US offshores 22,000 green jobs to India

[DainBramaged]

As the Obama government gets ready to raise a protectionist wall against offshoring, the US firms seem to be shipping more jobs to India.

The US firms have offshored 22,000 green technology jobs to India since January 1, 2009, Doug Brown, co-author of the influential 2009 Green Outsourcing Report, informed TNIE.

“We see the (green job offshoring) trend increasing as the US and the UK outsourcing buyers are seeking lower cost in labour and energy consumption. There are few suppliers who match credentials and outcomes of Indian firms,” he said.
The annual industry study by Brown-Wilson Group, which surveyed 4,000 global firms, was released last week.
The report lists Patni, HCL, WNS, Wipro, Mastech and Tech Mahindra among important Indian green vendors who are benefiting from the offshoring wave.

Among the non-Indian firms, Xerox, Accenture, IBM Global, CSC, Capgemini, Oracle, HP/ ED S, Aramark, SITEL and Perot lead the list.

As most of these firms run large delivery centres in India, the boom in their green offshoring business is expected to further create jobs in India.

Noting an interesting irony the authors of the report say, “In the US, green stimulus plan is creating low-wage installation and construction jobs.” But, in India, which is usually associated with cheap and low-skill work, “…New green jobs include higher dollar engineers, strategic business management and support technicians charged with designing innovative environmental friendly solutions,” they add.

Green offshoring is creating demand for sustainability engineers, marketing and business development executives, data center management engineers, utilities and electric engineers and quality specialists in India, Brown informed TNIE.
Soaring energy cost and regulatory pressure have put pressure on firms in the US and Europe to embrace green technologies. Most of outsourcing buyers seek impeccable green credentials in their suppliers before handing over work, the report says.

This is an important condition as these firms have come to rely on their suppliers to mange their reputation as eco-friendly companies and ensure regulatory compliance.

Indian firms have passed this test with flying colours as over the last few years they have aggressively invested in appropriate hardware, waste disposal, recycling, eco-friendly buildings and other green technologies.
A Greenpeace survey recently ranked Wipro among top 5 green brands globally.

While the Indian firms have made ‘exceptional progress’ in building green credentials, Chinese and Central and East European (CEE) firms have made ‘the least advances’, the report says.

Indian firms have gone a few steps beyond and begun to offer Green IT solutions such as consulting, virtualization, carbon management and paperless office, among others, to help their clients reduce carbon footprint and cut cost. IT infrastructure, such as data centers, are energy guzzlers and use 1.5 per cent of domestic power output in the US.


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[rockymountaindem]

1. What is this "protectionist wall" of which Time speaks

I'd bet their idea of "protectionist wall" is anything that causes a minor dent in corporate profits of any kind.

[OhioChick]

2. Glad to hear that we're stimulating India's economy....

I thought Obama said these green technology jobs would replace those jobs already outsourced that weren't coming back?

Yeah....right. :mad:

[stillcool]

5. What does this have to do ..

with Obama? Is he supposed to stop multi-national corporations from packing up and moving on to their more lucrative locales?

“In the US, green stimulus plan is creating low-wage installation and construction jobs.”

[ihavenobias]

6. Good point, like Clinton at the time, he has no influence whatsoever on our trade policies.

;)

[stillcool]

10. Trade policies? These are ..

multi-national corporations that are packing up and moving on. What does that have to do with trade policies? Why would negotiating trade policies provide an incentive for any 'multi-national' corporation to keep their labor force here?

[ihavenobias]

21. Good point, free trade has in no way affected outsourcing of jobs.

I'm not sure what we'd do without you injecting some sanity into this protectionist thread!

:)

[stillcool]

49. Did I say it didn't?

If standards are raised in other countries, does that mean any of these corporations will leave their global hubs and come back?

[ihavenobias]

63. Of course not, you didn't imply that at all you silly goose!

:)

[OhioChick]

8. These "multi-national corporations" are begging for money....

Sam Palmisano: IBM CEO begs Obama for bailout

http://gawker.com/5078804/ibm-ceo-begs-obama-for-bailout

Why is it that you never stick up for American white/blue collar workers? Makes one wonder...

