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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:34 AM
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Family Ties (Bushes and Hinckleys)
i don't know where to start, other than to say i've been obsessing a little lately. i had once heard of this but not until recently did i decide to actually attempt to learn more about this. i'm sure a lot of folks here might already know about this, but figured some here might not.


the ties between the bush and hinckley families goes back to the 1960's. here's a good way to start this twisted sort of affairs:

Bush Son Had Dinner Plans With Hinckley Brother Before Shooting

The Associated Press Domestic News
March 31, 1981, Tuesday, PM cycle

“HOUSTON
The family of the man charged with trying to assassinate President Reagan is acquainted with the family of Vice President George Bush and had made large contributions to his political campaign, the Houston Post reported today.
The newspaper said in a copyright story, Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley Jr., who allegedly shot Reagan, was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the vice president's sons.
The newspaper said it was unable to reach Scott Hinckley, vice president of his father's Denver-based firm, Vanderbilt Energy Corp., for comment. Neil Bush lives in Denver, where he works for Standard Oil Co. of Indiana. “
http://www.hereinreality.com/hinckley.html
Bush Sr and Hinckley Sr were neighbors in houston since the 60’s. they were both oilmen. During GHWB’s time as VP hinckley’s oil company received part of the bailout during the S&L scnadal after his company vanderbilt oil began to lose money. Hinckley sr made political contributions to GHWB for his candicay for president when up against reagan.
and wait, there's more...
"But far beyond their social connection, neither Bush nor Hinckley
wanted Ronald Reagan to become president, because Reagan was opposed to
tax breaks for the oil industry to which Bush, Hinckley and other Texans were highly dependent."

"The effort to make Bush Sr. president in 1980 failed; but he and his
friend and backer Hinckley Sr. got the next best thing – the "heartbeat
away from the presidency" office of Vice-President of the United States."

"A couple months later, Hinckley Jr. shot Reagan, and Bush Sr. very nearly
did become president at that time, after all. Curiously, only one time
was it announced on the news about the connections between the Bush and
Hinckley families: An almost bewildered John Chancellor on NBC Nightly
News reported "the bizarre coincidence" that Vice President Bush's son,
Neil, and Scott Hinckley had dinner plans for March 31, 1981 -- now
cancelled, of course." "In other words, the brother of the shooter and the son of the
vice-president (and their wives) had a dinner date for the day after
the shooting."

http://www.nowpublic.com/who_shot_reagan_remember_john_hinkley


after thumbing through all of this, none of the last 8 yrs (and what we will continue to uncover about the last 8 yrs) will shock me. it's like there's no end to this family's plotting and scheming. prescott aids nazis and tries to overthrow the govt, GHWB is purportedly seen in front of the book depository on the day of JFK's assassination (ironically JFK had announced earlier in January of that year about a plan to cut the tax breaks for oil companies - http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/New+York+Times+Chronology/1963/January.htm - and then coincidentally gets assassinated before the end of that year - see Bush + Zapata Petroleum), then a bush family friend tries to kill the prez while a bush is the VP, then we have GWB, another freaky bush clan oilman who somehow manages to weasel his way through the '00 election, and the resulting eight years there after.

*deep breath*

FUCK THEM ALL.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:59 AM
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1. WWTMD?
What would the Mafia do? That's the bar I set for the Bushes.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 09:10 AM
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5. HA!
for real, right?
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:25 PM
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27. Absolutely. nt
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 09:01 AM
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2. The Bush family has had an amazing numbers of coincidences
and by chance close proximities to events in recent history. They are the real-life Forest Gump family.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 09:14 AM
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6. i LOVE that parallel!!





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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 09:02 AM
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3. Just co-incidences, I'm sure.
A long long long line of many many co-incidences.

btw..back in the day when there were independent newspapers and investigative journalism,
a couple of reporters noticed a couple of "co-incidences" and checked them out.
The reporters were Bernstein and Woodward. The story was Watergate.
We read every word in the papers every day, listened to the news every night.

