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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 04:31 PM
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Gimme That Old-Time Religion


Gimme That Old-Time Religion
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Columnist

Monday 08 June 2009

George W. Bush left office with a public approval rating under 30 percent. Less than 30 percent of Americans currently describe themselves as Republicans. The amalgam of evangelical Christians, hardcore gun-rights fanatics, anti-tax, anti-immigrant and anti-choice voters who make up the base of the Republican Party amount to less than 30 percent of the overall electorate.

These numbers reflect the present state of affairs for the GOP: they are a party controlled by their base, the same group of Americans whose support for Bush never wavered, and who still call themselves Republican despite the serial debacles of the last decade. These are the voters who listen to Limbaugh, Savage, Hannity and Beck, who watch Fox News to the exclusion of every other network, who think evolution is a fraud because dinosaurs are not mentioned in the Bible, and who believe President Obama is a secret Islamic terrorist communist Jew with a bum birth certificate.

These voters have spent the last 30 years being the single most reliable voting bloc in the entire electorate, and this has come to present a potentially lethal problem for the Republican Party in general, and for their future electoral prospects specifically. For a long time, the loyalty of their voter base propelled the GOP into a position of complete dominance - if live, man-eating jaguars rained from the sky on election day, the GOP base would still turn out en masse to pull the handle for every candidate on the ballot with an "R" after their name, a fact that made the difference in a half-dozen midterms and at least two presidential elections.

That loyalty made the GOP base the most muscular part of the party, but it is that very strength which is now tearing the party to pieces. Consider the lesson that was provided during the 2008 Republican Party primary season. Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee became the darling of the GOP base, earning roughly 50 percent of the GOP base vote in virtually every Red-state primary. The other, more broadly popular GOP candidates like Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney, needed those votes to prevail, but were forced to fight for the base-voter scraps left by Huckabee. This lack of base-voter support was what ultimately doomed their campaigns.

Huckabee was not widely supported by any voter bloc beyond the GOP base, and therefore had no real chance of securing the Republican nomination, but his popularity with the base gave artificial life to his campaign and sucked the air out of the others. Huckabee stayed in the race just long enough to cripple Giuliani and Romney before fading away himself, and in the end, John McCain wound up winning the nomination pretty much by default.

The problem for McCain in the 2008 general election is the same one currently affecting the Republican Party at large: he could not win without the support of the GOP base, but the core beliefs of that base were so out of touch with mainstream America that McCain likewise could not win if he catered to them. He was forced to flee his previous positions on immigration, climate change, taxes and campaign finance reform to satisfy base voters who already roundly despised him because of his positions on immigration, climate change, taxes and campaign finance reform, and this ultimately deranged his whole campaign. Picking Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to be his running mate was yet another sop to base voters, and is now widely believed to have been the last nail in his electoral coffin.

Seven months later, the GOP is still turning itself inside out over the dilemma posed by the strength and influence of their wholly-out-of-touch base. A wide swath of high-ranking Republicans, especially in the Senate, are trapped between the hard knowledge that catering to their base is a guaranteed recipe for defeat and disgrace, and the cold fact that their base is the only group left in America willing to call themselves Republican. They can't win with them, can't win without them, and this paradox has become where the lines of a full-fledged Republican Party civil war have been drawn.

The question of who is joining which side was made clear Friday in an event at the Rock Church in Hampton Roads, Virginia. Newt Gingrich and Mike Huckabee held court for three hours during a lecture titled "Rediscovering God in America," during which they "urged Christians to get involved in politics to preserve the presence of religion in American life," according to a report by the Virginian-Pilot. "They and other speakers warned about the continuing availability of abortion, the spread of gay rights, and attempts to remove religion from American public life and school history books."

"I am not a citizen of the world," said Gingrich during the lecture. "I am a citizen of the United States because only in the United States does citizenship start with our creator. I think this is one of the most critical moments in American history. We are living in a period where we are surrounded by paganism."

"Huckabee told the audience he was disturbed to hear President Barack Obama say during his speech in Cairo, Egypt, on Thursday that one nation shouldn't be exalted over another," continued the Virginian-Pilot report. "'The notion that we are just one of many among equals is nonsense,' Huckabee said. The United States is a 'blessed' nation, he said, calling American revolutionaries' defeat of the British empire 'a miracle from God's hand.' The same kind of miracle, he said, led California voters to approve Proposition 8, which overturned a state law legalizing same-sex marriages."

This is the kind of talk GOP base voters lap up, and is also the kind of talk that has left the Republican Party with less than 30 percent support nationwide. Both Gingrich and Huckabee are believed to be seriously considering a run for the White House in 2012. Even at this early date, both appear to be angling for the support of GOP base voters, as evidenced by their remarks in Virginia last week. If they keep talking like they did on Friday, like as not that support will be there for them, but they very well could live to regret it. GOP base support wins primaries but not much else these days, and every time someone caters to that base, another hole gets ripped in the fabric of the Republican Party.

