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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 08:50 PM Original message |
Dear Governor Dean, we need to talk about what you said about the 70s "left" in our party. |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. Dean said that? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I was not surprised....just upset. |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
2. If he said that |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 08:55 PM Original message |
The dirty f*cking hippies were right |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
9. Yes, the DFHs were completely right. |
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tabbycat31 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
16. I'd fit a 70s "far left liberal" pretty well |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
67. I fit the far left liberal bit too |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
3. ohhhh ffffffuuuuuuucccccckkkkkkkkk .... he did not say that ... apology Howard; now is good |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
5. I respect your view on his comments, but I think you |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Not true. I have alway known he was a centrist. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. It Is Always A Pleasure, Ma'am, To Find Myself In Agreement With Gov. Dean |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. No worries for the conservative wing of the party, Magistrate. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. The 'Far Left' In That Period, Ma'am, Was Like The Present Extreme Right In This Particular |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Not true. I was a staunch Southern Baptist, a Republican family. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. The Statement, Ma'am, Is Not That No One Liked Them |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:01 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. It is and has been his honest opinion of the "the left". |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Gov. Dean, Ma'am, Seems Competent To Handle His Own Affairs.... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:07 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. But he appears to be distancing from the base of the party... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:13 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Just Who Comprises The 'Base' Of The Party, Ma'am |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. The base is whoever you say it is, Magistrate. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:20 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. The Base Of Any Organization, Ma'am, Is That Body Of Persons Who Can Be Relied On For Its Support |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:24 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. They will learn their base in 2010 and 2012 if they keep going right. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:29 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Here We Agree, Ma'am |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 07:45 AM Response to Reply #44 |
59. Well said MF....I heard Dean's comments. He also said the same thing |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Why should I care about 40 more years if the policies of the 70s Dems affront and offend you? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. You Should Not, Sir, Mistake Dispassionate Analysis Of An Event |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. They have done this to anti-war people through the years in our country. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:01 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. To The Degree An Opinion Is Based On Fact, Ma'am, The Question Of Proof Will Arise.... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #33 |
39. It is quite possible to do evil in a smooth-talking, smiling manner |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:18 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Absolutely It Is, Ma'am.... |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 07:52 AM Response to Reply #39 |
61. I find comfort in Firedoglake, Digby and other sites...who |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Just As Today, Ma'am, It Is Extremists On The Right Who Draw The Attention Of The People |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. The extreme right is about hate, war, and greed |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. That, Sir, Is Immaterial To the Observed Fact |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. I don't really give a damn what many people thing of leftists |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Then You Are Not Well Suited, Sir, To Analyzing And Participating In Political Actionn |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Meanwhile we have the very sane Magistrate.... |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. I vote in 2 countries |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. I am not crazy |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Don't let him get to you. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #88 |
99. thanks |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
70. Stephen Jay Gould? the deceased biologist? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:58 AM Response to Reply #21 |
53. what I alway find amazing is how people on DU deny this. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
72. it was not the actions of people on the left, it was corporate media |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. Sure...SDS, weathermen, etc., all inventions of the corporate media |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. the idea that these organizatons were wrong |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 02:03 AM Response to Reply #85 |
95. Planting bombs != a peace movement, sorry |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #72 |
80. That, Sir, is Anachronistic as A Clock Chiming Twelve In MacBeth.... |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. we found something we totally agree on |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. Always A Pleasure To Find Points Of Agreement, Sir! |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 02:48 AM Response to Reply #80 |
96. +1. Motivations don't automatically justify methodologies. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:41 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. you are right |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
73. it was not the actions of people on the left, it was corporate media |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
68. Johnson fucked up with Vietnam |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
79. +1 |
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Elidor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
101. Ah, yes. Political expediency must always trump moral principles |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. yep, spot on. |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. I was a Deaniac as well. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
6. lol |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
10. definite dissapointment. |
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kohodog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
11. Yuck |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
14. I think he was saying |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #14 |
42. That's the problem. The Democrats look on "the left" as a stigma. |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:34 AM Response to Reply #14 |
48. I agree |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
15. Will the left throw Dean under the bus? lol |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. This post "The Dirty F***king HIppies were right?" got 207 recommends. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
65. Just because we have been right about everything |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
69. you hippies were and are still right |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
17. I was a member of the left in the 70s |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #17 |
47. And the hatred and bigotry from the right wing only gives them more love... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
19. Et tu, Howard? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
25. Guess Howard would have shit himself over the Left of the 1930s |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. The problem in the party during the 70s was leadership, not the left. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. The left has usually right....and nearly always been shunned. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:01 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. They were embarrassed when Nixon really did turn out to be a criminal |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 08:01 AM Response to Reply #29 |
63. But at the heart of all matters in D.C. one only needs to FOLLOW THE MONEY. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
93. That's my Left. Back then we didn't fuck around. nt |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
30. Fortunately I'm way too young to care about the Boomers' political soap operas 35 years ago. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Without those "soap operas" there would be no Obama and |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
66. plus his sorry ass would be drafted in Iraqistan right now. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #30 |
76. you have a quote from FDR on the bottom of your posts |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
37. Uh-oh. Is there some tension between MF and her Howie? |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
45. FAIL: He said, "Just like we had to overcome the far left in the seventies" He is right. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. I am sorry, but the conservative Democrats consider all of us far left. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:46 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. I think he was talking about a very visible and disruptive element. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:54 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. He couldn't have been talking about any fringe because fringe |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:50 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. The anti-war movement defined the far left in that era. n/t |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 07:56 AM Response to Reply #51 |
62. And the anti-war left will WORK to end the occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan - yet no credit. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 01:33 AM Response to Reply #45 |
94. the "far left" of the 70s had nothing to do with the democratic party. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:16 AM Response to Original message |
54. Dean is spot on |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:21 AM Response to Original message |
55. I'm not sure I agree with Dean but I do have a gripe that is somewhat along the same lines. |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
56. I think a useful addition to this discussion would be... |
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RevolutionToday (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 07:10 AM Response to Original message |
57. The problem with the Democratic left |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
58. That really hurts. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
60. Perhaps CNBC has brought the "Corporations Know Best" philosophy back HOME to Dr. Dean. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
74. "Liberals" aren't averse to Red Baiting. |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
87. I'm not sure why this shocks anyone. Dean's never been a "leftist" |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. I was speaking as one tired of "the left" being villified. |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 09:46 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. OK, fair enough |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
92. The hippy wing only cares about social issues. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #92 |
100. do you mean they do not care enough about workers? |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
98. You should not be surprised. |
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