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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 12:39 PM
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Push to drill 3 to 10 miles off Florida's shore being done by oil and gas lobbyists...
who are offering the state money to fix its budget. And it appears the legislature might be falling for it, while Charlie Crist is being more cautious.

They waited until near the end of the session to bring it up, catching environmental groups off guard.

Unidentified oil and gas companies are bankrolling a last-minute fight to bring offshore drilling to Florida's coastline.

Florida Energy Associates, a corporation formed in December by Daytona Beach lawyer Doug Daniels, has hired at least 20 of the state's most prominent lobbyists to push bills through the legislature in the final week of session. Most of the lobbyists were hired in the last 10 days but the proposal has been planned for months. The measure, slated for votes in the House and Senate this week, would give the governor and Cabinet authority to approve oil and gas exploration 3 to 10 miles off the Florida coast.

RUSHED

The sudden appearance of the issue near the end of a troubled legislative session has sparked outrage from environmental groups and Democrats in both houses who question why it surfaced with little time for discussion and debate.

Gov. Charlie Crist initially said he was willing to look at the measure but has since questioned the way lawmakers have rushed the bill through.


The brother of Pete Sessions is apparently one of the lobbyists from Texas.

The group intends to use a seismic tool that uses satellite technology to pinpoint oil and gas reserves, said M. Lance Phillips, a Texas lawyer who is a principal partner in Florida Energy Associates. He said the investors believe Florida's potential includes ''several major oil fields,'' within the Gulf of Mexico. Phillips of Mexia, Texas, and Dallas lawyer William Lewis Sessions appeared before a House committee considering the issue last week. Phillips owns Oil and Gas Acquisitions, an independent oil and gas exploration company, and is the chairman of the Limestone County Republican Party. Sessions, the son of former FBI Director William Sessions and brother of Texas congressman Pete Sessions, represents oil company clients, as well as the Cherokee Indians of Texas.

Daniels, the Daytona Beach lawyer who formed the corporation, says others helping finance the campaign ``prefer not to have the notoriety.''

''They prefer not to have other people in the oil business know they are looking in Florida,'' Daniels said Saturday.


An op ed at the Tallahassee.com website tells about all the promises made to Alabama about oil rigs. It points out the realities.

David McGrath: The hazards of offshore drilling threaten Florida

Heavier than air, hydrogen sulfide settles in low areas, and according to the U.S. Dept. of Health & Human Services, can inflict "nausea, headaches, delirium, disturbed equilibrium, tremors, convulsions and skin and eye irritation. Inhalation of high concentration of hydrogen sulfide can produce extremely rapid unconsciousness and death."

Understandably, the oil CEOs from Texas lately lobbying Detert and the others to repeal Florida's moratorium on offshore rigs did not volunteer this information. But our legislators can, if they choose, access a wealth of medical data and death statistics from America's coal mining industry, which has had a long and macabre history with hydrogen sulfide.

Or they can consult with federal scientists who have found mercury in the drilling mud at the bottom of the aforementioned Alabama contraptions, in greater concentrations than what was tested at the infamous Superfund Site of Love Canal in New York. To be fair, Detert and cohorts claim they want to raise more revenue through drilling leases, and to make Florida and America more energy independent.

Yet the citizens of Alabama, even after selling out its environmental soul to Big Oil half a century ago, have enjoyed little if any of the profits from approximately 50 oil and gas rigs off its shores, and actually pay more for natural gas and home heating oil than any other state in the union. Alabama Gov. Bob Riley has been waging a yearlong fight with oil companies over their "creative" accounting practices that have somehow denied the state and its citizens its pledged commissions — the same companies now making promises to Florida, if only we would agree to foul our coastline and jeopardize our indispensable tourism industry.


Senator Bill Nelson and State CFO Alex Sink are fighting this issue, and they are making their voices heard. Otherwise, I have mostly heard silence.

I remember when the Senate Gang of 10 put forth proposals last year that would have pretty much ended any restriction on drilling off Florida's shoreline.