Your piecing together of this info is good. Keep adding to it.
What are the Hinkleys up to now???
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 09:10 AM
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4. funny you ask:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/30/AR2005123001159.html

also, another little tidbit: when he shot reagan, DC was the only place in the country at that time that was accepting the insanity plea defense. another interesting coincidence...
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 10:29 AM
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11. “Coincidence is the word we use when we can't see the levers and pulleys.”
from somebody named Emma Bull.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:14 PM
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45. Emma Bull isn't just "somebody" -- she's a well-known SF writer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Bull

Emma Bull (born 13 December 1954) is a science fiction and fantasy author whose best-known novel is War for the Oaks, one of the pioneering works of urban fantasy. She has participated in Terri Windling's Borderland shared universe, which is the setting of her 1994 novel Finder. She sang in the rock-funk band Cats Laughing, and both sang and played guitar in the folk duo The Flash Girls while living in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 09:51 AM
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7. Bush was everywhere there was death dealing.






Bush was CIA back from the days of the OSS, and right into the White House, and just happened to 'overhear' assassination plans being made against Kennedy.

Misdirection all around by the CIA in order to run their own assassination teams. Oswald was exactly what he said he was, a set-up 'patsy'.


George H. W. Bush stated the he 'couldn't recall' his whereabouts on Nov. 11, 1963.

I was a child then. I remember exactly where I was that awful day.

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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 09:58 AM
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8. this info is what got me started on my obsession.
i just don't get it. all this info out there and no one questions anything. no M$M, nothing.

FUCKING WEIRD.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:09 PM
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32. Nothing wierd about it
When you control the media you control the message.
In this case the message is "I see nothing,I know nothing"
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 10:07 AM
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9. and don't forget Prescott Bush's link to the coup against FDR:
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 10:08 AM by mod mom
1934: The Plot Against America
DEPARTMENTNo CommentBYScott HortonPUBLISHEDJuly 28, 2007
I’m back from the land of heather and thistles, not to mention wee drams and lukewarm ale, but on my way out a friend at the BBC alerted me to this, a not-to-miss program on the BBC this morning, accessible over the next several days by internet. It’s the story of the Plot Against America. I don’t mean the Philip Roth novel, nor even the Sinclair Lewis book, It Can’t Happen Here, but rather the historical events upon which these two works of fiction were based.

In November 1934, federal investigators uncovered an amazing plot involving some two dozen senior businessmen, a good many of them Wall Street financiers, to topple the government of the United States and install a fascist dictatorship. Roth’s novel is developed from several strands of this factual account; he assumed the plot is actually carried out, whereas in fact an alert FDR shut it down but stopped short of retaliatory measures against the plotters. A key element of the plot involved a retired prominent general who was to have raised a private army of 500,000 men from unemployed veterans and who blew the whistle when he learned more of what the plot entailed. The plot was heavily funded and well developed and had strong links with fascist forces abroad. A story in the New York Times and several other newspapers reported on it, and a special Congressional committee was created to conduct an investigation. The records of this committee were scrubbed and sealed away in the National Archives, where they have only recently been made available.

The Congressional committee kept the names of many of the participants under wraps and no criminal action was ever brought against them. But a few names have leaked out. And one is Prescott Bush, the grandfather of the incumbent president. Prescott Bush was of course deep into the business of the Hamburg-America Lines, and had tight relations throughout this period with the new Government that had come to power in Germany a year earlier under Chancellor Aldoph Hitler. It appears that Bush was to have formed a key liaison for the group with the new German government.

Prescott Bush, of course, went on to service as a U.S. Senator from Connecticut, and his son, George H.W. Bush emerged from World War II as a hero.

-snip

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/07/hbc-90000651



The Whitehouse Coup
Monday 23 July 2007



The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression.

Mike Thomson investigates why so little is known about this biggest ever peacetime threat to American democracy.




http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml

THE CONSUMMATE CRIME FAMILY!
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:09 PM
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20. yeppers.
smedley butler, a real american hero.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 02:27 AM
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54. You can read Gen. Smedley Butler's 'War is A Racket" online
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 10:17 AM
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10. Wait a minute....look at those memos again....do you see what I see?
The first memo dated 11/23/63 describes George HW Bush as President of Zapata
and the 2nd memo dates 11/29/63 describes him as "of the CIA".

