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Mr. Ected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:28 PM
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Is Citizenship A Birthright? Georgia Lawmaker Wants To End It
U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal, a Republican candidate for governor of Georgia, has proposed changing the long-standing federal policy that automatically grants citizenship to any baby born on U.S. soil, a move opposed by immigrant rights advocates.

Supporters of Deal’s proposal say “birthright citizenship” encourages illegal immigration and makes enforcement of immigration laws more difficult. Opponents say the proposed law wouldn’t solve the illegal immigration problem and goes against this country’s traditions of welcoming immigrants.

Automatic citizenship is enshrined in the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which says: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.” That provision, ratified in 1868, was drafted with freed slaves in mind.

Deal and his supporters say the 14th Amendment wording was never meant to automatically give citizenship to babies born to illegal immigrants.

“This is a sensible, overdue measure that closes a clause that was never meant to be a loophole,” said Bob Dane, spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which seeks tighter immigration restrictions.

Under Deal’s proposal, babies born in the U.S. would automatically have citizenship only if at least one of their parents is a U.S. citizen or national, a legal permanent resident of the U.S., or actively serving in the U.S. military.

Azadeh Shahshahani, director of the Immigrants Rights Project of the American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia, said the proposed law “is not cognizant with the American spirit.”

“We would stand in strong opposition to this bill as it’s in fundamental contradiction to our nation’s long history of welcoming immigrants and bestowing inalienable rights” on all people born here, regardless of the circumstances of their birth, she said.

Supporters of the bill say automatic citizenship provides an incentive for women to risk coming to the country illegally. They call U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants “anchor babies” because, when they become adults, the children can sponsor their parents for legal permanent residency.

“Coming into the country for the express purpose of having a child in order to anchor that child and yourself is, in effect, gaming the system,” Dane said.

Lisa Navarrete, vice president of the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group, said the proposed law wouldn’t stem illegal immigration and would make the problem worse because not only would illegal immigrants be undocumented, their American-born children would be too.

“The worst part of it is you end up with potentially millions of children who are stateless, who were born here and have no ties to any other country, yet they’re not considered citizens or part of the United States,” she said.

Roy Beck, president of NumbersUSA, a group that favors restricting immigration, said the policy of granting automatic citizenship to people born here is “out of sync with the modern world.” He and Deal said that the U.S. is one of the few wealthy industrialized nations that still allows birthright citizenship.

Deal, who has submitted his bill to the House Judiciary Committee, said he’s not optimistic about it becoming law this year unless it is tacked onto another bill.

“I think the current makeup of the Congress is such that this will never get a hearing and will never be an issue that we get a chance to vote on,” he said. “But I think it’s important to keep the issues that are part of the immigration problem alive.”

Deal, by the way, is a former Democrat, a turncoat, and a tenant in my office building in northeast Georgia.

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:31 PM
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1. Sounds like it would create more problems than it would solve.
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:32 PM
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2. We as a nation-state ascribe to "Jus Soli" & it ain't gonna change
stop bitching, deal!
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:33 PM
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3. That decision doesn't rest with Nathan Deal or any other executive or legislator.
It would be ultimately determined to be compatible or not with the 14th Amendment by the Supreme Court.

Sounds like political posturing and xenophobic ranting.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:37 PM
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4. Figures it would be a repub that would propose a law like this.
Not surprising that a conservative repub would be supported by FAIR and NumbersUSA, while being opposed by the ACLU and La Raza.
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:51 PM
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5. Who would be the next group the Rs would see as not worthy
Start with immigrants then take birth right citizen ship away from who next? poor, of color(did that it was called slavery) gay? out of wedlock?
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:52 PM
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6. "goes against this country’s traditions of welcoming immigrants"
Edited on Mon May-25-09 04:52 PM by Boojatta
Who is the immigrant who isn't welcomed? How can a baby who is born in the USA be considered an immigrant?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:52 PM
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7. Interestingly, a baby born to a mother legally in the U.S. under a diplomatic passport ...
... does NOT gain U.S. citizenship by being born in the U.S. So, that creates the conundrum of one baby born to a mother lawfully present in the U.S. not being regarded as a citizen and another born to a mother unlawfully present in the U.S. being regarded as a "natural-born" citizen.

Fascinating. :eyes:

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bushmeister0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:53 PM
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8. Loophole alert!
Edited on Mon May-25-09 04:54 PM by bushmeister0
Here's the hidden headline:

"He’s not optimistic about it becoming law this year unless it is tacked onto another bill.

Obama wants health care reform? He can have it as long as he signs the bill with you-know-what attached. Remember the credit card reform bill?

How many of our brave democrats in congress would vote to make illegal babies citizens (which is how it'll be spun).


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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:06 PM
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9. He can't change the Constitution that easily. It takes
a large majority of congress...both houses and a large majority of the states to pass legislation in order to change it. Maybe he should read the whole thing and see what he is talking about.
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:08 PM
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10. I'm ashamed to say that I voted for this maggot when he was a Democrat
He's a vile, despicable whore and utterly incapable of a good idea, let alone drafting a good law. Which, of course, makes him a perfect candidate for governor of Georgia as it is currently constituted politically.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:14 PM
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11. Hidden agenda...!
Ih he's from Georgia, he probably wants to revoke the 14th Amendment to eventually bring back slavery. "Illegal immigration" is just a smokescreen.

