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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 11:47 AM
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O'Reilly transcript: Bill tries to attack Gore with RW talking points, Kerry defends him
Of course Bill used the occasion of John and Teresa's book as an excuse to try and attack Gore's environmentalism.

No surprise - Kerry backs up Gore.


>>>>>
O'REILLY: Now, your book, why should people invest time and money, Senator, in buying another book after Al Gore's book. Why should they do that?

J. KERRY: Well, as Al says on the book itself, this is very different. This is not just about global climate change. It's about a broad group of issues that concern all Americans. And it connects everybody. Red state, blue state, Republican, Democrat, conservative, liberal, they all have a stake in this.

And what we've done is taken the example of average Americans around the country, some of whom — one woman, Tweedy Blancette in New Mexico, was a Bush coordinator in 2000.

Rick Dove, who is a river keeper down in North Carolina, is a Marine, 67 years old, retired from a career in the Marines. And now he's working full-time trying to protect the surroundings around him.

These are the stories of people who are fighting to make a difference in their local communities but who are proving there's an enormous amount of money to be made by companies. There's a lot of jobs to be created. American dominance in the world market is at a stake. This is about jobs and our future. And it's a win-win if we do it right.

O'REILLY: Anything that gets us to clean energy and away from the Gulf and Hugo Chavez is all right with me.

Now Mrs. Kerry, when you hear Al Gore attacked for his big house in Tennessee. You got a lot of big houses. You guys are rich guys. And then, you know, some people who don't like you say, "Why are these people telling me what to do? Look at them. They're on their private jets. They've got their big mansions."

How do you respond to that?

T. KERRY: First of all, this isn't a book that divides Americans to who has and who doesn't have houses, apartments or whatever. The important thing is what do I do or what does anyone do about protecting our natural resources, whether it's oil and energy, whether it is planes and carbon sinks, whether it is cars and hybrids.

And more importantly, it's an invitation to other people to join us in figuring out how we live more reasonably. We don't have all the answers either. We're looking for them. It's hard.

And I am making a lot of changes and have been. And I'm not there yet. But we are both doing it.

O'REILLY: All right. Listen, again, I think you're right. I think that all Americans should come together and try to make this the cleanest country in the world and get away from these bad guys who are just exploiting us like crazy. And I think both parties will come together. I hope they do. But Senator...

J. KERRY: We hope we do, Bill. But you know, we're doing a lot of things like changing the kinds of vehicles we drive, trying to, you know, alter our homes, alter the energy use, the grid we use, the light bulbs we uses. I mean, all those kinds of things.

O'REILLY: Yes, everybody should do it. But isn't, you know — when you saw the grief Gore took for his big house, was that fair? Is it a fair shot?

J. KERRY: Well, actually his house, he buys from an alternative energy source. He buys carbon neutral and he buys green. So in fact, he's taken solid steps to try to address the fact he lives in a larger house.

The bigger issue is what are we going to do about the larger question of the emissions of carbon? If we build 140 coal fire plants the way we're planning to, and if China builds one coal fired plant a week over the next years, we're finished.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 11:53 AM
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1. I understand they're plugging a book...
...but why go on O'Reilly? They leave with O'Reilly smelling a little better and the Kerries smelling a little worse.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 11:58 AM
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5. Because even couch potatos can reduce their emissions.
And because what Kerry is talking about is making this effort to curtail global warming a bi-partisan thing.

Realistically we're all going to benefit or die depending on whether we attempt to form rational responsible responses or let the bozos with hard-ons for cash and oil determine our destinies.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 01:42 PM
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23. He is trying to reach everybody with the
idea that the air, water etc are being destroyed. Most liberals already agree, the people he needs to reach are O'Reily's audience. Kerry always does fine on Fox because he tells the truth and he is not one to lose control.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 01:55 PM
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24. Yeah, I know. Is O'Reilly really legitimate journalism?
How much damage to the environment have the rantings of RW TV and radio assholes caused, anyway? I just don't think we should be treating them like they were really journalists interested in the truth. This is the guy that said a child sex abuse and kidnapping victim thought his captivity was fun. This is the guy who invited Al Qeida to blow up Frisco. He is also the same guy who paid a six-figure sexual harassment settlement to a former employee. Do we want our people lending BO their legitimacy or degrading themselves by catering doing so?