[stillcool]

11. I don't stick up for workers?

this has nothing to do with workers. It is how multi-national corporations are holding this country hostage. As far as IBM is concerned, how do you think they are doing with their global operations? Don't you see it as odd, that they hit up the U.S. while their subsidiaries all over the globe are humming along? What is wrong with reality, anyway?

[OhioChick]

19. You sound like a "multi-national corporation" hack. n/t

[stillcool]

45. no..you do...

You obviously want them to stay here, and continue doing what they've always done.

[DainBramaged]

68. No, we want American jobs for Americans, that's all.

[pampango]

69. "British jobs for British workers." - British National Party

http://bnp.org.uk/2009/04/preserving-british-identity-the-british-national-partys-immigration-policy

"Only the British National Party has the reasonable, sensible, fair and just immigration policy which will guarantee that Britain remains British.

- Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally ;
- Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British;
- Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate;
- Offer generous grants to those of foreign descent resident here who wish to leave permanently;
- Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases ;
- Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain."

" We want Britain to remain - or return to - the way it has traditionally been. We accept that Britain always will have ethnic minorities and have no problem with this as long as they remain minorities and do not change nor seek to change the fundamental culture and identity of the indigenous peoples of the British Isles ."

[DainBramaged]

70. I see ignored people.........

:nuke:

[OhioChick]

73. ........

Me, too. :rofl:

[DainBramaged]

74. ..............

:hug:

[w4rma]

13. Let them fucking pack up and go. And let them **try** to make their profits in other countries.

New businesses will replace them.

[OhioChick]

17. You got it....

Let them all fucking go.... without their damn bailouts from American workers.

[lib2DaBone]

3. Is CONgress still giving tax breaks to companies that off shore?

[Sebastian Doyle]

4. Mr. President, didn't you say that these jobs would be created because they could NOT be outsourced?

This is fucking ridiculous. It's time to bring ALL the goddamn jobs back to this country. If the fucking rich pigs like India and China so goddamn much, let them live over there.... with the people they've been exploiting. And none of their stolen money.

[stillcool]

7. You think multi-national coprorations..

are going to come back here? Why? And how is it you think the President can either stop them, or bribe them to come back?

[OhioChick]

9. Then what would YOU suggest that the American people do for an income?

Do enlighten me.

[stillcool]

12. Isn't it obvious? We have to invest..

in 'new' businesses. We have to regulate and legislate an equal opportunity economy, where competition, and the value of a product are returned to the business model.

[OhioChick]

14. What "new business?" Green technology was "supposed" to be the "new business." n/t

[stillcool]

24. And why do you think it isn't?

Because these corporations are leaving, you don't think that new American companies can emerge? I thought that was the whole idea.

[w4rma]

15. Then we have to kick the traitors out to make room for new companies to invest in. (nt)

[stillcool]

22. and they're going...

which is why the government providing money for new business, technology, etc., is such a good idea..at least I thought it was.

[w4rma]

66. They're still allowed to do business here at a pittance of a cost. I don't want them here at all.

Let them make their profit off of their slave wage paid Chinese laborers.

[Skittles]

16. WHAT NEW BUSINESS??????????????

[OhioChick]

18. Some people have their heads stuck so far up their ass it's amazing. n/t

[stillcool]

20. Ha!! Any new business...

the big emphasis is on green jobs..with money being provided for "American" Companies.

[DainBramaged]

23. You have no ideas, only hyperbole and bullshit

when you have real ideas for 'new' business to invest in, give us a call. :eyes:






Oh wait, call back later, nobody's home. :boring:

[stillcool]

26. Wow...You don't think there are green..

companies operating right now, that are not multi-national corporations?

[Skittles]

28. if there are, they will be snapped up by the big corps

they'll sell out just like they all do

[stillcool]

36. Oh well..then we're doomed..

the whole idea was to provide money to make these companies viable. To regulate, and legislate to make the market fairer. Why bother, if you want to keep the same multi-national corporations doing the same thing?

