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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:45 AM
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Were you a little suspicious of the way 21 horses died in Florida?
Edited on Mon Apr-27-09 11:22 AM by kentuck
They were polo horses and they all just dropped dead. It was reported that someone had mixed some medicines or something accidentally and it was given the horses? Is there any more to this story? I'm putting on my tinfoil hat. :tinfoilhat: This story was out of Florida, as I recall - the same place that the anthrax originated.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:46 AM
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1. The story I read was that the pharmacy where the drug came from, made a mistake
they took full responsibility for it from what I could learn.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:47 AM
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3. Yes.
What city was that pharmacy in, do you recall
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:49 AM
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7. Ocala
and the horses died in Wellington
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DeadEyeDyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:00 AM
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10. But there is a warning here that we two legged animals
should follow. Always do a little investigation and check your own prescriptions. My Dad was nearly killed by a pharmacist who misread the MD's prescription by one letter. The resultant drug was killing him. My Mom did a little research and discovered it was the wrong drug.

From now on, I go to WebMD and chack what I am prescribed and insure it follows the symtoms I have. If the owner or vet woudl have does the same, we might have 21 more Mr. Eds running around.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 01:15 PM
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18. Absolutely - I was almost killed twice
I take an MAOI and have for a little over 20 years. There are various drug interactions with an MAOI that are extremely dangerous. I had been taking it for about 10 years when one time I picked up my prescription and when I got home and opened the bottle the pills were totally different, so I knew something was wrong. I looked them up in a PDR and identified them with the the photos and info stamped on them. Turned out it was another powerful anti-anxiety medication that if I had taken one of them could have killed me (an MAOI stays in your body for about 14 days).

A few months later I hurt my back, and my doctor prescribed a muscle relaxant for me over the phone (never saw him, just talked to him on the phone). Since my latest close call with meds I looked up these muscle relaxants he prescribed and found they were a dangerous conflict with my MAOI. I called the doctor and told him the muscle relaxant he prescribed contradicted my anti-anxiety meds and what should I do. He asked me what I was taking and I told him an MAOI, and he FREEEEEEAKED out!!! He actually yelled at ME why didn't I tell him I took an MAOI as if I had taken just one of those muscle relaxants I could have died. Well, duh, ya bozo, the fact that I take an MAOI is written in BIG BOLD letters on the front of my chart in his office, and had he actually looked at my chart before prescribing something for me this wouldn't be an issue. Keep in mind that back then only the major pharmacies had computer systems that could look up your prescription history so the pharmacy had no idea that I could have taken contradictory drugs that could kill me. Needless to say, I dropped that stupid doctor and never so much as spoke to him again, and this guy had been my doctor for nearly 20 years.

Moral of the story is, look up every drug you're prescribed not just because of pharmacy error but prescribing doctor error as well. If it's a drug you've never seen before, look at the photos and make sure the right pills were put in the bottle.


Incidently, in the horse situation in Florida, the pharmacy error was compounded by the fact that the particular drug is not sold in the US and the pharmacy had to mix it up themselves... MUCH greater margin of possible error in such a situation.



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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:47 AM
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2. You didn't even bother to google the story, did you?
Just came here full of hysteria. Go do your damn homework.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:48 AM
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5. Google is a conspiracy..
I try to stay away from it. You did not know that, did you? :-)
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:48 AM
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4. anthrax occurs naturally all over the world. It's a bacteria.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:48 AM
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6. no it's just a terrible accident Kentuck
it reminds me of that scene from It's a Wonderful Life when George as a child has to tell the pharmacist he mixed the medication wrong. The ponies dropped dead in the order they were given the doses-very sad but I don't think there's any tinfoil hats needed.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:51 AM
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8. Still investigating?
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:00 AM
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9. There's still some info at www.pbpost.com. Pharmacy in Ocala takes the blame....n/t
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:01 AM
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11. Here you go.
Edited on Mon Apr-27-09 11:01 AM by rcrush
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5189672/Polo-horses-may-have-been-poisoned.html

By Tom Leonard in New York
Last Updated: 6:38PM BST 20 Apr 2009

A horrified crowd at the International Polo Club Palm Beach in Wellington watched in silence on Sunday as vets tried desperately to save the animals after they collapsed or became dizzy as they were led out of their trailers.

The horses, all from the same Venezuelan-owned team and each worth around $100,000 (£69,000), died one after the other shortly before an important match in the US Open Polo Championship.