I know what you mean, but I just don't think it is worth it. If they want to reach a conservative audience, they can go on regular, corporate news networks.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 02:35 PM
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26. Of course he's not legitimate journalism - very little on TV is
But that's where a huge % of the people get their news.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 09:20 PM
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37. O'Reilly is environment friendly
He's an asshole on many things, but I've heard him attack the RW for their lack of concern about global warming and the environment.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 11:53 AM
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2. Bill makes me sick. Kerry makes me proud. Some things never change.
Thanks for the transcript.

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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 11:54 AM
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3. One duly elected Dem president defending another
I would expect no less from him.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 09:10 PM
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34. Ohhhhh - you hit the nail on the head
:cry: :cry: :cry:

If only!
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 11:56 AM
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4.  Kerry validating fauxnews by going on oh really's show
is declaring defeat from the get go.

No matter what Kerry said or didn't say, oh really's got a bunch of tape to roll his eyes over and throw scorn at.

fauxnews, one
kerry, minus one
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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:03 PM
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6. Gotta disagree with you on this
What has to be done is not preach to the choir because they are in agreement with your cause, but go to those who do not agree with your point. If you can talk intelligently and not reduce yourself to the mentality of bozos like billy then you will probably convert a couple of rw'ers over.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:19 PM
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10. Why would a winger be won over with O'reilly rolling his eyes
and spitting out your name and calling you a lying democRAT with every other breath.

Sure O'reilly was nice enough during the interview, but the other 99% of the time he wipes the floor with Kerry's name. During each interview with a Dem, you can see the fauxnews hosts are sharing a secret joke with their audiences. "Look at this putz looser" is the message being passed between audience and fauxnews host.

Dems win nothing by going on fauxnews. They just add another kick me sign to their backs.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:36 PM
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14. While I totally "GET" that O'really is a backstabber & can't be trusted...
Not every person who watches FAUX is a winger.

Some people are just poor and only get a few channels. Getting Kerry on any of them with a solid message will reach SOME people.

Even if O'really puts a "kick me" sign on the back of Kerry, there is a point where viewers of FAUX.............. and here's where YOU can make a difference because "technically" since they are the airwaves EVERYONE has access to, even if you AREN'T a "typical" viewer, you are certainly welcome to write to the station whenever O'Really starts using this against Kerry and telling ALL your "friends" on DU to do the same.

You don't even have to "watch" him yourself if it makes you too ill to do so. Air America Radio has several segments like "Wheel of Right Wing Hypocrites" and "Reich Wing World" where you can get the general info, pull up the transcript and write in to FAUX to complain.

The point is this AIN'T about mr O'stinker boy.

THOSE AIRWAVES are OUR AIRWAVES. Bill is the intruder.

Kerry and other rational people speaking TRUTH to power are the ones who belong in the homes of EVERY American until the message is ringing out from NY to Pico Rivera and everywhere in between.



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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:10 PM
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8. Look I hate FAUX News as much as ANY DEM..
In fact, I'm of the opinion that the American People should post a group lawsuit against them for abridgement of the Truth in Advertising laws by calling themselves a "NEWS" Media Outlet anyway, but using "their" wattage and "their" platform to get the message out that SHOULD BE on the AIRWAVES that BELONG to WE THE PEOPLE anyway is no disgrace on our part.

SHOW the American People what they are missing so they start hungering for REAL News and REAL "FAIR & BALANCED" information.

Consider it a DE-Programer visiting millions of people in their homes on the signal power of the Cult Leader's station.

People who watch FAUX are being brain washed. This could be one of those "does not compute" items that churns in the back of their brain and causes them to wonder about a bigger world than the FAUX Network shows them.

It doesn't matter what O'Reilly does. He's SO irrelevant.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:11 PM
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9. I can see GOP candidates steering clear, but it's the JOB of other Democrats to
stay out there and counter the RW noise machine and defend each other.