I never noticed that before and have seen the memos in the past.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 10:32 AM
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12. they don't have to be mutually exclusive.
I believe the thought is that Hoover wanted to put in record a link to Bush.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:10 PM
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22. i'm tellin' ya, this shit gets crazier and crazier the closer you look.
there's mountains of info and personal testimony on the bush klan.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 11:29 AM
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13. they're also cousins too.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 11:44 AM
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16. Who are cousins?
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 11:47 AM
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17. the hinckleys & bushes.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:38 PM
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28. seventh cousins, but you knew that
google brought me this when I looked for how distantly they were related

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3370342

7th is pretty distant. Most people have tens of thousands of 7th cousins and have no clue who they are. It turns out I am a 10th cousin of George W. Bush by one line and an 11th cousin by two other lines. There are nine connections between myself and Sarah Palin through the Upson, Everett, Hull and Bryan families. I am also a 7th cousin four times removed of FDR.

Back in the 1970s my uncle made some friends that it turns out were second cousins. They found that out fairly soon, but did not know that when they first met.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:41 PM
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29. thanks for the link! lot of great info in that thread.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:02 PM
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30. it might be distant, but a couple of mitigating factors - the families lived in the same
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 01:15 PM by Hannah Bell
connecticut town for several generations, & just a couple of generations after the "place" connection is broken, you find the families linked once again through business ties.

i did the research once after discovering the same connections the op did.

John Hinkley = Great grandson of one of the founders & funders of the University of Chicago, Francis Edward Hinckley. The other founders were: JD Rockefeller, Marshall Fields, Frederick T. Gates, TW Goodspeed & Nelson Blake.

http://books.google.com/books?id=RLo1AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA1005...

FE Hinckley also owned the Chicago & St. Louis, Chicago & Iowa railroads.

He was a railroad magnate in the era of EH Harriman, rail tycoon, associate of the Walker-Bush tribe.

Samuel Bush (Prescott's dad, GWB's great-grandpa) ran Buckeye Steel for Frank Rockefeller, brother of JD, founder of U. of Chicago with Hinckley's grandpa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_P._Bush


and there are more tentative business connections even before that.

on edit: i see you found my thread. anyway, best i remember, there are only two generations out of the seven where you can't find them linked somehow.


You mention you're a 7th cousin 4 times removed of fdr. people say things like that like it's the same thing, but the fact is, there's no comparison. that's 11 generations, & i'm guessing your family wasn't listed in the social register for most of them.

both the walker-bushes & hinckleys were, for generations, or closely connected to people who were, & that's a much smaller world, as you notice when you start doing the genealogies.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:07 PM
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31. an amazing thread it was!
and all of this is amazing info as well.

i swear there is no end to this.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:40 PM
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36. if you like that sort of thing, here's more:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Hannah%20Bell/68

("journal" messed up my chart, but bush = cousin of howard dean & bill gates too - i believe 7th & 8th, but it's too hard to tell from the messed-up chart)


obama cousins (bush also a cousin, though i didn't put it on this version)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5245317&mesg_id=5252689


farish (standard oil) geneaology, also a bush business connection.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Hannah%20Bell/58


bill richardson genealogy = citibank/rockefeller:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4771159


& a very interesting lecture on morgan syndicate, 1800s on - real historian, not tin foil-associated...university of houston.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5558484&mesg_id=5558484


i'm very interested in working out these connections, most people scoff.

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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:12 PM
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37. let them scoff.
the depths of these connections go beyond comprehension. most people don't want to wake up. mental slumber is much easier.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:05 PM
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42. Do you remember that artist who drew the links between all these elites?
Mark something, I always forget his last name. "Committed suicide" his drawings were mesmerizing, quite beautiful despite the subject.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:07 PM
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43. this guy?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:11 PM
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44. Yes! Thank you! I don't know why I always forget his last name. nt
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:56 PM
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47. And Obama and Bush are both Hinckley descendents
See http://www.wargs.com/political/obama.html. In Obama's ancestral line though, the family moved to New Jersey at an early point instead of hanging around Connecticut and getting rich and corrupt.

I see from your links that you've also chased after the Farish/Hughes/Lummis connections. You might be interested in looking into the CapStreet Group of Houston (formerly Summit Capital Group) which was founded by Frederick Rice Lummis II. I ran into CapStreet a while back as one of the major investors in voting machine company Hart InterCivic (along with a number of other Bush-connected entities).