Demands Made by Transnational Corporations to do Business in a
Country under the Global Economy

1. Greatly reduce Corporate taxes and taxes on the rich.

2. Greatly reduce government spending in order to cut taxes.

3. Increase taxes on the middle-class and poor to pay for the necessary government services, such as support for TNCs.

4. Reduce environmental, work-safety, and product-safety regulations.

5. Provide millions and millions of dollars in tax incentives and subsidies to TNCs in order to convince them to locate in your country.

6. Build and support modern industrial factories for TNCs to use rent-free.

7. Create tax-free export processing zones so that TNCs can produce products without paying any taxes at all.

8. Reduce and lower worker's wages by keeping the minimum wage low or eliminating the minimum wage altogether.

9. Reduce the costs of hiring workers by reducing or eliminating workers' compensation taxes, social security taxes,and health insurance taxes.

10. Allow child-labor at almost any age and under any conditions.

11. Do not enforce maximum work-day hours, such as the eight hour day or the 40 hour week.

12. Use government power to crush and weaken labor unions. Allow companies to hire security firms to harass and intimidate workers and unions.

13. Allow TNCs to freely take their money and profits out of your country.

14. Reduce government support for health-care, education, and anti-poverty and anti-hunger programs, forcing workers to work for any wage just to take care of and feed their families.

15. Support global free trade and work to prevent countries from denying companies the right to sell their products despite the brutal conditions, environmental destruction, and exploitation of their workers.

16. Don't restrict or limit immigration and encourage high levels of unemployment in order to force workers to compete by working for lower and lower wages.

17. Limit and restrict local and national government control over their economies. Encourage global bodies to set economic standards that will benefit TNCs.

18. Limit the ability of workers and citizens to challenge the TNCs and their own government's economic programs which help the TNCs at their expense.

19. Create massive national debts in order to bankrupt governments and force them to be even more at the mercy of the TNCs. Governments can thus say they have no choice but to accept these conditions.

20. Force your citizens to accept lower standards of living and quality of life in order to guarantee higher profits for TNCs.

[DainBramaged]

32. Your generalization astounds me. Specifics, dear child, do you think we are dolts??

Oh, and where is the money coming from, the money tree?

[stillcool]

40. The budget bill...

but hey...if you like it the way it is..that's cool

[DainBramaged]

43. SO many companies are investing in wind, solar, and thermal

energy it isn't funny, and some, who are outsourcing manufacturing products overseas but claim to be American companies to get Federal dollars, are being ratted out quickly, and we hop their business suffers.

There are no new ideas or businesses, only areas that are untapped for green upgrades, from power conversion to improving home efficiency. Not enough small businesses have figured that out yet, and the fruit of their labor is ripe for the picking.

I hope that helped.

[stillcool]

50. I think if people could afford..

to market and sell a product and make a profit, there would be lots of new ideas. If the mega-corporations did not control the market, I think lots of new businesses would emerge. I guess I'm just crazy.

[ChromeFoundry]

61. There is a small flaw in that reasoning...

you can call it Microsoft syndrome, or one of the many other names....

As a company with a new idea begins to become profitable, by the time they reach the RMS (~70.7%) of their peak profit potential, they will be bought out by a larger company and the first thing they will do to maximize the profits, this is easily done by offshoring the manufacturing and/or development.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for helping small businesses gain momentum against these multi-nationals... but there needs to be a set of laws and trade agreements in place now to protect these interests of the small businesses and the workers they employ.

[stillcool]

62. I agree. It seems to me

that in the current market no one can compete. If you use the cheapest materials, and the cheapest labor, you still can't compete if there is any heavy-hitter who produces any similar product. It doesn't matter how innovative or good of a product. Bill Gates is the exception, and how he managed to stave off competition or a take-over is amazing. Ted Turner couldn't do it.

[ChromeFoundry]

65. Microsoft is not the exception...

they are at the top of the food chain mostly due to their acquisitions of smaller companies with better ideas. The only thing Microsoft ever had going for them was their massive amounts of money they dumped into their "usability" labs. The only reason their product is still the most common platform for the average home user and business user, is because their functions were consistent, and users are comfortable with it. The latest release of MS Office has thrown this into the crapper... the ribbon toolbar is the the farthest reach for usability to date.