That is what's been missing from the Dem party for the most part - as evidenced in their failure to defend Dems sticking their necks out against Bush and the GOPs from 2001-2005.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:48 PM
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16. You don't counter the RW noise machine by going on
a rabid right wing show and validate it. Kerry sitting there with the scroll on the screen saying Fox News Fair and Balanced. Not once did Kerry give any impression he was on anything other than a normal everyday fair and balanced political news show.

So now fauxnews can say to its sponsors and viewers, "hey we had that sad sack of a demoCRAT liar Kerry on which proves we are fair and balanced".
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 04:13 PM
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29. Yes you do. Look, if we're talking about sponsoring debates,
then I'm with you that Democrats should NOT let Fox News do that. But taking a page from the Right Wing Noise Machine book (and yes, they have had a lot of success in the last 30 years), it's a two pronged approach on Fox:

1. You incessantly attack them on their right wing bias
2. You continue to USE it to get your message out


I may add that the likes of Markos and other big bloggers, who were opposed to the Fox News sponsored debates, support this approach.

I realize there is disagreement, but hey -- Republicans go on Jon Stewart, who clearly is against Bush. Why can't Dems (especially good fighters like Kerry who can easily match wits with these guys) go on Fox?
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 06:18 PM
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31. GOPers go on Stewart because Stewart plays fair
Fauxnews will never play fair.


There is nothing a Dem could ever do or ever say that will ever change the fact that Ailes wants Dems to look bad on his station. Nothing. No message will ever be on the fauxnews airwaves except the message that Dems suck.

Your argument is that some idea is correct because you say some leftie bloggers believe in it. Could you get any more insulting? The rabid right follows orders from their RNC bloggers. The left side of the internets isn't so obedient.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 01:15 PM
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19. It's also OUR job to make sure media outlets give DEMS access.
The AIRWAVES are OUR AIRWAVES.

FAUX et al are only "leasing" them from the American People.

The NEWS Media is SUPPOSED to be our FOURTH Estate - while I don't claim to have a perfect definition for that I AM Entirely Clear on ONE thing:

NEWS Media pushing PROPAGANDA for the White House is TREASON against the concept of FOURTH Estate. The establishment of the MEDIA as FOURTH Estate was to shine the light on our politicians to make it possible to figure out the TRUTH about what happens in our country so the People could be the "deciders" and have solid information as the foundation for their educated opinion.

While we are a LONG way from having a "REAL FOURTH Estate" back again there have been strides made BY the People to reclaim our allies in the press. Thousands upon thousands of emails, phone calls and letters to these media outlets have changed the way they behave toward DEMS.

Between 2001-2005 DEMS have been fighting an uphill battle just to be HEARD on ANY Main Stream Media. I am not entirely sure that DEMS fail to defend one another, but I agree WE don't get to see it much.

Remember how Howard Dean had to make some sort of crazy statement just to get the Media to make fun of him in order to get his foot in the door?

Remember the days of John Gannon (Guckert)?

A "reporter" in the White House Press Corps who got preferential treatment because he would lob the "soft" questions to *ush so the itty bitty pRes didn't have to face Helen Thomas?

A "reporter" who had NO press credentials, was using a false identity AND who was a male prostitute in his spare time was the premier "go to guy" in the White House Press Corps and everyone else who asked "difficult" questions or challenged the pRes got "accidentally" "uninvited" to the next briefing.

I think Bill Maher's skewering of the subject was the very best.


I've been on DU when the call for action has gone out and WE have enmasse BODY SLAMMED the Media for mis-representing the evidence and for LYING to the public.

FAUX USED to play in our lunch room and they would read these critical letters and supportive letters to O'Really and he would try to spin them, but there has been a change.

O'Really would have previously been directly attacking Kerry on his show, interrupting him and trying to twist his words at the time of the interview. NOW we wait for the cowardly backstabbing. He's still a danger, like a lone coyote or two, but the size of his hunting pack has diminished to next to nothing.

AND OUR Reality Based responses are like a hundred pissed-off hungry eagles showing up to surround two lone coyotes.

