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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:47 AM
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Headline in Conway Daily Sun: Worried gun owners stock up. Fear is Obama will take weapons away
A piss poor written article with no facts to back it up, no mention that congress would determine whether or not guns would be taken away from anyone. Obviously the story is headlined to stir up controversy in Conway NH. Plus I know the writer...he's an idiot. Fell free to write the paper.

http://www.laconiadailysun.com/pdf/2009/4/27.pdf

I posted the entire story because they pull the paper unless you subscribe and there's no way in hell I'd pay for this rag.

CONWAY — North Conway gun dealer Chris Kanzler used to take phone calls every day from dis-tributors eager to push new stock. Now, desperate for ammo and a dwindling supply of fi rearms, he's dialing them- and getting voice mail.A consumer crush on so-called tactical weapons — tuned-down civilian model assault rifl es and home defense guns — followed the election, a sign gun owners fear the Obama administration will take their weapons away.

Worried gun owners have been great for busi-ness, spending big and driving up demand. In fact, it hasn't really let up as the crumbling economy saddles much of retail the industry with fear and headaches, dealers say.But now dealers and distributors are looking at their shelves and wondering, how do we get more guns and ammo? “Right up the distribution chain, these guys are shaking their heads, we don't know what's going on,” said Kanzler, who owns White Mountain Firearms.

Even Wal-Mart is running out of ammo

Unlike most retailers in the area, the problem is not getting people through the doors, it's getting product in the store.”The unique problem has some local machine shops running three shifts, churning out gun parts.

Tim Anderson, general manager of MacLean Precision, said gun parts are only a small part of the Madison shop's business, which is now machin-ing parts for prototype models that won't hit shelves for at least a year. So his shop isn't running hard and heavy with the gun craze.

But, he said, EMM Precision in East Conway has been cranking to keep up with demand from back-logged makers like Bushmaster.“They're out straight,” Anderson said of EMM. “You'd be surprised how many parts guns have.”Like the the guns, the ammo supply too appears spent.Ken Clark, who owns Riverside Arms in Tamworth, said he has always shied away from away ammo sales. “Walmart would undersell me,” he said.

But now, the Mega-retailer is phon-ing the little guys, looking for bullets.“That's when I knew it was pan-demic, and not just the little shops,” Kanzler said. Everything from small caliber .22s, popular commonly used for plinking, to assault rifl e ammo and primers are hard to get. Kanzler believes nearly fi nished weapons may be sitting on backorder, waiting for a final touch, perhaps a missing part from a machine shop, like a trigger.“Say it's a $700 gun, and you've got $698, and you're missing the $2 you need to ship it out the door,” he said.He said manufacturers have items on backorder in the tens of thousands.

Windham Maine-based Bushmas-ter, which specializes in assault-type weapons, is waiting to ship more than 100,000 back-ordered guns, he said. A Bushmaster spokesman did not return a phone call.“I wouldn't be surprised,” said Clark, who specializes in collectors' guns. He said gun-maker Ruger hadn't produced more than 6,000 in a single year of a model in ages. The day after the Obama election, the company took 6,000 orders in a one-day distributors' show, he said. Kanzler said he has no idea why production has failed to meet demand. Maybe producers held off on expan-sion in an uncertain economy.“Everybody seems to be caught of guard,” Kanzler said. “I'm flabber-gasted.”Clark said it's happened before, and the industry snapped back.“It's been proven before, with the Democrats in power the fi rst thing they start squawking about is gun control,” he said.

In 1994, he said primers flew off the shelves in response to anti-gun legis-lation. But stock recovered.“It caught up eventually,” he said.In the meantime, with gun buyers clamoring for product, it's going to cost.Last year Clark charged $835 for a Bushmaster. ”Now I'd charge $1,600 if I could get them,” he said.“If you don't have a gun and you want one, prepare to pay the price,” he said.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:49 AM
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1. BOOGA BOOGA!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:49 AM
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2. If they buy enough guns, Obama will need to make a second trip? n/t
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:50 AM
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3. Obama can remove this political issue by saying "I will veto any bill that renews AWB". n/t
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:57 AM
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6. And why would he?
When by doing nothing he stimulates the economy, keeps money flowing and manufacturing cranking?

