oh fuck. Police: Man made child help as he cut up body (her mother who he murdered)

[cali]

By WOODY BAIRD – 47 minutes ago

MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) — A young girl who told police her father forced her to help as he cut up her mother's body with an electric saw said she could only look away when the head fell to the floor.

The girl is the chief witness against James Hawkins, 31, a prison parolee charged with first-degree murder in the death of Charlene Gaither, 28, a longtime companion with whom he had three children. His trial is scheduled for September and prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.

Police say Gaither was killed in February 2008 at the apartment she shared with Hawkins, their then 12-year-old daughter, Keyuna Thomas, and two boys, ages 9 and 11.

Keyuna, now 13, told police she saw Hawkins stab her mother in the neck with a knife and then strangle her after she threatened to call police during an argument.

The girl told police her father forced her to help as he cut up the body a day after the killing.

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[Forkboy]

1. It's people like this that really test my anti-death penalty stance.

:mad:

[cali]

3. my first though was that

and that though my anti-dp stance is still intact, I won't shed any tears if this man is executed or killed in prison.

[Danger Mouse]

4. Preferably slowly.

The sick piece of filth.

[aikoaiko]

35. Its people like this that make me glad there is still a death penalty.

Horrible crime + certainty of actor = death penalty

[Forkboy]

36. I disagree with the DP for reasons too long to go into again today.

But I do understand your feelings on this one.

[shadowknows69]

42. I hear that

There won't be enough therapy or psyche drugs in the world that will silence those poor girl's nightmares. :(

[tekisui]

49. I am still against state sanctioned murder. But, I would not bat and eye

at vigilante justice when it comes to people like this.

[Danger Mouse]

2. Having just read 'The Watchmen'...

sometimes I really identify with Rorschach.
:(

[CraftyGal]

14. ageed n/t

[shadowknows69]

43. I hear that too

[islandgirl808]

5. oh god

i literally want to throw up right now

how the fcuk could someone do that?? all of that???
:banghead:

[cliffordu]

6. I have no words.....

[Berry Cool]

8. There really are none.

This is one of those situations where you just don't care what happens to the guy. You may not want to do the punishing, but at the same time you cannot think of a punishment bad enough.

[ShenandoahAspen]

7. How sad. This poor girl will need counseling her whole life.

There should be special place in hell for monsters like this. I am very much against the death penalty, but I hope this jerk's fellow inmates take care of him. :grr:

[Tim01]

9. This guy was somebodys neighbor.

He stood in line with people in the supermarket. He sat next to them in restaurants. He bumped into people in the gas station. He was probably somebodys coworker. This is the man you pass on the street and never give it a second thought.
Humans.

[kestrel91316]

10. THIS sort of thing is why I still support the death penalty.

Some people are simply not fit to live.

[JonLP24]

18. If he gets the DP

He'll serve a shorter prison term then someone with a pound of marijuana and two semi-automatic pistols. Sure he'll die and if you're religous you'll probaly think he'll go to a fiery place unless he repents. But after 8 years or so he'll be dead no longer paying for his crimes. He'll just simply be dead.

[Aethertek]

30. So

Yes it is wrong for people to do time for pot, but for creations sake to hell with your concept of punishment.
Kill that filthy excuse for a human being & save the taxpayers some money.
Oh & kill him slow, now there is punishment to fit the crime.
Disgusting.

No Peace
Kevin~

[shadowknows69]

44. I agree, monsters should be made to suffer

And the best way to do that is make them live in a cage with other monsters. Forever.

[jody]

11. Analyzing homicides is not my forte but superficially there appears to be abnormal patterns

emerging.

Does any DUer with experience in analyzing homicides have a conjecture about underlying causes?

[CraftyGal]

15. He is has Antisocial Personality Disorder, commonly known as a sociopath.

Click on the website,Antisocial Personality Disorder, it has some really good explanations on what this is. that poor girl having to help under threat of death. I hope she is getting some comprehensive counseling over this.

CraftyGal

[jody]

17. Thanks, is that disorder also applicable to other recent brutal murders? n/t

[Rebubula]

50. Murder and Mayhem

None of these crimes are new or groundbreaking.

Humans have been killing each other in horrible ways since the beginning of human history.

The only difference is that it is difficult to hide a body , law enforcement\CSI is prevalent and the media covers everything.

This story is repulsive for sure, but it is a repeating theme since time began.

All that said, I love my cats more everytime I read a story like this...

[NYMountaineer]

12. Awful. Just Awful...

It's times like these when I'd have no moral problem about a guy like this getting the death penalty.

[rhiannon55]

13. oh that poor child

that is so incredibly sick. I hope that monster gets everything he deserves for what he did. I am normally against the death penalty, but that man does not deserve to live.

[babylonsister]

16. Aww, how will those kids ever recover from such a traumatic

act? That's so sad on so many levels.

[Kansas Wyatt]

24. They can't.

It will always be there and it will always affect them, especially the daughter he made help.