The press DOES have it's power, but WE THE PEOPLE can still KICK THEIR ASS from here to 2008 until they SHAPE UP and get their head out of the administration's ass and their hands off of corporate America's tit.

WE THE PEOPLE just have to keep SLAPPING FAUX up side their media head until we jar loose some sensible reporting or make them run away like they are afraid we will shred them up and eat them for breakfast.










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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 02:04 PM
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25. Oops - meant to say I can see DEM candidates steering clear.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:09 PM
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7. Funny how it's always the Republican propagandists who play the class card.
Bill, Rush, and Sean have all gotten rich by preaching the politics of divisiveness....at this country's expense. When people point out how unfair the taxcode is, these people scream the blues that Democrats are pandering to the poor. But when the Democrats try to get unity of purpose on the macro issues like the environment and energy....these Republican mouthpieces can't play that class card fast enough.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:23 PM
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11. Actually isn't Bill O'Bozo playing the "hypocrite" card?
Since he probably has a big house but ISN'T telling anyone else to make changes by writing a book he is saying, "But I'm NOT a Hypocrite because I don't tell others to do what I myself am not doing."

Again the rethug mind set is from Bizarre World:

I only have to avoid the APPEARANCE of wrongdoing....

;-) ie don't get CAUGHT
:o ie even IF caught, feign outrage and deny everything
:hippie: ie find a way to blame a DEM to switch the focus
:+ AND if all else fails, go to rehab to become bulletproof

If I am RICH and simply act like the robber barron I am, I am HONEST.

ie NOT A HYPOCRITE

If I live in a BIG house and support companies that dump toxins in YOUR backyard,

at least I AM NOT Writing a BOOK that says it's WRONG of me to do that....

Because that would CAUSE the APPEARANCE of Wrongdoing to reflect back on me...


AND according to the rethug playbook the Constitution is at stake if the APPEARANCE of WRONGDOING is EVER reflected on the Republic via the 'publicans.



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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:26 PM
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12. Yeah, we really ought to get off oil in order to hurt the little people in Venezuela--
convert to ethanol or solar to deprive them of food, and schools, and small business loans, and universal medical care, and a bit of land to feed their families with.

"O'REILLY: Anything that gets us to clean energy and away from the Gulf and Hugo Chavez is all right with me."

That's about the most twisted thing I ever heard, since George Bush last talked about bringing 'freedom' to Iraq. But I guess I lead a protected life. I don't have TV.


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And then he repeats it!

"O'REILLY: Listen, again, I think you're right. I think that all Americans should come together and try to make this the cleanest country in the world and get away from these bad guys who are just exploiting us like crazy."

The "bad guys"? Does he mean the Iraqis we are "saving"? The people for whom US troops are supposedly dying? They're "bad guys"? Does he mean Iran, who hasn't hurt anybody--hasn't bombed anybody, hasn't invaded anybody? They're "bad guys" just because they own the oil that the Bush Cartel covets and would kill for? Does he mean Hugo Chavez who, unlike George Bush, has repeatedly been elected by the great majority of Venezuelans, in the cleanest, most highly monitored elections on earth? They're "bad guys" because...?

While Kerry suffers from terminal "win-win"-type, corporate/bureaucratic language, he's sparring with someone who truly is a "bad guy"--a liar, and a mangler of the truth. I appreciate his defense of Gore. Good thing he knew the facts. But doesn't he realize what a shafting this was--this fathead even bringing up the latest rightwing hypocrisy about Democrats' "big houses"? He should have called him on it, and asked him the square footage of HIS house.

But more than this, Kerry doesn't catch the implication of O'Reilly's smartass remarks about why HE thinks green energy is a good idea--the implication that he and his emperor, George Bush, invaded Iraq for their oil? That's their only interest in Iraq. Cuz Iraqis are the "bad guys" who have a natural right to it.




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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:51 PM
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17. They were on remote transmission - I think those listening for questions don't pick up
so much on the thrust apparent to us.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 01:31 PM
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20. Since we don't buy from Venezuela anyway...
Thing is, Kerry is helping O'Really "save face" in a way. It keeps Kamikaze Bill from doing a bonsai on the viewers and continuing this death dive into the "global warming is a crock-o-sh*t" rant Bill has previously used.