Microsoft was not a successful company based off their internal innovations; they became the company they are by acquisition. Doesn't last forever... just ask the British.

[OhioChick]

27. Damn straight. n/t

[Skittles]

25. OK, done with you

[stillcool]

29. No Doubt....

it's a shame you don't want to create green jobs here. Or invest in new technology. I guess the future is bleak indeed for you. Doing the same thing expecting different results.

[Skittles]

31. fuck off

you have no idea what you are talking about

[OhioChick]

33. +1 n/t

[DainBramaged]

39. ..........

:loveya: :hug:

[OhioChick]

44. Right back at you....

:hug:

[Azlady]

64. +2 n/t

[DainBramaged]

35. HI, hope you are well, want some blood pressure medicine?

[Skittles]

42. my blood pressure, oddly enough, is 90/50

but I do like my Jack :D

[DainBramaged]

46. Mine was 100 over 66 on Thursday, not bad for a grumpy old man.

Who can't drink his Jack anymore. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Skittles]

57. I had a blood donor center gal tell me I must be a "very calm person"

LOLOLOLOL :rofl:

[OhioChick]

59. LOL.....

I have blood pressure like yours. Can't imagine what it would plummet to if I weren't so damn stressed. :rofl:

[stillcool]

38. Sweet..

Demands Made by Transnational Corporations to do Business in a
Country under the Global Economy

1. Greatly reduce Corporate taxes and taxes on the rich.

2. Greatly reduce government spending in order to cut taxes.

3. Increase taxes on the middle-class and poor to pay for the necessary government services, such as support for TNCs.

4. Reduce environmental, work-safety, and product-safety regulations.

5. Provide millions and millions of dollars in tax incentives and subsidies to TNCs in order to convince them to locate in your country.

6. Build and support modern industrial factories for TNCs to use rent-free.

7. Create tax-free export processing zones so that TNCs can produce products without paying any taxes at all.

8. Reduce and lower worker's wages by keeping the minimum wage low or eliminating the minimum wage altogether.

9. Reduce the costs of hiring workers by reducing or eliminating workers' compensation taxes, social security taxes,and health insurance taxes.

10. Allow child-labor at almost any age and under any conditions.

11. Do not enforce maximum work-day hours, such as the eight hour day or the 40 hour week.

12. Use government power to crush and weaken labor unions. Allow companies to hire security firms to harass and intimidate workers and unions.

13. Allow TNCs to freely take their money and profits out of your country.

14. Reduce government support for health-care, education, and anti-poverty and anti-hunger programs, forcing workers to work for any wage just to take care of and feed their families.

15. Support global free trade and work to prevent countries from denying companies the right to sell their products despite the brutal conditions, environmental destruction, and exploitation of their workers.

16. Don't restrict or limit immigration and encourage high levels of unemployment in order to force workers to compete by working for lower and lower wages.

17. Limit and restrict local and national government control over their economies. Encourage global bodies to set economic standards that will benefit TNCs.

18. Limit the ability of workers and citizens to challenge the TNCs and their own government's economic programs which help the TNCs at their expense.

19. Create massive national debts in order to bankrupt governments and force them to be even more at the mercy of the TNCs. Governments can thus say they have no choice but to accept these conditions.

20. Force your citizens to accept lower standards of living and quality of life in order to guarantee higher profits for TNCs.

[ChromeFoundry]

47. available on Amazon....

[stillcool]

53. Available for free download..

http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0303critic/0303socialcriticism.html
THE RICH AND THE SUPER-RICH

A Study in the Power of Money Today

BY FERDINAND LUNDBERG



Lyle Stuart, Inc. • New York


Lundberg, Ferdinand. The Rich and the Super Rich. New York: Lyle Stewart, 1968.