He has bigger issues than paranoids' fantasies.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:03 AM
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9. Do you view people who support other civil rights as "paranoids' fantasies"? n/t
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:07 AM
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11. Let me say this,
Edited on Mon Apr-27-09 11:21 AM by RaleighNCDUer
NOBODY IS GOING TO TAKE YOUR FUCKING GUNS.

Nobody.

If you think they will, it is a paranoid fantasy.

EDIT: to remove unnecessarily demeaning language - it is not YOU I am attacking, but your unreasoning fear.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:14 AM
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17. Tell that to Di Fi...
Mr and Mrs American TURN THEM ALL IN...


And guess who is making waves about it again?!?
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:15 AM
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19. Sorry but your word isn't good enough. The only reason Obama and Congressional anti-gun supporters
don't pass laws banning handguns, semiautomatic firearms, or all guns is the overwhelming anger that would occur among 80+ million gun-owners, their families, and friends.

In the meantime, the anti-gun group will continue to try sneaky infringements such as HR 45, Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009.

People who fail to acknowledge such threatened infringements on the inalienable/unalienable or pre-existing right to keep and bear arms for self-defense are themselves living a "paranoid fantasy".
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 01:10 PM
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35. Yet you'd take away my right to buy parts for them, replace them, or alter their appearance.
Assuming I have read your posts elsewhere correctly. You do support the so-called "assault weapons ban", yes?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:32 AM
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27. why don't we put an assault weapon in everyone's hands....?
:sarcasm:
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:34 AM
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28. Do you know what an "assault weapon" is? n/t
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 12:32 PM
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34. Because having a right to own something doesn't include having other people pay for it
:nuke:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 09:59 PM
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37. Might be a bit too expensive for the Government. nt
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:51 AM
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4. HA!!! The editor probably owns a piece of the gun shop!!
Be interesting to see if there's any "convergence" between White Mountain Firearms and that ghastly rag.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:56 AM
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5. During the tea-bag business, I kept hearing about Obama's "anti-gun" agenda
What (if any) "anti-gun" policy changes have been sought?

Or is it all "he's a Democrat, therefor he's a radical gun-grabber" paranoia?
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:14 AM
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16. Obama put his support for a selective gun ban in his Urban Policy
The problem with the so called Assault Weapons Ban is that it would ban the purchasing of newly manufactured rifles, shotguns and pistols in certain configurations that are very popular among recreational shooters, competitive shooters, and those interested in self-defense. Plus it may be unconstitutional after the Heller decision.


http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/urban_policy/

Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.


Just as the panic buying was beginning to subside, both Holder and Clinton fueled it by saying a selective gun ban was on the agenda and a mistake to not reauthorize.

But then WH administration types back away from it when there is an uproar.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:15 AM
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18. Obama's own website states that he supports renewing the AWB.
I think that's pretty conclusive evidence.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:31 AM
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25. assault weapons ban would not stop anyone from buying ammo
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:34 AM
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29. No, but the fear is that an new AWB will lead to further restrictions...
...like the idiotic proposal to serial-number ammunition.

I think it's reasonable to expect that anybody stupid enough to vote for an AWB would also vote for other, equally stupid, restrictions.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 10:59 AM
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7. Silver lining....

I am sure this massive surge in ammo and firearms purchasing has gotten the attention of politicians who would like to make it more difficult to acquire firearms or ammo (either through selective gun bans or increased taxes). If people who are suffering during these economic times are motivated to shell out serious coin for guns and ammo, then politicians should be worried about them being motivated to head to the polls.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:02 AM
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8. Well, I can't buy any ammo for my 9mm...
because the loonies are stockpiling ammunition and emptying the shelves.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:08 AM
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13. Yes, that is the downside.


I buy a couple of boxes when I can. I'm not really stockpiling, but when you want to go shooting you can no longer depend on it being available.

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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:29 AM
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22. Same here on the 9mm
I did manage to score 2000 from a local small commercial reloader or I'd be SOL for IDPA except for the bit of a stockpile I had from buying a couple of boxes every pay. Cabela's and Gander Mountains in my area shelves are bare, bare, bare.

I'm getting pissed at these stockpilers or those who are going to the Walmarts & other retailers to buy up all the ammo so they can resell at twice the cost on the internet or at gun shows, or especially just stockpiling it in their Y2K black helicopter fear of Obama panic!
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:03 AM
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10. When are they NOT making decisions based on unrealistic
n/t
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:08 AM
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12. Other than the fact that Obama has made no indication about this
I suppose they have a lot to be worried about.