Even his words can be seen as a hedge-away position from the failed policies of this administration.


"O'REILLY: Listen, again, I think you're right. I think that all Americans should come together and try to make this the cleanest country in the world and get away from these bad guys who are just exploiting us like crazy."


Remember, Bill is one rethug who actually now has family in the Iraq war. His nephew is over there and not as well protected as John McCain was, so maybe Bill has a real reason to begin shifting toward the side of rational responses and away from using troops as fodder to distract the nation while bush co picks our pockets.

Also as much as it pains me that Hilary & Rupert Murdock worked together, if it makes the FAUX News machine give ANY quarter to the DEMS, I think WE can keep pushing for more.


And in a newer more DEM world in 2008 maybe we can just decide to NOT buy from Iraq or Iran and make an agreement with Chavez to reinstate Democracy in both countries at the same time and transfer all our business to them as a reward. After all, our needs could be so much LESS by then. OK maybe that's a bit of a pipe dream, but it IS a possible direction WHEN we take back the White House in 2008.



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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:52 PM
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27. We get 15% of our oil from Venezuela. And what makes you think that democracy
needs to be reinstated in Venezuela?

Venezuela's elections are among the most highly monitored on earth--by the OAS, the Carter Center and EU election monitoring groups, who have been permitted to crawl all over the country during campaigns and vote counting, and who have unanimously declared Venezuela's elections to be open and above board.

Venezuela, which uses electronic voting--but with the open source code (anyone may review the code by which the votes are counted)--handcounts FIFTY-FIVE PERCENT of the ballots, as a check against machine fraud. Know how much we handcount? ZERO percent in many states. No paper trail at all. And only 1% (entirely inadequate) in only the best states. And our system is run on 'TRADE SECRET, 'PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations (major fascist dirtbags). We have virtually zero checks and balances on our election system. This fascist coup in the U.S.--and this WAS the fascist coup--occurred during the 2002 to 2004 period, with a $3.9 billion electronic voting boondoggle from the Anthrax Congress that fasttracked these non-transparent voting machines all over the country, and furthermore created our biggest obstacle to reform--the lavish lobbying and corruption of many election officials and legislators.

Venezuelans are furthermore devoted to their Constitution, and they've all read it! And they all voted on it. The country now has nearly 100% literacy, due to the education policies of the Chavez government. Can we say the same here? I recommend the documentary "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised"--about the Bush-supported violent military coup against Chavez in 2002. You can get it from AxisOfLogic.com. You will see what has really been going on in Venezuela, and the Venezuelans' remarkable devotion to democracy and to constitutional government. They did what we only dreamed of people doing here--in 2000 and 2004. One million Venezuelans surrounded Miraflores Palace (the seat of government)--despite being shot at, and the constant threat of military force--and demanded the return of their elected president, and the reopening of the National Assembly (Congress) and the Supreme Court, all of which had been "suspended" by the rightwing military plotters (to applause by the Bush Junta!). And they succeeded! They won back their democracy. Such brave and admirable people!

Please examine these notions of Venezuela and Chavez, and of the great democracy movement that is sweeping Latin America, that get planted in our heads by our war profiteering corporate news monopolies. Leftist (majorityist) governments have now been elected in Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, Bolivia, Uruguay, Venezuela and Nicaragua--and there will be more coming in future elections (Peru, Paraguay, Mexico)--and the corporate rulers are scared shitless by this development, not only because majority rule makes Latin America much more difficult to plunder and oppress, but also because they think it might catch on here. That is the reason for the disinformation. A good counterforce is www.venezuelanalysis.com. Very informative web site, which keeps up with breaking events.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 06:57 PM
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32. Interesting. I knew some of that, but last I'd heard *ush refused oil from Venezuela.
Maybe I misunderstood. See, if I say I refuse to do business with someone, I don't only mean MORE business. But if we are getting 15% of our oil from Venezuela, I still say we are better off with them than the middle east since *ush wars have begun.

