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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 08:15 AM
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Moran for Virginia
I ran into Creigh Deeds, candidate for Virginia Governor, at the farmer's market in Charlottesville on Saturday. He'd been trailing in the polls for a long time while the two men ahead of him, Brian Moran and Terry McAuliffe beat up on each other. Now Deeds is leading, but only just barely. Essentially it's a three-way tie for the Democratic nomination in the Tuesday, June 9th, primary, with virtually nobody planning to vote and the outcome entirely dependent on who gets their handful of supporters to actually go to the polls.

When I spoke to him on Saturday, Deeds clearly liked the prospect of now being ahead but also the idea of being the underdog, and he accurately said that nothing had been decided. He did not strike me as particularly progressive. He is the local boy for rural Virginia, of course, and people here want to like him. Meanwhile, Moran did not at first appeal to me because he shares a last name with his brother Jim Moran whose performance in the U.S. Congress leaves much to be desired. On the other hand, in Moran's favor, Deeds has been endorsed by the Washington Post and extensively bragged about it as if that were a good thing.

But all of these superficial prejudices ought to give way to consideration of the candidates' positions on issues, with some concern for their past actions and proven ability to get things done. McAuliffe is, of course, such a disgusting sold-out corporate stooge that few progressives will support him. The few who do, seem to base their support on the idea that he'll fight hardest against Republicans. But what policies will he fight for? I haven't seen any good answer to that question. The key question right now is how to beat McAuliffe on Tuesday. If, between Moran and Deeds, one of them were clearly better than the other, we could all get organized behind that one and work to defeat McAuliffe. Otherwise, we could end up seeing our third choice candidate win.

This dilemma could also be solved, in a way, with Instant Runoff Voting (IRV). Back when Deeds was trailing, Rob Richie was arguing that both McAuliffe and Moran supporters would choose Deeds as their second choice and thus give him the victory if IRV were used. But so might supporters of Deeds favor Moran as their second choice. In primaries conducted on paper and counted locally (as in a recent Charlottesville City Council Democratic primary at a single polling place that used IRV) the integrity of an election can be protected while considering second choices and ensuring majority support for a winner. But in a state-wide race, votes could only be counted at a central location if IRV were used. If you can't ensure the results by having them counted publicly where they are cast, what good is improving the method of calculation?

There is a better way that takes into consideration the weaknesses of winner-take-all. We should figure out who the best winner would be and back that candidate. Claims about viability do not in this case even enter into it. The race is a three-way tie.

Looking at Deeds' and Moran's positions on various policies, one finds above all else overlap. I'm surprised neither one has sued the other for plagiarization. But there are differences, and they favor Moran. His positions may be full of hypocrisy and exaggeration. He's opposing things he's supported in the past. But that's true of all three of these candidates. Only Moran is saying he will oppose off-shore drilling and new coal plants and nuclear plants. Only Moran is supporting repeal of a hateful anti-gay rights amendment. Only Moran, as far as I know, is talking about the rights of the accused and the need to lock fewer people away for many years in prison. If those positions win in the primary, they will be made stronger. Deeds' positions on these issues are closer to those of the Republican he would compete against in the general election. Guns in bars may sound like fun to certain people, but should we elect someone who thinks it's a smart idea?

Moran has accepted more legal bribes (campaign contributions) and significantly more from military contractors. But Deeds has accepted military money, he just hasn't been able to accept as much of it -- no doubt because he doesn't have a brother in Congress on the Appropriations Committee.

One other consideration, beyond who's best to win the primary, is who's most likely to win the general election if nominated. But I've heard passionate declarations that only Deeds and only Moran and only McAuliffe can win the general election. It comes down to whether you buy the conventional wisdom that the best way for Democrats to win is to steal Republican votes, or you accept the alternative view that Democrats have a better chance if they inspire more people to vote and allow the Republicans to keep their voters. Given that huge numbers of Virginians registered to vote last year precisely in order to vote for Obama for president, the inspiring-more-people approach has greater potential than usual. Can first-time voters in 2008 be persuaded to vote in a general election in 2009? What about in a primary?

