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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 01:10 PM
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Newly-Disclosed Memo Shows Bush Was Presented With Legal Alternative To Torture Program
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Newly-Disclosed Memo Shows Bush Was Presented With Legal Alternative To Torture Program

A newly-disclosed 2005 memo, authored by then-State Department counselor Philip Zelikow, then-Acting Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon England, and then-Deputy Assistant Secretary for Detainee Affairs Matthew Waxman, gave President Bush “clear and unequivocal advice encouraging a detainee interrogation system that followed humane practices that adhered to US and international law.” The memo was authored as the Bush administration was seeking a “fresh approach” handling terror detainee and just weeks after the OLC issued its second round of torture memos.

In the memo, the three Bush administration officials argue that the President should appoint a “special board” to “review general U.S. government detainee policy and operations” and “evaluate issues of effectiveness and intelligence value.”

While that review was taking place, the authors recommended that U.S. forces treat detainees in the so-called war on terror as if they were “civilian detainees under the law of war.” “This is the system generally being used by our forces in Iraq. Adopting this interim approach allows us to handle the detainees on a well understood basis that gives our forces clear, unambiguous guidelines for conduct,” they wrote, adding:

WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT THESE DETAINEES ARE, NECESSARILY ENTITLED TO THIS STATUS. TO BE CLEAR: WE ARE GIVING THEM A TEMPORARY STATUS THEY DO NOT DESERVE. BUT WE ARE NOT DOING THIS FOR THEM. WE ARE DOING IT FOR US.


Their approach would have harmonized detainee treatment procedures in Guantanamo, Afghanistan, and Iraq. Jane Mayer explained in The Dark Side that the differing guidelines for detainee treatment in the three different theaters had, in part, lead to the abuses at Abu Gahrib.

As the Washington Post’s Barton Gellman explained in his account of the Cheney vice presidency, Angler, the memo was a “top-to-bottom assault on the Cheney-Addington legal model. Its authors proposed to seek legislation, acknowledge secret prisons, give the worst of the terrorists Geneva rights, and bring them back within the full jurisdiction of American courts.” But the memo’s arguments were not well received. As Gellman writes, after Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice showed the memo to an “intrigued” President Bush, it was shown to other high-level administration officials:

England, Rumsfeld’s deputy, brought the paper to his boss…Rumsfeld reacted coldy. He had not authorized this. … Rumsfeld directed that all copies be withdrawn from circulation and shredded. (p. 349)


National Security Adviser Steve Hadley canceled a discussion of the document upon hearing about its contents from Cheney’s office. Zelikow explained his goal in writing the memo last week in testimony before the Senate Judiciary committee saying that he wanted to “effectively prohibit ‘cruel, inhuman, and degrading’ treatment of detainees.”



http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/18/bush-alternative-torture/



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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 01:22 PM
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1. "But, but, but...we're republicon homelanders. Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R)
Edited on Mon May-18-09 01:30 PM by SpiralHawk
"Maybe Americans do humane, but we Homelanders sure as shit don't. It ain't part of our BS mindf*ck propaganda Konzervative Kompassion Kampain.

"You Americans should have a clue by now about us Republcion Homelanders. We don't do humane or integrity. We don't do truth. And we sure as hell don't do competence. We are Homelanders, and we do War Profiteering, and systematic FAIL. Shock & freaking Awe, baby. Too bad about everyone else. Smirk."

- xCommander AWOL (R)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 01:23 PM
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2. "Rumsfeld directed that all copies be withdrawn from circulation and shredded. (p. 349)"
he didn't want these minions to interfere with his personal snuff film collection. PROSECUTE THESE SUBHUMAN BASTARDS!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 01:36 PM
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3. Who can spell "misprision of felony"? I bet Rummy can! Where is he?
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 01:39 PM
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4. Rummy = Mengele
And he looks German too.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 01:48 PM
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5. This is the second thread I have read today that shows that Rummy let Bush down.
Katrina and this...
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:09 PM
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9. Bush read it too
Rice gave it to him and he was "intrigued". I thought that was an interesting word to use in regards to human rights.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:30 PM
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10. Yeah, just thinking if Bush had had a better Sec of Defense,
Edited on Mon May-18-09 02:30 PM by jsamuel
he might have avoided a large number of his biggest mistakes. But, picking awful people to put around himself was one of his biggest problems.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 01:53 PM
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6. So, how will the GOP-controlled media make this about Pelosi? n/t
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:46 AM
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13. Punishing Pelosi = *** Congress Investigating Documented CIA Lying *** "weeks ago"
from: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5682421

This BIG news today from The Ed Show on MSNBS:

Congress Investigating Documented CIA Lying
VIDEO here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x314073

No wonder the Rs are playing a pre-emptive 'Convict Pelosi' media spin game!
Bush liars are already targets of a Congressional inquiry in process.

Rep. Jan Schakowski, Intelligence Comm., Chair of the Oversight and Investigations Sub-Committee,
instructed the Intelligence Comm. staff "weeks ago" to begin considerations
for "a thoughtful and reasonable and responsible inquiry."

Rep. Jan Schakowski:
"On our subcommittee we are beginning an inquiry into a situation ...
initiated by the ranking minority member to look at a situation where the CIA
did mislead the Congress ... a documented issue of the CIA misleading the Congress ..."

========
Spinning off a new thread after:
Will Porter Goss be prosecuted for lying to Congress?
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 01:58 PM
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7. So WHY are these fuckers not in jail yet?
:grr: :mad: :argh: :banghead: :nuke:
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:07 PM
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8. Looks like 2 of the 3 authors left in 2007
Philip Zelikow - Counselor at the Department of State, a deputy to Secretary Rice, from 2005-2007.

Gordon England (the one who stayed) - England was nominated as Deputy Secretary of Defense on May 13, 2005 and immediately took up the role in an acting capacity while awaiting his confirmation. England was recess appointed to the full Deputy Secretary position on January 4, 2006 by President Bush. He resigned with the incoming Obama administration.

Matthew Waxman - Waxman moved from the United States Department of Defense to the United States State Department in December 2005, serving there under Condoleezza Rice until 2007.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:05 PM
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11. Phil Zelikow - All-American Hero, Protector of the Meek, Nice Guy of the Week, We Absolve You.
Edited on Mon May-18-09 05:06 PM by leveymg
St. Phillip, save us from Sin.

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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 09:54 PM
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12. K&R
:kick:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:47 AM
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14. Thanks. REC!
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