I knew that their elections were better than ours. I'm jealous at how much better.

Unfortunately, I haven't read much about the Chavez situation lately. I heard he'd tried to "make nice" with the US and was basically told he'd have to take the oil profits from the people and give it to the rich, so he turned to Castro as support to keep from having himself thrown out by the military opposition. I didn't blame him, but I didn't know if it would help him in the end.

I guess I thought Chavez was not liking America's version of Democracy much and was dabbling in Communism, which I don't think is inherently bad, but which has potential to be very badly administered.

I'd heard about their protests in the beginning, not when they were being shot at, but you know we barely get news of our own protests, so I'm not surprised to hear it. A person can't keep up on half the crap that goes on here under the MSM radar. Thanks for the site.

I'm very glad to hear that Venezuela and many Latin America countries are rising up like a tidal force to be reckoned with. Every little bit of that energy that is in the world helps us all to be stronger.



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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 04:17 PM
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30. It's proven in history that countries RICH in natural resources are
often the poorest. This is because the vultures always come to exploit them. The peoples of the Middle East will be better off long term, when they are freed from the Empire of Oil. Venezuela, too (don't think Chavez isn't using oil for power, because he is, manipulating elections all across Latin America by buying off local mayors and such).

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sandrakae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:30 PM
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13. It's a shame no Dem over defends Senator Kerry.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:43 PM
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15. Kerry is holding his own and he's doing what is right.
The disappointment when he didn't fight for US by challanging the election is something we ALL live with, like a burning "what if" that makes it hard to do more than respect him NOW for all he has done and all that he IS compared to what we wound up with.

I know there is a DIY Impeachment Movement, but I wish there were a way to do a "recall election" on the national level now that we KNOW Ohio was stolen and just GIVE Kerry this last year and a half of the term he won.

Ya' know? Why not?

Going to look that up.


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 12:53 PM
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18. If he had the legal evidence to make the case, he would have.
Kerry is not the type to back down if there is a legal basis to stay in the fight.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 04:12 PM
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28. Duh! The "legal evidence" was eaten by the paperless electronic voting machines,
run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations. That was the point--not to have any evidence. One third of the country voted without any capability at all of recounting the votes. And even where there was some kind of paper trail or ballot, 99% of the votes never saw the light of day. Evidence was also buried in the confusion of Ohio--a vast tangle of massive violations of the Voting Rights Act (black voters shorted on voting machines and precincts, mysterious breakdowns and shutdowns, switching of punchcards to the wrong counters, purges of voters from the rolls, misdirection on where to vote, and on and on--all favoring Bush, never favoring Kerry)--all taking much time to document and sort out. The combination was lethal. And you had Terry McAuliffe and Christopher Dodd breathing down Kerry's neck and telling him there was nothing wrong with Bushite corporations "counting" 80% of the votes in the country under a veil of corporate secrecy. He should have known better, but that was long ago. Personally, I don't blame him for his decision. It was an impossible and hopeless fight without party support. And, very unfortunately, our party leadership couldn't re-crown Bush fast enough. 11/3/07. Get over it, suckers. And take your grass roots 60/40 Democratic new voter registration blowout success over the Bushites and shove it up your asses. Do send us some more donations, though, so that we can insure that "every vote will be counted." Bastards. I want my $100 back!
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 09:03 PM
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38. GO Peace Patriot! Awesome rant.
Reading 3 books on DIY Impeachment and one of the statistics talks about how in Liberty County, FL *ush got 713.7% of the votes in a county with only 7.9% voters registered as rethug.

IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT the case against bush & cheney Dennis Loo & Peter Phillips.

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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 01:34 PM
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21. K & R
Kick
Kick

:kick:

:kick:

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 01:39 PM
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22. the ole 'some people say' device -- does it ever get old?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 06:59 PM
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33. Why do they go on Billo's show?!?
It's way past time to boycott Loofah Man.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 09:12 PM
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35. My guess is that the Kerry's are not afraid of
the big ass Bill.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 09:19 PM
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36. It's not about being afraid
It's about not boosting his ratings.
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