I've got the relationships right, Frederick Rice Lummis II is the son of William Rice Lummis, who is the son of the elder Frederick Rice Lummis. William (a longtime law partner of James Baker III) was the administrator of the Hughes estate after Howard Hughes died in 1976 and led the successful legal fight on behalf of his mother and siblings.

As far as I'm concerned, the Obama-Bush relationship is merely a novelty item -- but these Texas connections go far deeper and are a lot more politically significant.



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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 09:36 PM
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53. thanks for the info. bush is also related to james a baker III -but it
seems most of the social register is r/t each other somehow.

i'm not so sure about the obama connection being exactly a novelty, but i agree, the texas orbit is interesting!
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:33 PM
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40. What was the Connecticut town?
I think the social connection is more important than the family one.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:52 PM
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41. wethersfield, i think. i'd have to go back & check my notes, i was looking at
sibs too.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:07 PM
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18. correct. dating back to Samuel Hinckley i believe back in the late 1600's.
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 11:33 AM
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14. Reagan was Poppy Bushes mind controlled puppet.
He had a connection to the Kennedy assassination to.
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 11:35 AM
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15. Poppy also had dinner with one of the Bin Ladens before 9/11
And they had Osamas family flown out of the US right after 9/11
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:08 PM
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19. woah!
don't get me sent to the dungeon bro!

lol
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:10 PM
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21. Is that where they keep all of Poppys mind control experiments?
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:12 PM
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23. one could assume that whilst peeking in from time to time. lol
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:12 PM
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24. funny--my husband just mentioned to me that Mark David Chapman is also a Bush family friend
I always want put air-quotes around the idea of the Bushes and their "friends"

They seem to be close to a lot of mass murderers, insane folks and assassins.
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:20 PM
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25. Poppy Bush and his CIA mind control experiments.
The Bush Family is classy
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 06:46 PM
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52. i don't think he's a bush friend-but check out this video..

MIND GAMES: John Lennon & The Manchurian Candidate(4 mins. long)

"They can kill the messenger, but they can't kill the message."
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 04:39 PM
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56. Regarding Chapman, Hinckley & Bush, here's a deeper trip down the rabbit hole.
On the 25th anniversary of John Lennon's assassination, imagine . . .
By Jerry Mazza

snip

Who Was Jose Perdomo?

Imagine Jose Joaquin Sanjenis Perdomo. According to Cuban Information Archives and Salvador Austucia, author of Rethinking John Lennon's Assassination, Perdomo was also known as "Joaquin Sanjenis," and "Sam Jenis." He was mostly known as an anti-Castro Cuban exile and a member of Brigade 2506 during the Bay of Pigs Invasion in 1961, a miserably failed CIA operation, which cost Company Head Allan Dulles his job, and maybe John F. Kennedy his life, also by a mythic lone gunman, who turned out to play patsy, too. In fact, during that evening, while Chapman waited hours for Lennon's return, Perdomo had spoken at length with him about the invasion and Cuban American politics. Strange topics for strangers, one waiting for a rock star.

Imagine Officer Cullen remained troubled with Perdomo's claim that Chapman was the killer. Cullen later told reporter James R. Gains of People Magazine in a Feb. 23, 1987, piece, "The Man Who Shot Lennon" that: "He looked like a guy who worked in a bank, an office. Not a loser or anything, just a guy out there trying to earn a living. I remember taking a look at him and saying, 'Why? What did you do here?' He really had no answer for it. He did say several times, 'I'm sorry I gave you guys so much trouble.'"

Imagine Perdomo had reason to insist Mark was the man. Perdomo, aka Sanjenis, had worked side by side, ah yes, with convicted and now deceased Watergate burglar Frank Sturgis for about a decade on the CIA payroll. Sturgis misleadingly claimed Joaquin Sanjenis died of natural causes in 1974. He claimed it was the Company's way of keeping Sanjenis' anonymity. His family wasn't even notified of his supposed death till after the funeral. In fact, Sanjenis/Perdomo may still be alive, plumbing in some near or far outpost. There's always work for anonymous men who know how to do what needs to be done and vanish. Ole!

