The GOP About face

[DearAbby]

They have gone full circle in the torture "debate".

The
"SO WE DID IT, BUT THE DEMOCRATS KNEW ABOUT IT, AND DIDN'T STOP US!" Argument.

Those who were briefed on this, and we still don't know the extent they were briefed. Bush lied to us, what makes you think he told the truth in those briefings? -We need to investigate this-

Those who were briefed, were under restrictions, this was Top Secret, National Security. They would have been charged with violating the law. They were purposely placed in this position to give insurance to the Bush administration. This is a form of blackmail.

This needs a full investigation, needs to be exposed, and any persons breaking the law need to be prosecuted. This should never happen again.

[FrenchieCat]

1. I agree. Being briefed on something, and who knows to what extent....

is not the same as maneuvering and ordering the shit to go down.

I'm not sure why we are supposed to believe that these are similar situations. :shrug:

Whatever Nancy and them might have (or might not have) known, is not the same
as being the ones having the bright idea that torture was in order, then figuring out how to get the torture done, and then getting it done.

Just ain't the same to me. Hell for that matter, we have all known for some time that this shit was going on. Should we be put on trial as well?

[DearAbby]

2. True

It has been amazing watching the GOP shill talking heads in the last couple days. Their MACHO, We did it to save lives, has swiftly changed to "Yeah we did it, but you knew about it and didn't stop us" routine.

It's clearly panic mode. And we cant let them off the hook. There can be no looking forward with this anchor hanging around our necks.

[FrenchieCat]

3. That's why I hate the media......

They twist everything and make people think abnormal is the new normal.

Helluv frustratin'!

[mikehiggins]

4. Crushing a kids testicles? How does anyone make that "normal"?

How does someone utter those words without knowing how evil what they are talking about actually is.

The way I see it, they probably experienced some sexual thrill, or power trip, over being in a position where such a horrific concept could be spoken without the speaker getting kicked in the face (or somewhere more appropriate).

Most sane people cannot accept the idea that their "leaders" could even think of something like that.

[Fumesucker]

5. Of course leaders think of stuff like that..

History is replete with such incidents, only an idiot thinks that human nature has somehow changed in the last decade/century/whatever..

[annabanana]

6. Not really an "about face".. They are throwing EVERYTHING out there..

They are saying ALL of these things at the same time:

We didn't do it.
We did it but it's not really torture.
It is torture, but it worked, so it's ok.
We did it but THEY are as guilty as we are.

Every RW outlet is spouting ALL of the above, hoping to make one of them "true" by repetition.

American's revulsion is such that I don't think it will work this time...

[KharmaTrain]

7. Here's Their Latest Problem...

We've seen many "justifications" over the past two weeks since the memos came forward. At first it "wasn't torture" (yes it was), then it "kept us safe" (no documentation for that claim) and then how they got "useful intel" (Jack Bauer strikes again) and now it's "everyone knew it". They're running out of talking points and each one exposes yet another flaw in their conveluted "logic".

The more they cry for "disclosure" (which means only select parts), the digger a hole they dig as they may get what they wish for...a document dump that could open a ton of other scandals. Had the boooosh regime had real tangible results from their torture, they would have leaked it to max effect. We never heard of any succesful plot that had been spoiled, yet that regime went running for the microphones when they thought paraded more and more ridiculous scenarios than any real threat. And then why would Al Queda need to attack here? They got what they wanted...Americans a lot closer to kill (4,000 of them), destruction of civil order and liberties and a collapse of our economy. All without buying another box cutter.

Yes...there needs to be a full investigation and no one's sacred. If a Jane Harman enabled and broke laws...she needs to face up to this or prove otherwise in a court of law. And this applies to virtually all members of the past regime who were involved in violating international laws regarding torture and launching an aggressive war.

Let the wingnuts and neo-cons try to spin...history is already writing the story here and to make it complete and restore this country to a place of international prestige, we must investigate and prosecute. But can our political system handle it? That is where I have my doubts. These aren't political errors...they are real crimes. Can there truly be a "bi-partisan" or "non-partisan" investigation????