I don't remember all the details, but I remember 3 of them were Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu, and Max Baucus. There were 5 Democrats and 5 Republicans in the Gang of 10. Here is a statement about their plans. I don't know if any of this went through or not.

The proposal would end most of the ban on drilling. It would allow a 50-mile buffer on the East Coast, as well as Florida's Gulf Coast. Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia and South Carolina would be permitted to start oil and natural gas exploration outside the buffer.

..."The Gang of 10 proposal would encourage states to allow drilling off their shores by sharing some of the federal offshore royalty revenues with the states. But unlike the other four states, Florida would not get a choice on whether to allow drilling off its coasts. When asked why not, Chambliss said, "It's only a logical extension of what's happening in the Gulf right now. Plus, that area has been identified as an area where resources are available right now."


Using Florida's economic vulnerability to push through drilling up to 3 miles from the shore. I would give that as an example of disaster capitalism. Hope Charlie doesn't fall for it.
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Stellabella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 12:43 PM
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1. Does the idiotic public realize that we already EXPORT gas and oil from this country?
It's not OUR gas and oil; it goes on the world market. What we need is nationalization of the oil companies, followed by huge development and investment in renewable energies.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 12:47 PM
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4. The US is still a net consumer, not a producer of gas and oil
But I understand your point.

The oil companies even said that if they were to drill in ANWR, that oil would probably go to the asian markets anyways.

That's globalization for you.
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Stellabella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 02:16 PM
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8. Yep, I know. It just seems I hear more and more people saying
"we should drill HERE for OUR oil and gas." Like it belongs to the country. Not.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 12:43 PM
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2. Interesting to see what the "drill here, drill now" gang think of this
Especially in Florida. Can you see Rush Limbaugh joining a Citizen's Coalition to stop this?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 12:44 PM
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3. I wonder... Would the oil from a few wells provide enough profit
to offset the loss of tourism for the state?

One oil spill and all the northerners will not be making their winter and spring trips to the sunshine state. Those white sand beaches will be black tar beaches.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 09:34 AM
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14. I believe that the most promising well sites are actually for natural gas.
Am I incorrect?

One thing about the oil wells off Florida, and I feel confident that there will be oil wells off Florida, is that oil companies cannot claim that tarballs or oil patches reaching the shore are natural and having been happening forever. Too many people have continuously inhabited the shorelines of Florida to buy that. I don't know for a fact that it's a lie when they say this in Texas, simply that natural seepage has not to my knowledge ever been an accepted feature of Florida's Gulf beaches.

Our approach needs to be cautious, but open to legitimate scientific and economic arguments.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 01:08 PM
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5. I say drill off the Florida coast
they drill off our Texas coast and the rest of the Gulf coast. Why should we be the ones with oily beaches and not Florida? Florida is not special.
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 01:39 PM
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7. Because
We in Florida do not want to make the same mistake the rest of the Gulf Coast made.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 09:41 AM
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15. I have to support drilling in Florida.
Because I support drilling in Alaska, so it would be NIMBY of me to oppose it in Florida.

Link to article on natural seepage in Gulf of Mexico - http://www.loga.la/articles/070618.html

To which I say, "Great. Got it. I understand. The oil on Texas beaches isn't due to drilling or transport. But we don't have this in Florida, so if we get it don't piss on my head and tell me it's natural seepage."
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soryang Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 01:08 PM
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6. This will destroy tourism, boating and fishing industries
The environmental quality of Florida beaches is renowned worldwide. We are an international tourism destination. Tourism and hospitality is the states major service industry. Compare our beach environments to Louisiana Texas Mississippi and Alabama, what I call the cancer and crude coast. That energy lobbyists and politicians disregard these differences should and will make Floridians sick.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 09:13 PM
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10. Remember how hard it was to get info on how many rigs were hit during hurricanes?
Like Katrina and Wilma and others, I have forgotten their names.

