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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 11:41 AM
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What is the difference in the "swine" flu and just the "flu"?
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 11:43 AM by Blue_Roses
They are the same symptoms. I had the flu a few weeks ago and the doctor said it has to "run it's course" because antibiotics didn't work against it. Tamiflu was given but still didn't make much difference.

Here's the info on swine flu:

The swine flu is a viral infection that originates from pigs. It was first isolated from pigs in the 1930s. Antibiotics do not help. Symptoms of infection with the swine flu are similar to the the regular influenza virus most are familiar with. Most infected will do fine. Those who are immune compromised, older or pregnant may be at higher risk of complications or serious respiratory illness. The most common symptoms include:

• Cough
• Congestion
• Nasal Congestion
• Body aches
• Joint Pains
• Fevers
• Sore throat
• Headaches
• Fatigue
• Decreased energy
• Rarely death


Here are the symptons of the flu:
Flu symptoms can be mild or severe — and if they’re mild can become severe without much notice. Be aware of your body and monitor your body temperature. Flu symptoms can come on suddenly — be sure you know your treatment and prevention options so you can be prepared.

The common symptoms of the flu include:

* Fever (usually high)
* Headache
* Muscle aches
* Chills
* Extreme tiredness
* Dry cough
* Runny nose may also occur but is more common in children than adults
* Stomach symptoms, such as nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea, may also occur but are more common in children than adults
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 11:51 AM
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1. influenza is characterized in different ways, including wild host type....
The Wikipedia article on influenza does a pretty good job of describing them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 11:53 AM
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2. An article in the London Times did mention that we have only
been hearing about the extreme cases. For all we know this may have been floating around and people have been getting sick with it for several weeks.

Last month I had what I though was an awful cold, now I wonder what it may have been (and I wonder about some of ailments friends and family have had over the last couple months). I've had a Type A influenza in the past and that may give some immunity to this bug so it's not impossible that I've had (or would have) a milder case.


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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:01 PM
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6. I got sick about three weeks ago and still have
the cough and congestion. I had high fever for a few days and I was MISERABLE! I had all the symptoms listed--and I live in Texas! so who knows...

also, I love ham ;)
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 01:02 PM
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12. you too? i`ve had pretty much the same thing
up here in illinois it was 80 last friday and i felt pretty good after the temp dropped and the rains started...yuck.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 11:54 AM
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3. every once in awhile a flu strain comes along which is radical in design (as it were)
so that people who ordinarily would have some resistance from previous flu exposure simply don't have the T cells fo the new strain. Therefore more get sick, and symptoms more severe.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 11:57 AM
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4. So far, about thirty six thousand deaths in this country annually
That's how many people are killed by the regular plain old seasonal flu.

The swine flu on the other hand has killed what, one person in this country.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 11:57 AM
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5. Swine flu kills a few hundred, regular flu tens of thousands
That's probably the biggest difference
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:15 PM
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10. lots of misconception about this....
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 12:17 PM by mike_c
Swine flu IS "regular flu." It's an H1N1 type A influenza virus.

Influenza is a genetically diverse beast that evolves very rapidly-- it's the rapid evolution that creates so many variants. The variants are all still the same "species" in as far as the species concept can be applied to viruses, which is mainly by analogy. One of the ways flu can evolve is by recombination with parts of the genome from other flu variants when these occur together in the same host. This is fundamentally no different than the genetic recombination that takes place during sexual reproduction in humans, which still results in "regular" people (just to be clear, the mechanisms are different, but the result is fundamentally similar).

The swine flu is unique among currently circulating flu varieties because it contains parts of the genomes of flu varieties that normally infect bird, parts from flu that normally infects humans, and parts from flu that normally infects pigs. Influenza does this all the time-- every "regular flu" variety has some genetic history just like this. This particular combination is one that has never been seen before, just like your genome is a combination of genes that is unique. But you're still human, nonetheless, and swine flu is still type A H1N1 influenza.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:17 PM
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11. Missing the point much?
Mexican flu is killing YOUNG HEALTHY ADULTS IN EARLY SPRING. Wrong demo, wrong time. That's what's scaring the wits out of world governments.

Then again, there's the documentation that the 1918 pandemic came in three stages: early summer, MILD. Fall and winter, DEADLY.

Will it play out that way? NOBODY KNOWS. That's why they are getting ready. JUST IN CASE.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:07 PM
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7. Swine flu is a specific kind of influenza.
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 12:21 PM by backscatter712
Most garden-variety influenzas have been going from human to human for a long time, mutating a little bit, gradually changing to a form that immune systems that fought off last year's variety don't quite recognize. It sees a few pieces, but doesn't quite recognize the virus, and the result for most people is a few days of fever, cough, sniffles, the usual symptoms, and such before the immune system catches on and beats down this year's virus.

Swine flu is named such because it came from pigs. Actually, it only mostly came from pigs, but a pig sneezed, passed it to a human, which is fairly difficult for viruses because it's jumping the species barrier. Anyways, it mixed with a human variety of influenza, got some of its genes, and the result is a virus that passes from human to human easily, but has so much new stuff on its proteins that human immune systems have no idea what it is. Throw in some random genes from avian influenza that have been floating around and you've got this year's flavor.

Thus the vaccines we have currently won't work on swine flu. There's no herd immunity because the proteins in the virus are so novel, so it's likely to spread like wildfire. Swine flu is also more dangerous than other flus because it may cause the immune system to freak out and cause a cytokine storm - the result is that your lungs get chewed up and clogged full of snot (essentially a form of pneumonia,) and some people die from it. Sometimes, healthy young adults die from cytokine storms.

Don't panic too much. For most people, if they get it, it'll be a few days of fever, chills, cough, sniffles, then the immune system will do its job and beat the virus down. It's just that the risks of something going wrong in the immune system are probably a bit higher - there's a lot of complex biological behavior moderated by chemical messages - with this virus, there's a higher likelihood (but still in single-digit-percentages) that there will be a chemical message misfire in the immune system, causing a cytokine storm.

It's not quite up there with Captain Trips, but epidemiologists are pretty concerned.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:10 PM
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8. We have some sort of flu here. Have all of the symptoms of regular flu except
the cough. As to the swine flu, we are lacking the cough and sore throat, but also have the stomach issues. Been going on for over a week now and we are darned tired of it!
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:11 PM
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9. swine flu evidently has a better PR firm
nt
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