Shows with overwhelming evidence who rules and specifically how they rule. Although decades have passed since this book was written and the individuals have changed, the families in power haven't changed. This book allows someone with perceptiveness to look through the news, peek behind distractions of current events and see what probably is really happening. OUT OF PRINT

[OhioChick]

30. Yeah, same here. n/t

[Sebastian Doyle]

37. Uh, we invested in new businesses in the 1990s. That would be IT

...they outsourced that. Then they told us these green jobs were coming and they could absolutely, positively, NEVER be outsourced.

Seems like the only thing NOT being outsourced in this country are criminal shit companies like Goldman Sachs, and they should be outsourced - straight to HELL.

[stillcool]

41. Okey Dokey...

lets keep those multi-nationals here. Let's lower their taxes, lower their labor costs, and limit their liability to poison the environment.


Demands Made by Transnational Corporations to do Business in a
Country under the Global Economy

1. Greatly reduce Corporate taxes and taxes on the rich.

2. Greatly reduce government spending in order to cut taxes.

3. Increase taxes on the middle-class and poor to pay for the necessary government services, such as support for TNCs.

4. Reduce environmental, work-safety, and product-safety regulations.

5. Provide millions and millions of dollars in tax incentives and subsidies to TNCs in order to convince them to locate in your country.

6. Build and support modern industrial factories for TNCs to use rent-free.

7. Create tax-free export processing zones so that TNCs can produce products without paying any taxes at all.

8. Reduce and lower worker's wages by keeping the minimum wage low or eliminating the minimum wage altogether.

9. Reduce the costs of hiring workers by reducing or eliminating workers' compensation taxes, social security taxes,and health insurance taxes.

10. Allow child-labor at almost any age and under any conditions.

11. Do not enforce maximum work-day hours, such as the eight hour day or the 40 hour week.

12. Use government power to crush and weaken labor unions. Allow companies to hire security firms to harass and intimidate workers and unions.

13. Allow TNCs to freely take their money and profits out of your country.

14. Reduce government support for health-care, education, and anti-poverty and anti-hunger programs, forcing workers to work for any wage just to take care of and feed their families.

15. Support global free trade and work to prevent countries from denying companies the right to sell their products despite the brutal conditions, environmental destruction, and exploitation of their workers.

16. Don't restrict or limit immigration and encourage high levels of unemployment in order to force workers to compete by working for lower and lower wages.

17. Limit and restrict local and national government control over their economies. Encourage global bodies to set economic standards that will benefit TNCs.

18. Limit the ability of workers and citizens to challenge the TNCs and their own government's economic programs which help the TNCs at their expense.

19. Create massive national debts in order to bankrupt governments and force them to be even more at the mercy of the TNCs. Governments can thus say they have no choice but to accept these conditions.

20. Force your citizens to accept lower standards of living and quality of life in order to guarantee higher profits for TNCs.

[Sebastian Doyle]

48. Fuck their demands

Nationalize them. Storm their gates. Kill every last one of the goddamn traitors for all I care. They have been STEALING from this country for the last 30 years, and it's goddamn time they were made to pay for it.

You want to call that class warfare? Damn right it is. And its about fucking time we fought back. :grr:

[RagAss]

52. Amen....n/t

[stillcool]

54. No shit.

[anonymous171]

60. Hear, hear! nt

[Fire1]

34. Just great. Just freakin great. n/t

[OnionPatch]

51. Isn't that nice.

And why did I have the feeling this would happen?

They won't stop until our middle-class is gone.

[RagAss]

55. Maybe I can send my kids to India for a fucking job when they graduate !

[OhioChick]

56. India firing foreign workers to give jobs to locals

India firing foreign workers to give jobs to locals

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Jobs/Expatriate_executives_making_way_for_local_hires/articleshow/4039529.cms

[RagAss]

67. At least they know how to treat their own.

[OhioChick]

72. Something that we "should" be doing. n/t

[RagAss]

75. Amen Ohio Chick !

[anonymous171]

58. They say "protectionist wall" like it's a bad thing. nt

[SemiCharmedQuark]

71. This article seems to be saying "Nyah nyah, Obama. Even though you are trying to stop offshoring,

your green jobs are STILL being sent here."