Right in the paths of the hurricanes, and they don't even mention the dangers.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 04:38 PM
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9. The bill just passed the House...I am guessing today.
http://www.postonpolitics.com/2009/04/florida-house-votes-to-open-shores-for-near-shore-drilling/

"In a historic vote that drove home the changing politics of off-shore drilling in Florida, the Republican-dominated House took the first step in opening the state’s coastline to oil and gas rigs.

The issue, which lets the governor and Florida Cabinet allow drilling up to three miles off the coast, now moves to the Senate, where support is less likely. Republican leaders in that chamber say the measure appeared too late in the session to receive a thorough debate.

But that didn’t slow the House, where Republicans dominated a largely partisan 70-43 vote.

Reps. Michelle Rehwinkel Vasilinda of Tallahassee and Debbie Boyd of Newberry were the only Democrats to support the bill. Two Republicans opposed the bill: Jim Frishe of St. Petersburg and Ed Hooper of Clearwater."
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soryang Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:39 PM
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11. Change Clearwater to Oilwater Florida
These people make me sick.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:14 AM
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12. Bill hits a snag in the Florida Senate
But the lobbyists will be back before long.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/offshore-plan-hits-fla-senate/story.aspx?guid={9ABCD76E-24BD-4DD3-9202-BEE0EB47DAA0}&dist=msr_3

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla., Apr 28, 2009 (UPI via COMTEX) -- Florida state senators and Gov. Charlie Crist say a move to open up state waters to offshore oil drilling has run out of time in the legislative session.
Florida Senate President Jeff Atwater, R-North Palm Beach, told reporters shortly after the House voted Monday to approve an offshore drilling measure the proposal came too late in the session for a full consideration, The Miami Herald reported.

"I'm not receptive to it," Atwater said. "That is a really, significantly important issue. It'd be very difficult to imagine that's part of an end game for this session."
Crist Monday also told the Herald he was troubled by the "lateness of the hour" as well as by the "closeness to shore" of the bill's provisions, which would allow drilling between 3 and 10 miles off Florida's Gulf of Mexico coastline."
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:41 PM
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13. Update: looks like the Senate stopped it for now.
Looks like Atwater won't bring it up for a vote.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/apr/29/na-brokered-budget-to-move-forward/news-politics/

"Most House Democrats voted against a plan from House GOP leaders to lift the state ban on offshore oil drilling, a plan that would have dedicated some of the resulting profits to Florida Forever. Hours after the drill bill passed the House, Senate President Jeff Atwater said he did not intend to bring up the drilling plan for a vote at all."
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FloriTexan Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:42 PM
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17. This is great news...
The last time I was in Florida I stayed in the Panama City area in what looks like that last of the old beachside motels. It was bright pink and it was surround by tall condos, all in the process of being built. They were all squeezed up next to each other. Back in the day I remember driving along the roads next to the beaches and being able to look over and see the ocean, those days are sadly gone. Almost all the motels were 1-2 story structures. Not its high-rises as far as the eye can see. I was so depressed by it. It will be even more depressing to finally be on the beach and look out to the ocean and see oil rigs. :grr: :cry:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 04:28 PM
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20. Too many tall condos, very little beach for the public to see.
Back in MY day, there was almost complete visual access to the beaches. Then greed took over.
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FloriTexan Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 04:42 PM
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21. You have to be a "guest"
to gain access to the beach. There is something wrong with this picture. They are just about ready to allow oil drilling within site of their "scenic" beaches, but they won't allow dogs on the beach. I know that's off topic, but I'm still upset about that. Sorry ;)
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 09:42 AM
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16. Peak oil is such a bitch. n/t
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feslen Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:42 PM
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18. so sad :( I feel for you Florida
I guess Alaska is next...time to maul those Polar Bears and cute little sea otters.

these heartless "clean" oil companies are going to rob us of the beauty of nature right under our noses.

can we toss those congress people out on the streets? they're not exactly representing anyone but themselves and the big companies!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:42 PM
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19. rust never sleeps
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