The team is owned by Victor Vargas, a Venezuelan businessman, close confidant of Hugo Chavez and one of the richest men in South America.




Or theres this one...
Army Biodefense Lab Shuts Down to Check If Anything Is Missing (from 2/2009)
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/02/10/army-biodefense-lab-shuts-down-to-check-if-anything-is-missing/

The biodefense lab that was associated with the anthrax mailings of 2001 is temporarily shutting down most research to allow officials to make a thorough accounting of every germ, virus, and poison that’s being stored at the facility. The lab, at Fort Detrick in Maryland, has come under intense scrutiny since the FBI accused researcher Bruce Ivins of sending the 2001 letters laced with anthrax. (Ivins killed himself while under investigation.) Now, officials want to comb through storage rooms and refrigerators to ensure that every dangerous agent is listed in the lab’s inventory. The suspension started Friday, and the tedious process of counting thousands of vials could take up to three months, institute spokeswoman Caree Vander Linden said .

The order to stop most work came after a spot check last month found 20 samples of Venezuelan equine encephalitis in a box of vials instead of the 16 that had been listed in the institute’s database , officials say. “I believe that the probability that there are additional vials of BSAT not captured in our … database is high,” Skvorak wrote in a memo to employees .

Researchers at the lab work with some of the most dangerous infectious diseases known, like anthrax and Ebola, but officials stressed that they do not know of any missing vials of lethal substances.

The lab could have lost track of some biological materials when it switched over to computerized record keeping in 2005, officials say. Counts could also have gone awry when researchers left the lab’s employment but their research materials weren’t reassigned to someone else. Such mundane errors in bookkeeping happen frequently in normal labs, but experts say they can’t be tolerated in a biodefense setting. The suspension will interrupt dozens of research projects at the institute, whose task is to develop vaccines, drugs and other measures to protect American troops from germ attacks and disease outbreaks. Ms. Vander Linden said some critical experiments involving animals — often used to test vaccines and drugs — would not be halted .

The suspension, which reportedly took researchers by surprise, has already caused some grumbling. Some lab workers have complained that the Army is trying to impose on biological research an inventory-control scheme developed for nuclear and chemical labs. They contend it’s a poor fit since a small amount of living material can be grown into a larger supply, making inventory reporting difficult and time-consuming. Brady acknowledged the challenge but said, “We have to do something. At the end of the day, we have to figure out the best way forward” .





Or...
Victor Vargas, 57 year-old owner of Venezuelan bank Banco Occidental de Descuento is infamous both for his lavish lifestyle and for his ties to Venezuela’s President, Hugo Chavez. He was born to powerful parents and then married young into an extremely rich Venezuelan family, through which he became related to Juan Carlos, the King of Spain. He was interviewed in the Wall Street Journal in January 2008 where he dropped this gem of a quote, “People write stories about me saying I have a Ferrari, a plane, a yacht. But it’s not true. I’ve got three planes, two yachts, six houses.” Nice.

It can at least be said that he has some sort of a heart, as onlookers reported that he had tears in his eyes and “held in his hands” as he watched so many of them sicken and die–although if we had just lost over $1.5 million (each of the 21 horses was worth around $100,000) we’d probably be crying too.

The horses, all from Vargas’ high-ranked Argentine polo team “Lechuza Caracas” started to get sick around 2:15 pm right before the match was scheduled to begin. Veterinarians on the polo ground said that the horses were starting to stumble and were having trouble breathing, until finally many of them collapsed despite the best efforts of vets and volunteers. None of the horses who fell ill survived. Vets on the scene said that the horses had suffered from fluid in the lungs and heart failure, and that the reaction was probably caused by a toxin in their food or bedding-the vets determined with certainty that it was not an infectious disease or anything that could have come from their origin in Venezuela. Palm Beach veterinarian Scott Swerdlin also dismissed the idea of intentional poisoning, saying there was “zero possibility” of that and calling the mere suggestion “very far-fetched.”


Just like in the GODFATHER???


Very Tin Foil hat like
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:18 AM
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13. Very far-fetched but not impossible..
Who delivered the mixtures? The pharmacy?
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:15 AM
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12. I was suspicious of those horses. They were obviously a little shifty looking & up to no good
:)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:19 AM
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14. Were they swarthy?
:-)
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:27 AM
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16. Nice Edit!
So, you caught that?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:28 AM
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17. Thanks to you!
:-)
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:20 AM
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15. They were up to no good....

'nuff said.
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