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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:22 PM Original message |
For those defending the 17 Dems who voted against the Matthew Shepard Act |
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jesus_of_suburbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. And they (the Dems) should vote for civil rights anyway. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Exactly. |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
3. Only excuse is bigotry. Period. n/t |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
4. there are people actually defending these dems? |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Oh yes, they're making fun of "party purity" and the like. Apparently the party should not take a |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. sweet jesus on a pogo stick |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
25. Reprehensible. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. There are people who think the only point is to win elections |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. sounds more like a cult nt |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
65. It's the high school football syndrome. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 10:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
28. "Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything." n/t |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
6. Any one of them say (out loud), |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
7. The only defense I will give Shuler is that he was honest |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. he's a dim bulb who is not worth a penny of any Democratic money. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:31 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. trust me he didn't get a red cent out of me |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Poor Heath must have been sacked one too many times...... |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
35. You could have stopped after worthless. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
9. Had to check and make sure my Critter wasn't one of them. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. Mine voted Yay! |
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Somawas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
13. Why is violence that is motivated by bigotry any worse than violence motivated |
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nomorenomore08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Think of it like the difference between first-degree murder and manslaughter. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Well said. nt |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
37. I wish I could recommend your post. |
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nomorenomore08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Sure, go ahead! |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
58. I wish I could recommend your post. Thank you. n.t |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
63. murder is murder and manslaughter is manslaughter |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Hate crimes are a form of terrorism. (nt) |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. intimidation |
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Somawas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #19 |
31. Thank you. Of all the explanations I've heard given, that is the most convincing. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. we protect children |
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FudaFuda (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #34 |
61. We have always had sentencing ranges, judicial/jury discretion, and parole boards to deal with that. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. not true |
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FudaFuda (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
60. Don't worry, I agree with YOU. I don't get the logic behind hate crimes either. |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. A hate crime is when someone is targeted |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 10:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. Because the violent act terrorizes an entire minority community. nt |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #27 |
66. yes |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. Here's a useful way to think about that. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 03:36 AM Response to Reply #30 |
75. I think the two examples should be treated the same. nt |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:59 AM Response to Reply #13 |
46. Now ask why violence motivated by bigotry toward women is not considered Hate Crime? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:52 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. because women already have their own law with enhansed penalties |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #48 |
62. That's a rationalization, not an answer. Rape is a Hate Crime. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. The violence against women act does exactly what the hate crimes law is designed to do |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Names matter. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:37 AM Response to Reply #13 |
49. I can avoid making enemies personally . . . |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 09:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
54. Why is premeditated murder any worse than manslaughter? |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 03:05 AM Response to Reply #13 |
74. I'm personally on the fence a little about hate legislation |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 05:03 AM Response to Reply #13 |
76. Because when you target a person because of race, religion, etc. |
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LuvNewcastle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
15. My congressman voted no (Gene Taylor). |
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Fridays Child (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
20. Artur Davis? Why? I don't get it. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. He has always been right wing. |
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Fridays Child (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #29 |
40. I know little about him but his questioning of Monica Goodling... |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:22 AM Response to Reply #40 |
47. He's about to run for governor... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
24. Deleted sub-thread |
elshiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
26. 17 Democrats FAILED! |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
32. I hate to think there is any district in the country so hateful that a yes vote here |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
33. Even my DINO congresman voted for it, and there is no district more conservative |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
36. you won't find me defending them |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
38. Here is a list of no votes and those who did not vote who were Democrats. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Mostly Southern Dems....plus MN, PA, and IN |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. yep. how can they vote against a general hate crimes bill - it doesn't give GLBTers marriage rights |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:48 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Because their hatred of us has little to do with marriage. They want us extinguished |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #44 |
57. oh, that's right! I forgot. Yeah, I was reading some comments on youtube |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:37 AM Response to Reply #38 |
50. Well Pete Stark and George Miller are very good....they just didn't vote. |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:39 AM Response to Original message |
43. k*r We need to keep making this point. Thank you |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:49 AM Response to Original message |
45. good thing we have Specter in the Senate now, |
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badgerpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
51. Is my face red.... |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
52. there actually are people here defending it? what morans... |
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Blue Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
53. Wow. Greg Walden voted for it.... |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Poor Greg. He's an endangered specie |
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northofdenali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
56. No excuses and no defense. |
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RubyDuby in GA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
59. Even asshat Jim Marshall voted for it and he's the total SOB - the only Dem in the country - |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
68. Hell, even my Blue Dog critter voted for it. nt |
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TheBigotBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
70. Have any of them made a statement on their vote? |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Because -- they have a D after their name. That is good enough for some here. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
72. I'm a bit torn on your "no excuse" angle; are they REPRESENTATIVES or leaders? |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Coffman, Cassidy, and Walden represent very conservative districts. |
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