In other words, a whole lot of Faustian chickens are coming home to roost in the GOP's crumbling coop...

The rest: http://www.truthout.org/060809R
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 04:48 PM
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1. It would take a very special Republican to....
It would take a very special Republican to successfully woo both the 30% and the run-of-the-mill, little "c" conservative. And as the interests of both groups seems to be getting further and further apart, I expect them to pull more Palin's out of the closet for a VP nominee. Hopeful analysis of yours, if I do say so.

(Can I get a range-free Faustian chicken?)
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 04:56 PM
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2. They are dead weight around the necks of the GOP
I know a few people that are primarily national-defense conservatives and free market conservatives, and they feel the same way about these wacky social conservatives...they're bringing the GOP down.

Social conservatism, as a movement, is dead. When the GOP does revive itself, it will have a strong base of national defense advocates, National Rifle Association supporters, and capitalist types desiring an unrestrained free market. As a more and more members of a tolerant generation reach become old enough to vote, the social conservatives will drag the GOP down further and further. To remain competitive, I believe the GOP will basically tell the social conservatives to get lost.
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 06:51 PM
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13. To remain competitive, I believe the GOP will basically tell the social conservatives to get lost.
And when that happens, or even when "they" start to sense that it's about to happen?
All hell is going to break loose.

They will not go quietly into the dark night.
They will fight like the distraught patriots that they believe they are.

It's gonna be great entertainment!
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 05:14 PM
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3. As an ex-Republican, this is a fantastic article.
Seven months later, the GOP is still turning itself inside out over the dilemma posed by the strength and influence of their wholly-out-of-touch base. A wide swath of high-ranking Republicans, especially in the Senate, are trapped between the hard knowledge that catering to their base is a guaranteed recipe for defeat and disgrace, and the cold fact that their base is the only group left in America willing to call themselves Republican. They can't win with them, can't win without them, and this paradox has become where the lines of a full-fledged Republican Party civil war have been drawn.

This is an excellent summary.

The fact of the matter is, a whole lot of folks who used to identify as Republicans are now seeing two significant things:

First, the extremists in the party are, well, extreme.

Second, the issues that the base clings to - religion, firearms, "family values" are only given lip-service by their politicians to create wedge issues to manipulate the base. They talk a good game about God and family values, but then go back to their page boys, whores, wide stances, and other debaucheries. They talk a good game about firearms, but then go back to suspending habeus corpus, pervasive domestic surveillance, torture, and other erosions of civil liberties.

A whole lot of people like me got fed up with the extremists calling the shots, doing things like putting too much religion and superstition in politics and education, and opposing gay marriage, and we're sick of politicians who pander to them with one hand while stabbing us all in the back with the other.

Throw an ill-conceived, wasteful war in the mix, too, and it's no wonder to me that only 30% of Americans self-identify as Republicans anymore.

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jmondine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 05:28 PM
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4. This issue highlights a deeper underlying problem for the Republicans...
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 05:29 PM by jmondine
If they were truly a principled party, they could fall back on their core principles, and openly campaign for what they really believe in.
The problem is that what they believe in is the maintenance and consolidation of wealth and power by those who already possess it, at the expense of all else.

Not a very popular platform.

So they are forced to suck up to the rabidly ignorant and xenophobic base on one hand, while attempting to sound rational to mainstream America on the other. This is a strategy that used to work for them, before the Information Age came along and everything they say is now available to all. They are no longer able to compartmentalize their audience, and thus their two-faced deception is no longer working.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 05:28 PM
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5. As always ...
... right on the money!

:kick:
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 05:35 PM
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6. K&R
:kick:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 05:41 PM
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7. We're surrounded by Paganism?
IIRC, there's only one predominantly pagan country in the western hemisphere: Haiti.
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:18 PM
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14. Something wrong with that old time hoodoo?
Actually Brazil is "pagan" as well - estimates are over 60% of Brazilians believe in Macumba as it was originally called when it was imported by the Portuguese along with the slaves. Anywhere the slave trade existed Macumba existed and of course it spread throughout the Caribbean and eventually into the United States.

Imagine the shock had anyone at CBS known that Desi Arnaz was singing to a god named Babalu. I don't think Eisenhower would have invited them all to the White House and not everyone would have loved Lucy after all and McCarthy may have had her hauled before the committee even though everyone knew she wasn't a communist. But then, well, maybe that was all Babalu's doing. Who's to say?