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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:34 PM
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13. This is just pandering to right-wing hatred of Hispanic immigrants, I think. n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:16 PM
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12. The surest way to win statewide election in Georgia is to promote bigotry and fear of the other
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:49 PM
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14. Has this idiot ever read the Constitution?
Does he know anything about the 14th Amendment? Does he know how impossibly difficult it is to pass an amendment nullifying a prior amendment? This guy's a pandering dick.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:54 PM
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16. They want to go back to pre-Civil War days.
That figures. They want to repeal the 13th and 14th Amendments.

Typical rightwingers who think that all the problems of the U.S. started when they gave blacks and women the vote.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:51 PM
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15. It was a wonderful policy until they started being born with brown skin, eh?
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 06:10 PM
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17. Ok, I shouldn't do this but...

I agree with him. Burn me!

I just have this to add. Probably a big reason people don't vote for democrats as much as they should is because they don't see us "taking care of our own" which means US citizens. Sometimes it seems like some democrats care more about everyone else then the person standing next to them. I may be a bit biased, I had a girlfriend who did that to me.

If you're in a plane, they tell you to put the mask on your face FIRST, then on a childs face, because if you're dead, the child is going to die. We need to help americans, then we can worry about the world.

I don't care white, black, red, green, yellow, purple. Illegal is Illegal.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 10:47 PM
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18. Wow. And shitty is shitty.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 01:45 AM
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25. The ironic thing is every time ICE goes in and does a big raid,
those plants close and those communities cease to exist. But instead of blaming the asshole employers who need to grow their profit on the backs of poor people, the workers are blamed. What a joke.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 01:43 AM
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24. Deal is up for re-election and needs some red meat to throw
to his ignorant nutwing base. Democrats like yourself know that undocumented workers add to the economy more than they take, surely. And that they are propping up Social Security. I'm sure Deal would like them all to stay undocumented so his cronies can continue to underpay them.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 03:50 AM
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29. I'll "take care of my own" human beings.
you can take your xenophobic bullshit and shove it.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 05:59 AM
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34. Ahh, the oxygen mask analogy. Putting your mask on first is an easily definable goal.
"Taking care of your own" (US citizens) first is hardly as definable. Has there ever been a time or can you describe in advance the objective criteria of any future time when we will have "taken care of our own" sufficiently that we can start to be compassionate to other nationals?

Those who want to "take care of our own" first (some humans are more equal than others - Animal Farm alert) will never believe that goal has been accomplished sufficiently so that we can move on to "putting the oxygen mask on our child's face".
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 10:50 PM
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19. Especially all those brown babies born on US soil, right Mr. Deal?

:argh:


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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 11:16 PM
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20. I'd support it...
Frankly just because someone delivers their child here why should that mean that child is now a citizen.

I'd have no problem with speeding up the immigration process, but people who dont take the time to learn what our country is about shouldnt magically become citizens or have their children do so.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 11:21 PM
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21. Excellent idea
I'm 1/8th Cherokee, so I'll be able to stay. All the rest of you, vamoose!




:crazy:



Since America has no national ethnicity, it's jus soli, baby!!!
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 12:56 AM
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22. Do any other nations have immigration laws & policy like the US?
Countries where anyone born there is automatically a citizen?

Nations that throw their hands up and grant amnesty to any wave of settlers that have overwhelmed the system?

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SmileyRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 01:31 AM
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23. Here's why he's an idiot.
He doesn't need a new law. He just needs to demand we enforce current law. The baby is a US citizen. It can stay. The parents have to go. They can leave the kid here as property of the US government or they can take the kid with them back home.

It's so simple a caveman can do it.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 01:46 AM
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26. Yeah but cavemen are smarter than most southerners and republicans
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groundloop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 06:40 AM
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38. THIS southerner takes exception to that remark
Deal is an idiot, always has been, always will be. Why insult all of us from Georgia because of him?

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 02:09 AM
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28. US citizens are not government property.
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SmileyRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 06:22 AM
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35. Try not paying your taxes or being accused of child molestation.
Oh, they own us all right.



Sadly





But I was actually being sarcastic.



:) :) :)
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 02:06 AM
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27. I actually agree with this in principle.
We should do this but then also open up our borders with Canada and Mexico to make a North American Union. I'd imagine that's not exactly what he has in mind though eh? ;-)
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Smith_3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 04:01 AM
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30. He obviously hates america and the founding fathers. nt
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 04:59 AM
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31. Founding Fathers have nothing to do with the XIV Amendment
It was passed in 1868 as a way to get around the Dred Scott decision by the Supreme Court. That Court ruled that there was no Consititional way that a slave, freed or otherwise could become a U.S. citizen.
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Smith_3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 05:12 AM
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33. Oh really? Then I guess he hates the troops instead.
;)
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 05:05 AM
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32. Another Originalist
So, he knows what the intent of the authors of the 14th was? I seriously doubt it, just like i doubt Scalia's ability to understand the intent of the framers.
GAC
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 05:35 PM
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36. So as the wise one, what was the intent of the XIV
The fact that there was a Supreme Court Decesion that said that was no way a ex slave could not become a citizen of the U.S. Why do you think, oh wise one that understands all that the Consitition intends. was the first sentence of the XIV written that way.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 04:45 AM
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37. Your Post Makes Zero Sense
I don't understand all the Constitutional intensions. I never said i did. I was ridiculing those who think they do, like Scalia and his ilk.

Try to keep up, shall we?
GAC
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