It's all about inventing shit to hate Obama about.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:29 AM
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23. Sorry but Obama supports banning semiautomatic firearms with cosmetic features, see # 16. n/t
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:30 AM
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24. Except for the fact that he campaigned on banning some guns and continues to
include it in his urban policy statement.


http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/urban_policy/

Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:12 AM
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14. And this appeared in the Kalamazoo Gazette last week ...
Fear of legislation, violence drives surge in weapons purchases, Kalamazoo retailers say
by Blake Thorne | Kalamazoo Gazette
Sunday April 19, 2009, 6:06 AM


KALAMAZOO -- While the recession continues to slow some industries to a near halt, gun sales appear to be -- pardon the pun -- firing away.

Retail sales of guns and ammunition (particularly for handguns) are up since last fall as hunters and gun enthusiasts worry that President Barack Obama and the Democrats are going to outlaw some kinds of guns and ammunition or may greatly regulate weapons people may own.

"Right now the Democrats are making it pretty good for gun sales," said Randy VanDam, owner of D&R Sports Center in Oshtemo Township.

VanDam said his sales for February and March were up almost 40 percent from the same period a year ago. And that is a continuation of a surge that started last fall.

"When the polls started to swing more Democratic, so did the demand (for guns)." he said.

more...

http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2009/04/fear_of_legislation_violence_d.html
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:14 AM
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15. Yet they were fine with Bush/Cheney taking their civil rights away.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:18 AM
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20. Please prove "they were fine with Bush/Cheney taking their civil rights away." n/t
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 09:54 PM
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36. My republican family members who are rabid gun owners were completely fine with wiretapping, having
libraries turning over check-out records to the government, and any other invasive government actions that would keep them supposedly safe from "them muslins" as they called anyone of Middle Eastern descent.

Now, those same republican gun owners in my family are buying up guns left and right and stockpiling ammo "cuz Osama, oops, Obama is gonna take our right to own guns away."

There that's my proof--my stupid republican relatives who are basically creating militias with their friends because they are frightened of Obama.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 12:25 PM
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38. I don't accept your "stupid republican relatives" as proof that over 80+ million gun-owners "were
fine with Bush/Cheney taking their civil rights away."

I doubt you would say your "stupid republican relatives" describe all your relatives but that's much more likely than their behavior describing 80+ million gun-owners.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:25 AM
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21. We're coming to take them away..ha ha ho ho hee heee.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:32 AM
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26. Newspapers & TV driving as well - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette today
BTW, this is the liberal Pittsburgh paper - not the Scaife rag.

On the gun counter at Ace Sporting Goods in Washington County, customers are greeted with a picture of President Barack Obama next to the caption, "Salesman of the Year."

The "Salesman of the Month" honor goes to Gov. Ed Rendell, whose picture is next to the president's.

"Obviously it's a little bit of humor," said owner George Romanoff. "But any time our politicians start discussing gun control, it has the adverse effect of what they intended. It's true across the country."

The Obama-as-top-salesman image isn't unique to Ace. Similar pictures are on any number of pro-gun Web sites. The publisher of The Outdoor Wire, an online publication for the outdoors industry, even credited Mr. Obama with sparing the gun industry the same kind of slump that has decimated the automakers.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09117/965814-455.stm


Assistant manager Keith Swart works behind the counter at Ace Sporting Goods.

Wish I could read the calibers on those ammo boxes :evilgrin:
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empyreanisles Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:35 AM
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30. Is all this flap simply about getting semi-auto guns that look "cool" ...
Edited on Mon Apr-27-09 11:35 AM by empyreanisles
while being functionally equivalent to more traditional, non-AWB guns?

...and since when does banning some guns equal banning all guns? Slippery slope?
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:37 AM
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31. "since when does banning some VOTES equal banning all VOTES?" I support all civil rights equally. nt
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 12:28 PM
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32. In addition to this, we have a John Birch group infiltrating the area.
That has a lot to do with this, in my opinion.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 12:31 PM
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33. Writing to a local newspaper in Conway, NH isn't going to change anything - Only President Obama can
By making a definitive statement that he will veto any gun ban bills that reach his desk.
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