My recommendation is to find anyone who would vote for either Moran or Deeds (but especially Moran) and make sure they vote on Tuesday. I'd save most of the energy that could go into debating the merits of these two imperfect candidates and invest it in turning out their supporters. Volunteer here now:
http://www.brianmoran.com/volunteer


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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 08:15 AM
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1. Get a Moran, Virgina! Go USA! n/t
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 04:59 PM
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9. This is one Moran I believe in!
Get a brain and vote Moran. ;)
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 09:19 AM
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2. Why'd Moran run such a negative campaign against his fellow Democrats?
That shot his chances in my household.
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jbfam4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 10:49 AM
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3. Thanks for posting
Any thoughts about A G that you care to share?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 11:10 AM
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4. I'm there with a few of my buddies + spouse. We're all voting for MORAN.
:-) :hi:
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 11:10 AM
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5. Isn't he the guy who blamed the Iraq war on a Jewish conspiracy?
I seem to remember him being the guy who brought up "rabbis" when talking about why we were going to war.
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Vadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 06:49 PM
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10. No, that was his brother, Jim Moran, my Congressman from the
8th District.

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quidam56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 11:38 AM
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6. Wise County, Virginia needs a governor who cares about the environment
http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=138 Appalachia is being bombed, blasted and bulldozed right into 3rd world America.
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VerifiedVoter Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:47 PM
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7. Avoid the Instant Runoff Virus in VA!
I did not know that the Charlottesville firehouse primary votes were counted in the single location where cast. But David Swanson hits on a big problem with IRV - you will need central counting for anything other than an IRV race that encompasses only a single precinct polling place. He recognizes that counting votes were cast is crucial to election integrity, and that central counting is problematic.

One thing that Swanson didn't hit on yet is that VA has a real problem counting their first column votes accurately with their DRE touchscreen machines that don't have a voter-verified paper trail. They would really have problems if they tried IRV without a paper trail.

IRV seems to be a "we can't get people really interested in the political process, so let's throw in the towel". Swanson isn't buying into that strategy. He seems to recognize that the way to elect the best candidate in the primary is to motivate people to get out and vote for the best candidate. It's about what it will take to inspire more people to get out and vote, not about figuring out who is the more viable candidate or running ENRON accounting tricks with IRV.

Obama or DNC Chair Tom Kaine haven't done anything to build the Democratic Party so that they can take advantage of the "inspiring-more-people" approach for the 2009 primary election. The "Obama For America" groups have morphed into "Organizing For America" that is part of the DNC. So far they appear to only be trying to organize people to support specific Obama policies and not party building. That is a mistake, and I feel that will come back to bite them in the ass in the 2009 and 2010 elections.

But even Swanson recognizes that IRV is not the answer to what ails lower voter interest in the political process. It will take plenty of good old-fashioned hard work to get people out there to vote.

Chris Telesca
Wake County Verified Voting
Raleigh, NC
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:53 PM
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8. Last thing Virginia needs is a more complicated, even less transparent election method
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 03:19 PM by WillYourVoteBCounted
If you want to push for changes that would help Virginia, how about pushing for paper ballots?

Virginia passed a slim law that will EVENTUALLY phase out paperless voting, but it is slow and forces continue to work to repeal that law.

Right now, Virginia has a variety of machines,
the WINVote, which the WIN part stands for Wireless Internet Network,
the HartIntercivic paperless machines which truncated Jim Webb's name and also can't handle write ins properly
and a variety of other non transparent machines.

WHAT IRV is and what IRV DOES -

Instant runoff voting violates the core principles of election transparency:
-It is not additive, i.e you can't just tally up the vote totals to get the results;
-ballots have to be hauled away from where they are cast so that they can be centrally counted;
-it incentivizes the need for more complex technology in order to accommodate the complicated
counting algorithm
-voters are not able to observer or understand the counting process and how the results were obtained.

IRV is as black of a black box voting as paperless touch screens are black box voting.

IRV can also cause voters to hurt their preferred candidate BY VOTING FOR THEM.
Yes, its called non monotonicity and it is undeniable.
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Vadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 06:51 PM
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11. Yes, I will be voting for Brian Moran--he is the most progressive..
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 07:01 PM by Vadem
candidate in the race! He voted against the horrible bill in the VA legislature against gay marriage---He is pro-choice and he is the most progressive for the GLBT--He was also my mayor and then my delegate in the legislature. I wholehardedly support Brian Moran!

Go Brian!


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