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"Sanjenis was an opportunistic little man who managed to punch a CIA meal ticket the rest of his life. When he met Sturgis he was filling a bucket or rotten eggs, which would become Operation 40 -- the secret police of the Cuban invasion force. The ultrasecret Operation 40 included some nonpolitical, conservative exile businessmen, but its hard core was made up of dice players at the foot of the cross -- informers, assassins-for-hire, and mob henchmen whose sworn goal was to make the counterrevolution safe for the comfortable ways of the old Cuba. They were the elite troops of the old guard within the exile movement, who made effective alliance with CIA right-wingers against CIA liberals . . .

"Sanjenis got Sturgis a CIA maildrop and gave him the right phone numbers, and Sturgis agreed to coordinate his own operations with Sanjenis and work on a contract basis on special agency assignments . . .

"Sanjenis had launched scores of ships and planes on clandestine raids against Cuba and had sent hundreds of men on missions from which there had been no return. . . . There were no official missing-in-action reports in the Secret War against Cuba. It was Joaquin Sanjenis' job to keep his troops, as himself, faceless." And so he was, and lived up to his character references.

snip

Imagine, on an equally dark note, Mark White in his political comic strip, Dead Silence in the Brain, reports that as a young man Mark Chapman began working at a Laotian refugee camp. The camp was run by World Vision, an evangelical charity which runs refugee camps worldwide. It has assisted in numerous CIA operations. Its camps along the Honduran border, for instance, were used to recruit the death squads of El Salvador . . . Researcher John Judge writes, "World Vision appears to be an elaborate cover for the recruitment, training and placement of assassins worldwide." So I don't think Chapman was picked from a hat from the general population. I think he had had intense behavioral conditioning for the Lennon assassination, though I don't think he was the triggerman. I believe he was too much of a risk as a Manchurian Candidate, even at close range. So Perdomo & Associates lent a helping hand.

snip

Imagine that was the case right down to Ronald Reagan's assassination attempt (only three months after Lennon's assassination) by John Hinckley, Jr., the son of John Hinckley, Sr., an old Texas oilman crony of George H. W. Bush. The two families had a history, going back to the1960s in Texas, when Bush and John Hinckley, Sr., got filthy rich together in the oil business and both circulated in the same elegantly greasy circles. Rumor has it the older Hinckley son, Scott, was scheduled to have dinner with Neil Bush on the night Reagan was shot. What some have called a Bushwhack occurred at about 2:30 in the afternoon of March 30, 1981, as Reagan was leaving the Washington Hilton, after making a speech. Bush was conveniently out of town.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_300.shtml

Mazza leaves the most fascinating connection out of his article. World Vision, the evangelical charity/CIA front that employed Mark David Chapman, had as its president one John Hinckley Sr.

John Hinckley Sr. was president of World Vision, a right wing evangelical association which describes itself as the largest “international Christian relief and development agency” active in the third world, beginning in 1976. He was president of the organization when Mark David Chapman was working for it, one of its lost boys. The organization has deep ties to the intelligence community and has assisted the CIA in many of its projects. Its largest contributor is the U.S. State Department Agency for International Development.

http://www.davidcogswell.com/MediaRoulette/BushHinckley.html
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 06:46 PM
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57. thanks for the reminder. i knew there was some hinckley-chapman connection,
but couldn't remember what.

i sort of always wondered whether lennon was killed for funding the IRA & the like, actually.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 07:11 PM
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58. Interesting theory. Perhaps the CIA was doing MI-5 a favor.
Notice how in that Online Journal link there are many MIC connections between USA & UK as well.

Yoko Ono claimed that Lennon never knowingly funded the IRA, his intentions were completely for charitable purposes. Not that it would matter to MI-5, who David Shayler claims had documents Lennon did fund the IRA.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/651978.stm

But I haven't seen any evidence proving British intelligence behind his assassination. But the fingerprints of CIA all over it wouldn't necessarily exclude a connection.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 07:15 PM
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59. Lennon was said to be a serious funder of left politics back in the day,
including the ira - that's why i always wondered.

but more recently it's turned out mi5, etc., were also "helping" the ira, so who knows what the truth is.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:21 PM
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26. K&R for all the people who don't think Bush could possibly be involved in assassinations.
There are many fools here who think the Bushes are oh-so-innocent when it comes to killing US Presidents.
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islandgirl808 Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:10 PM
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33. you guys, this is some crazy shit!
don't let them touch our president!!!

