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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:53 PM
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Court Rejects Obama Admin's State Secrets Claim
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 02:55 PM by mod mom
Court Rejects Obama Admin's State Secrets Claim
By Zachary Roth - April 28, 2009, 2:29PM
A court has rejected the Obama administration's claim of the state secret privilege.

Via the blog Legal Pad: A three-member panel of the 9th circuit Court of Appeals ruled this morning on a request from the government that it dismiss the Jeppesen case, which focuses on the CIA's extraordinary rendition program.

From the decision:
Acceding to the government's request would require us to ignore well-established principles of civil procedure. At this stage in the litigation, we simply cannot prospectively evaluate hypothetical claims of privilege that the government has not yet raised and the district court has not yet considered."
In other words, asking the court to dismiss the case at this point puts the cart before the horse. The state secrets claim "must be invoked during discovery or at trial," not at the pleadings stage." (court's itals)

The Jeppesen case is one of the three national security cases in which the Obama administration has invoked state secrets (the other two cases involve warrantless wiretapping). This despite the fact that, as a candidate, Obama criticized President Bush for too frequently invoking the privilege.

The effect of this decision on the other two cases remains unclear.

-snip

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/court_rejects_obama_admins_state_secrets_claim.php

The Constitution Project applauds the decision:

http://www.constitutionproject.org/NewsDetail.asp?id=371
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:55 PM
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1. Those cases were started when the Bush administration was in power.
As the DOJ represents the government, it had to assume the defense. Just an FYI.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:57 PM
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2. So are you saying that the Obama Admin had to keep the same position?
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 02:58 PM by mod mom
Here is what the Constitution Project says:

"Before the February oral argument in the case, the Constitution Project called on Attorney General Holder to reverse the litigation position previously taken by the Bush administration in this case, and to consent to have the trial judge review the evidence at issue.

“Although the Justice Department failed to change its position in this case and recognize the role of the courts in reviewing state secrets claims, we are pleased that the court has now required such a review. We call on the Justice Department to follow the Ninth Circuit’s ruling, and permit the case to proceed,” added Ms. Franklin."

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:35 PM
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11. at what point can a new Administration effect legal change that we can believe in?
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:10 PM
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18. At a point where it judges
... that it can afford the political costs of doing the right thing?
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 05:08 PM
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22. that appears to be the case, LW
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hugo_from_TN Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:33 PM
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6. Wrong
The DOJ is run by the Attorney General nominated by and reporting to President Obama. They did not have to assume the same stance, they did so intentionally.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:58 PM
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8. Not to mention - a court rejection of a flawed argument keeps many
people still backing Obama, even if he has to abide by what the Court says. The GOP gets one less thing to attempt to smear him (and the rest of the D's) with.

I think this is one of those cases where he's bound to see it through, but has recognized that the battle may be better won by an ally (Court) rather than the Administration
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:57 PM
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15. The GOP has shown they don't want to work in any way w us so it's worthless
to make concession towards them. Isn't the 9th circuit where Baybee serves as a judge?
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 02:59 PM
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3. Obama, I love you, but you deserved that one. nt
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:01 PM
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4. They played out the hand dealt them and established the precedent
in the law. Obama and his DoJ did well.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:03 PM
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5. This will make Russ Feingold happy as he gave Obama a D over state secrets stance.
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 03:09 PM by mod mom
Feingold grades Obama well, except on secrecy
By J. Taylor Rushing
Posted: 04/28/09 11:32 AM

Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) on Tuesday released a report card-style review of the Obama administration’s progress in overturning President Bush’s controversial national security measures, giving President Obama high marks for most actions except for a “troubling” use of secrecy.

Feingold, a member of the Intelligence Committee and chairman of the Judiciary Committee’s subcommittee on the Constitution, gave the highest marks for Obama’s renunciation of Bush-era practices such as harsh interrogation techniques and resistance to Freedom of Information Act requests. Those practices all received “A” grades.

“The difference between this administration and the Bush administration is night and day,” Feingold said in a morning conference call with reporters.

However, Feingold was harsh in his judgment of Obama’s “repeated assertion” of state secrets — a legal defense the administration has invoked three times in court to resist the release of information. That practice earned the lowest grade in Feingold’s report, a “D.”

-snip

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/feingold-grades-obama-well-except-on-secrecy-2009-04-28.html

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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:41 PM
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7. Seconded on that.
The whole state secrets thing stunk to high heaven, and I'm glad it got shot down.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:46 PM
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14. He got the decision he wanted. Chess...
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:08 PM
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9. Good. nt
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:09 PM
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10. me thinks they knew this would happen
not just hoping folks...
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:41 PM
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12. Good. Obama was dead worong on this.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:45 PM
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13. Good. k+r, n/t
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:04 PM
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16. More sniping from the sidelines?
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 05:05 PM by RufusTFirefly
Just like that ungrateful Feingold character.
Russ has obviously polluted the courts with his agenda

:sarcasm:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:06 PM
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17. THis could be another calculated move by Obama.
Rather than look partisan and vengeful, have the courts force him to change. He may have know it was going to go this way. And, he comes out(again) smelling like a rose.
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Spike89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:32 PM
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19. Invoking presidential authority to end things won't work
This seems a no-brainer to me. The problem (OK, one of the problems) with the entire Bush administration is that they insisted on powers and quasi-legal procedures and were careful never to let them be directly challenged in court. Obama could easily have stopped this, he can sign all the presidential decrees he wants, but that is exactly what is wrong right now. A presidential signing statement, directive, or memo of understanding can and will be simply overturned by the next corrupt administration. The government needs to make the courts implicitly limit and define the powers of the presidency.
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soryang Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:56 PM
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20. Judge Walker ND California already recognized that secrets
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 06:00 PM by soryang
...privilege does not necessarily require dismissal. He ordered that two plaintiffs attorneys in Haramain v NSA should be given a TS SCI clearance but Obama position is that officers of the court participating in a national security lawsuit are not assisting in an important government function. Therefore DNI has refused to grant the clearances claiming it is solely the prerogative of the executive branch to make this determination. That decision was on Feb 29. Don't know current status. Does anyone here?

Obama obviously favors the secret government that runs everything no matter who is in power. He has done nothing to end the asian wars but in fact has expanded them. HE is using the state secrets privilege improperly as a pretrial dismissal tactic to defend NSA dragnet surveillance of all American communications, which is still ongoing. What will be the democratic controlled Congress' excuse now for spreading war throughout central Asia?
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TimesSquareCowboy Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 06:52 PM
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21. The case that established state secrets in the first place turns out to have been
just a cover up of negligence by the Air Force, which invoked state secrets to squash a suit by the widow of one of the men who died in a plane crash.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 05:10 PM
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23. I missed this yesterday. Thanks for keeping it kciked.
kcik
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