[MrSlayer]

19. This guy needs to be executed.

There is no reason at all why this fucking goon should be allowed to continue breathing. Let him have his trial and then hang him forthwith. They should cut him apart with a chainsaw but of course, that would be barbaric.

[Danger Mouse]

20. In some cases I become a bad Christian and wonder if barbarism isn't such a bad thing...

when discussing sub-human filth.

[JonLP24]

22. So how do you feel about waterboarding?

FYI, I'm against all forms of barbarism.

[Danger Mouse]

23. I'm against it.

I don't think anything beyond execution should happen to this pig...but I think life in general population would be much more effective. Hopefully the slime bleeds out from a shiv to the gut in the showers.
A fitting death for sleaze.

[JonLP24]

21. What I don't understand

Is people are advocating chainsaws and all sorts of abuse for this man while nearly all of us with the exception of possible freepers oppose any type of torture for a terrorist suspect that could be responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent victims. It doesn't make sense to me. BTW, I'm against chainsaws, waterboarding, and death penalty for anyone. Death penalty just shortens people's prison sentences while people with a kilos of marijuana are serving 20-40 years. They'll be serving longer sentences then this guy if he is guilty and does in fact receive the DP.

[MrSlayer]

25. I don't think anyone should be serving time for marijuana.

But I also don't think that because so many are serving that unjust sentence that people like this murderer/torturer shouldn't get his just desserts. As far as torturing alleged terrorists to get information out of them, I disagree with it because it simply doesn't work. You can never be sure you are getting the truth out of them. And they were torturing innocent people. Now, if you had definitive proof that you had in custody a person that perpetrated the 9/11 attacks for example, you can go ahead and torture them all you want. I'd have no problem with that. Just as I would have no problem torturing child rapists and other heinous criminals like the BTK killer. You should get what you give. That will never happen of course. A clean and timely execution is sufficient and justified.

Also, if the "ticking time bomb" scenerio ever came true, they would torture the person to get him to talk no matter what anyone said about it.

[Hugabear]

29. Killing this monster isn't going to accomplish anything either

It won't bring back the poor woman, it won't change the fact that this child is fucked for life. The damage is done.

I agree this monster should never even have a chance at freedom. He's forfeited his right to ever live in civilized society. But being against the death penalty means that you're against the death penalty period. I can't change my convictions on a case-by-case basis like this, otherwise I'm not really against it and I'm just letting my emotions take over. Sure, I probably wouldn't mind taking a crowbar to this man's face, and I can't say that I would be disappointed when he does die. However, I firmly believe that the state should not be involved in taking another human life.

[yodermon]

26. i am 100% against the death penalty and i 100% want this fuck to be executed

how's that work
argh

[LostinVA]

47. Then you aren't against the DP

Not snarking at all, Scout's honor.

[omega minimo]

27. Thank you for sharing

:puke:

[cali]

41. sorry that you feel that it's more important

to snark at me than to comment on this disturbing story. Are you suggesting that it shouldn't be posted? If so, I think you're wrong.

[Politicalboi]

28. The death penalty is what I'd give him

No parole hearings 20 years down the line. I mean look at Manson. Every 10 years or so he gets a parole hearing and if weren't for the families objecting he might have been out by now. That is one reason why I favor the DP. Why should the victims family have to fight to keep these bastards in jail for life if that is their sentence. Life should MEAN life. The DP avoids that. Like that woman in Ca she should get the DP for killing little Sandra Cantun.

[Bluebear]

32. That's way too easy an out for him.

[Hugabear]

33. What about life without the possibility of parole?

Give him life without parole, or several hundred years so that he becomes eligible for parole in the year 2200.

[kentuck]

31. And there is no such thing as evil in this world...?

a sick evil...?

[me b zola]

34. Whatever we do, we shouldn't speak about domestic violence

That professor in GA? Hell, just some guy on a killing spree--never mind that the intended victim was his wife and that it was a well thought out murder. This guy in TN? Hell, lets just focus on the brutality that affected the child, lets not speak about domestic fucking violence.


:argh:

[Initech]

37. Holy crap, there are some seriously sick motherfuckers in this country.

:scared:

[Liberal_in_LA]

38. horrible!

[vaberella]

39. It's only in such cases do I accept torture. n/t

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

40. He should become live chum for sharks

The "humane" version of the death penalty is too easy for this piece of filth.

[sendero]

45. I have no qualms about putting down..

... a rabid dog, and I'd have no qualms about seeing this guy executed.

He bears as much relationship to a human being as a rabid dog does to Fido.

[olegramps]

46. Should executions be public?

It seems to me that if the death sentence is to be a deterrent then the execution should be a public event. Hanging or chopping off their head could be a good lesson to what is going to happen if you kill someone and make sure that kids have a good view. We could also consider burning at the stake for a lasting impression. Maybe they could sell tickets or have a raffle for the best seats to help defray the expense of the trial. With good management maybe it could even be profitable.

[cali]

48. no. the DP should be outlawed

but as long as it's legal it shouldn't be a fucking freak show for the masses.

Hopefully,your commentwas snark.