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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 01:48 PM
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23. Oh no
If the Reps get back into office we will have to fight religious wars with Haiti and Brazil. Great.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 05:41 PM
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8. K&R
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 05:46 PM
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9. Christian Martyr Movement Leader &Prop8 Supporter Lou Engel Blesses Gingrich, Lays Hands on Huckabee
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 05:57 PM
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10. Brilliant, Will
The "culture war" has been lost for years. They're in their death throes now. I'd be willing to bet that a vast majority of that 30% is over fifty, if not sixty.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 06:15 PM
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11. So now they're finally understanding the saying
"Be careful what you ask for because you might get it"



They certainly got what they asked for, didn't they? Loyal to a fault Base support, and not much else.


Arrogance, hubris, corruption, greed


Yep...it all really did come home to roost.

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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 06:49 PM
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12. Lucid summary of the Republican dilemma, Will.
Now that they're in the devilish pickle you've outlined above, what do you think will become of the GOP?

Anyone else's prognosis is welcome too, of course.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 08:51 PM
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15. Yeah, but it's a FIRM 30%.
Best opposition that an elected leader could ask for.

K&R.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 08:56 PM
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16. They're damned if they do,and damned if they don't.
Perfect!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 02:49 AM
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17. You are forgetting about a similar division within the Democratic Party, now papered over
That split is between the Democratic base and the corporate paymasters who control higher level Democratic officeholders.

The Democratic base wants an end to bailing out the financial sector, cuts in military spending, an end to outsourcing and a real push for legislation that makes unionization easier, and above all, health care guaranteed by the government. That last is supported by 92% of Democrats, 82% of independents and 51% of Republicans.

If we don't see some progress in these areas, the enthusiastic doorbellers of 2008 are going to be sitting on their hands in 2010, just as they did in 1994. One voter whose registration problems I was able to sort out was a lower income white woman who hadn't bothered to vote since 1992. NAFTA, welfare "reform" and financial deregulation sure the hell didn't encourage her to vote in subsequent years.

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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 11:55 AM
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19. So, it's what
11 and a half months until the Democrats start looking for serious money and votes for the 2010 elections. That means they've got about 10 months to start delivering on those promises. The "he's only been in office zippity-zap weeks" defense is wearing pretty thin. The long they delay some real change, the faster they're going to have to pedal to catch up. We could see at least one house of Congress got to the GOP in 2010. If the Dems can't bring about change with both houses in their pocket, we're dead with the GOP controlling one house.

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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 01:53 PM
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24. That's what I am afraid of
The Republicans winning because the Democrats just loose. Then we get nothing, not even scraps, health care? No one gets access. And all our civil rights and reproductive rights go to hell.

The Democrats can sink our country most by making people angry and not voting.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 02:06 PM
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25. People think that there was some shift that caused the 2008 victory, when in reality
it was all the people who came out specifically to vote for Obama. You have to remember that 58,000,000 people voted for the GOP. Many of them will still come out, while many of the people who came out just because Obama was on the ballot will just stay home. Add to that people who are discouraged by the lack of "change," and you could have a real bloodbath in 2010.

Cute pictures of puppies go only so far.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 02:12 PM
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26. I hope the Republicans destroy themselves first
I don't want to think of those monsters being back in power. It frightens me to death.

Democrats don't follow through but Republicans kill and destroy countless lives.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 02:13 PM
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27. And you just summed up the problem in four words
"Democrats don't follow through"
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:17 AM
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18. Morning kick...
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 11:57 AM
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20. Gingrich and Palin will split the base
and another John McCain will emerge in their 2012 primaries.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 12:31 PM
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21. Yup
:)
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 01:37 PM
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22. That "old-time religion" is awash in heresy
Having a debate with a fundamentalist is pretty much impossible because they lack the intellectual tools to engage in a debate. They just can't keep up and can't even make their own case.

Having a theological discussion with a fundamentalist is pretty much a non-starter for the same reasons - they have no clue about Christian theology. What they call "Christian" is a mishmash of Bible quotes taken out of context, Sunday school stories dumbed down for kids and heresies debunked hundreds or even thousands of years ago.

Compare the Athanasian creed (http://anglicansonline.org/basics/athanasian.html) with your typical fundie bullshit.
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bongbong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:17 PM
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28. Nutcase Fruit Baskets
Edited on Tue Jun-09-09 03:17 PM by bongbong
These people are completely nuts.

If the British surrender in 1781, acknowledged by Washington as being half to the French, was a "sign from God", then the Iranian Revolution in 1979 was a bigger sign, as God didn't share the blessing between two countries. So by Huckster's own calculation, Iran is more blessed than America.

Don't the repigs ever tire of their America-hatred?

And as for the newt's claim of "paganism", how pagan was it of him to ask his ex-wife for a divorce on her hospital bedside?

The repigs are totally, balls-out, insane. And by all appearances loving it.
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