:tinfoilhat:
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:13 PM
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34. You should read DUer Octafish's stuff
Octafish has the best collection of researched material on the bfee.bar none.A regular treasure trove of information that is well worth taking the time to wade through.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:27 PM
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35. thank you for ther head's up!
i've done some journal searches on some other DUers before. makes me feel like i'm the laziest person here at DU with as much research as some people here have done. lol
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 05:38 PM
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51. Absolutely. Octafish "has the best collection of researched material on the bfee bar none"
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:12 PM
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38. 5th rec
proud to get this issue over the top.

Nice tenacity, there, Mr. Brice!

-90% Jimmy
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:26 PM
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39. THANK YOU!!!
i try. lol
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:31 PM
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46. K&R. nt
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 05:21 PM
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48. I find the connection with Zapata and the ship "Barbara" at the Bay of Pigs
very interesting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapata_Corporation

The CIA codename for the Bay of Pigs invasion of April 1961 was "Operation Zapata".<13> Through his work with Zapata Off-Shore, Bush is alleged to have come into contact with Felix Rodriguez, Barry Seal, Porter Goss, and E. Howard Hunt, around the time of the Bay of Pigs operation.<14>

CIA liaison officer Col. L. (Leroy) Fletcher Prouty alleges<15> that Zapata Off-Shore provided or was used as cover for two of the ships used in the Bay of Pigs invasion: the Barbara J and Houston. Prouty claims he delivered two ships to an inactive Naval Base near Elizabeth City, North Carolina, for a CIA contact and he suspected very strongly that George Bush must have been involved:

They asked me to see if we could find – purchase – a couple of transport ships. We got some people that were in that business, and they went along the coast and they found two old ships that we purchased and sent down to Elizabeth City and began to load with an awful lot of trucks that the Army was sending down there. We deck-loaded the trucks, and got all of their supplies on board. Everything that they needed was on two ships. It was rather interesting to note, looking back these days, that one of the ships was called the Houston, and the other ship was called the Barbara J. Colonel Hawkins had renamed the program as we selected a name for the Bay of Pigs operation. The code name was "Zapata." I was thinking a few months ago of what a coincidence that is. When Mr. Bush graduated from Yale, back there in the days when I was a professor at Yale, he formed an oil company, called "Zapata", with a man, Lieddke, who later on became president of Pennzoil. But the company that Lieddke and Mr. Bush formed was the Zapata Oil Company. Mr. Bush's wife's name is Barbara J. And Mr. Bush claims as his hometown Houston, Texas. Now the triple coincidence there is strange; but I think it's interesting. I know nothing about its meaning. But these invasion ships were the Barbara J and the Houston, and the program was "Zapata." George Bush must have been somewhere around.<16>

John Loftus writes: "Prouty's credibility, however has been widely attacked because of his consultancy to Oliver Stone's film JFK." but notes on page 598 that: "While his credibility has suffered greatly because of his consultancy to Oliver Stone's film JFK, his recollections about the CIA supply mission have been confirmed by other sources."<17>

Nevertheless, researcher James K. Olmstead claims to have discovered a CIA memorandum which states that the boats were leased, not purchased, by the Garcia Line Corporation with offices in Havana and New York City. The owners were Alfredo Garcia and his five sons. The CIA was using the Rio Escondido for "exfiltrating anti-Castro leaders......prior to 1961 BOP planning." It had brought out Nino Diaz, and Manolo Ray. Its captain Gus Tirado was well known to the CIA. Eduardo Garcia met with two CIA agents in NYC and D.C. to arrange the use of the Garcia ships for the invasion. The alleged price was $600.00 per day per ship plus fuel, food and personnel.

Eduardo selected and hired 30 men who were "executioners for Batista" Miro Cardona of the Frente and the CIA did not like the choice of men hired to protect the Garcia ships. "Nobody questioned that Eduardo was coming along with the expedition. "I'm going to be in charge of my ships", he said.

