing with the freepers on other boards.
Just started to post here since the inauguration as I've noticed a surge of stupidity since then.
This was my sanctuary, it seems no longer like home.

Peace
Kevin~
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:47 PM
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64. Has anyone asked his wife about her opinion about his ultimate destination?
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dustbunnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:56 PM
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65. She stayed with him for close to 30 years. Her life philosophy must be similar to his.

The reasons they're splitting supposedly, are due to his extra-marital affair and public scenes. She may very well have supported his wacky religious platform all these years, so there's no reason to pity her.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 12:35 PM
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92. If she stayed with him for close to 30 years, hasn't she already been to Hell? n/t
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dustbunnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 12:42 PM
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94. She went willingly though, of her own volition. She loved this man for all his "foibles.".

There's no reason to believe she was some sort of abused, long-suffering wife. Gave birth to lots of kids, shared in the wealth all these years. People assume she didn't share his convictions, but there's no reason to believe that.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 12:53 PM
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95. She probably thought foibles were a foreign currency.
:evilgrin:
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dustbunnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 01:06 PM
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96. Hah-haha!! Maybe -

Or maybe she just got sick of him not keeping his foibles in his pants. :D
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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:01 PM
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66. So Mel got "soul" custody of God in the divorce
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dustbunnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:03 PM
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67. Hehehe! Good one! n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:26 PM
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69. Mel is in for one big surprise
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:53 AM
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82. No, he's not. He won't exist so he can't know he's wrong**nm
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:42 PM
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70. Mel is absolutely right on this one.
NOBODY can go to heaven- because it DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST.

i just wish that for once, all the religoids would get their collective head out of their collective ass, and start being a little more concerned about our species survival in the here and now, than the survival of a non-existent 'soul' in the pretend hereafter. :grr:
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Locrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:56 PM
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71. AMEN (pun intended)
"NOBODY can go to heaven- because it DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST."

F-ing mental disease is all this heaven/hell crap.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:12 PM
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76. Agree...and even sadder, if there was a "heaven" it would have been on this beautiful earth . ..
which has been systematically destroyed by patriarchy's war on nature --

and sometimes it looks like they felt compelled to destroy everything beautiful.

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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:48 PM
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77. and another thing- based on biblical and/or fundy descriptions of hell...
doesn't it seem as though petroleum is some kind of liquid evil oozing up from the depths of hell?

even john wayne apparently thought so:


(btw- all dressed in red, is he more reminiscent of satan or santa? and why is 'santa' an anagram of 'satan'?)

and yet- the fundie christian types seem to relish in drilling and drilling and drilling, and using internal combustion engines to harness the energy of hell-fire, - and not so interested in solar- which derives energy from the heavenly 'light of the world'...go figure :shrug:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:58 PM
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79. And perhaps all that "oil" was the earth's ballast . . . ????
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:00 AM
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80. there's not nearly enough of the stuff to make any kind of global difference.
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 12:00 AM by dysfunctional press
the amount of oil that we've extracted from not very deep at all into the earth(compared to it's radius) is dwarfed-squared by the amount of water in the oceans. there are far more and very real problems from the oil age to worry about, rather than the physical effects of extracting the petroleum from the ground.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:53 PM
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78. Haha, love that post.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 06:27 PM
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72. when God writes something down He's not fucking around
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:51 AM
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81. Guess what, Mel? Nobody goes to heaven and you're still an ass**nm
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DesertDiamond Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:33 AM
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83. The purpose of Nichiren Buddhism is world peace and happiness for all, not just Buddhists...
That's one of the reasons I love being a Buddhist. As a Christian, hearing that all non Christians would burn in hell was just too depressing.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:10 AM
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85. hey!!! I was just thinking how Buddhist philosophy teaches we create our lives here and now
that happiness comes from within, it's our responsibility to cultivate it, and that it ripples forth from us (since we and our environments are one).

So dangerous to live by principles that teach suffering now, and separation of "the wheat from the chaff" for the sake of an imaginary utopia later. What that kind of thinking does to the psyche....Ha, always seemed weird to me, religions that are ALL about judging, yet command us not to judge. Guess all the cognitive dissonance is how they fracture the mind so easily, as we see with Mel, judging up a shitstorm yet in the same breath, stumping for his own humble non-judgementalism.

:hi:
:7
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:12 AM
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86. years of celebrity warp the brain
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feslen Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 08:31 AM
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87. re: why are the religious and neo-cons most corrupt?
easy answer: because their "bible" and their "religion" (organized) gives them the easiest cop-out ever:
"confess their sins" to their mouthpiece of God--dick Cheney or a priest so they can go ahead and commit more sins. no matter how many they commit in their own warped mind they will go to their version of heaven!

if you think about it, sounds a lot like some other extremist point of view, doesn't?
I feel sad for those who truly believe in their religion and follow it without being fundamentally warped and corrupted; I wonder if they realize they are being duped? they should ask themselves, "How come their religious leaders are so wealthy when they themselves are poorer than dirt?" Scientology anyone? this is such an obviously fake religion, yet....hahahaha!


the Bible is full of shit, nothing but the greatest fiction story ever told. I love how religious zealots damned children's books like Harry Potter, when the bible itself is full of magical stories and witchcraft....

*I know, cause I studied the bible thoroughly going to a semi-religious school while growing up*


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dghll Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 11:01 AM
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88. pardon my ignorance, but can catholics get divorced?
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 12:37 PM
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93. I think if you want to get re-married in the Church, you have to get an annulment,
which you can do, even if you've been married for decades and have kids.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 01:19 PM
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97. Yes, they can go through the civil procedure.
But, if they only do that and do not have the marriage annulled, the Church still considers them to be married, which means if they remarry, the Church will not recognize the second marriage.

And, IMO, the whole "annullment" business has become a joke and a sham, with the Church YET AGAIN mitigating who receives God's grace and who doesn't. And Mel has one hell of a fucking nerve to take on that awesome responsibility of deciding who's worthy of heaven and who isn't.

I think a lot of folks who think their tickets are already punched for the Pearly Gates are going to be in for a really nasty surprise.
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 12:34 PM
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90. Yeah but she DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.....
WGAF = who gives a fuck
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