Memorandum From the Chief of WH/4/PM, Central Intelligence Agency (Hawkins) to the Chief of WH/4 of the Directorate for Plans (Esterline) The Barbara J (LCI), now enroute to the United States from Puerto Rico, requires repairs which may take up to two weeks for completion. The sister ship, the Blagar, is outfitting in Miami, and its crew is being assembled. It is expected that both vessels will be fully operational by mid-January at the latest. In view of the difficulty and delay encountered in purchasing, outfitting and readying for sea the two LCI's, the decision has been reached to purchase no more major vessels, but to charter them instead. The motor ship, Rio Escondido (converted LCT) will be chartered this week and one additional steam ship, somewhat larger, will be chartered early in February. Both ships belong to a Panamanian Corporation controlled by the Garcia family of Cuba, who are actively cooperating with this Project. These two ships will provide sufficient lift for troops and supplies in the invasion operation.

The Bay of Pigs operation was directed out of the "Miami Station" (also known as "JM/WAVE"), which was the CIA's largest station worldwide. It housed 200 agents who handled approximately 2,000 Cubans. Robert Reynolds was the CIA's Miami station chief from September 1960 to October 1961. He was replaced by career-CIA officer Theodore Shackley, who oversaw Operation Mongoose, Operation 40 (including Porter Goss, Felix Rodriguez, Barry Seal), and others. When Bush became CIA Director in 1976 he appointed Ted Shackley as Deputy Director of Covert Operations. When Bush became Vice President in 1981, he appointed Donald Gregg as his National Security Advisor.

Kevin Phillips<18> discusses George Bush's "highly likely" peripheral role in the Bay of Pigs events. He points to the leadership role of Bush's fellow Skull and Bones alumni in organizing the operation. He notes an additional personal factor for Bush: the Walker side of the family (who initially funded Zapata Corporation) had apparently lost a small fortune when Fidel Castro nationalized their West Indies Sugar Co. Edwin Pauley was "known for CIA connections", according to Phillips, it was Pauley who put Pemargo's Diaz and Bush together.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 05:28 PM
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49. and I have to add an addendum
because of the last paragraph above:


This photograph was taken in a nightclub in Mexico City on 22nd January, 1963. It
is believed that the men in the photograph are all members of Operation 40. It has
been argued that closest to the camera on the left is Felix Rodriguez. Next to him is Porter Goss and Barry Seal. Tosh Plumlee is attempting to hide his face with his coat. Others in the picture are Alberto 'Loco' Blanco (3rd right) and Jorgo Robreno (4th right).

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgoss.htm
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 05:30 PM
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50. Also from Kevin Phillips, the Bush family connection as to why they hated Castro:
KEVIN PHILLIPS: George H. Walker was a real piece of work. I mean, he was a buccaneer. He was sort of a Joe Kennedy, but with a social register type qualification. He got involved in the 1920's with a bunch of Cuban companies, because of his ties to Percy Rockefeller and the National City Bank. They handled a lot of investments in Cuba. He was a director during the 1920's of eight or nine Cuban companies. George H. Walker had ties to the -- investment ties that were independent, so he had invested in some of these companies. One of them turned out several -- several turned out to merge into something called West Indies Sugar. West Indies Sugar became one of the major American companies in Cuba, and George H. Walker Jr., the son of George H. Walker and Prescott, Bush's cousin was a director, held a family seat on West Indies Sugar. Now during the late 1950's, West Indies Sugar was based in the Indy province in Cuba. That's where the Castro insurgency was developing. Castro and his people sort of shook down West Indies Sugar. They used their trucks and hit them up for money and so forth. They were unhappy with the Castro movement. In 1959 or 1960, I forget which year, Castro's people nationalized West Indies Sugar, and at this time George H. W. Bush's uncle was Director of West Indies Sugar. The value of West Indies sugar had been about $50 million and it wound up being virtually peanuts. I don't know how much their stake was. I couldn't begin to guess. It may not have been nearly as much as one would suggest from the bigger numbers. They were an unhappy set of campers when West Indies Sugar went bye-bye.

-snip

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/01/12/1448237

follow the money.
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55. K&R
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