von brunn's mother's family - connections

[Hannah Bell]

von brunn born 1920


von brunn's mom was born in st louis: hope wenneker:


her father = edward frederick wenneker, b. 1862, st. louis

http://books.google.com/books?id=MD8VAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA627&dq=wenneker+%22st+louis%22&lr=


he & his brother ran the family business, blanke-wenneker candy (blanke = grandmother)


blanke-wenneker = largest independent candy company in the west


ed's brother = charles frederick wenneker, born 1853, prominent missouri republican

http://books.google.com/books?id=MD8VAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA627&dq=wenneker+%22st+louis%22&lr=


http://books.google.com/books?id=8UUZAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA271&dq=wenneker+%22st+louis%22&lr=

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9B05E5DF1230E733A25755C0A9659C946397D6CF

(wenneker's apparently went bankrupt sometime after 1921...maybe the depression...maybe they wouldn't join the combine...)



CF was one of the organizers of the 1904 St Louis Fair,

http://books.google.com/books?id=K7BAAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA387


which means he likely knew George Herbert Walker...

David R. Francis, president of the exposition,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_R._Francis


was an associate & friend of George Herbert Walker's: e.g.

http://books.google.com/books?id=zMQCAAAAMAAJ&pg=PT20&dq=%
22DR+Francis%22+%22gh+wAlker%22

The Bushes: portrait of a dynasty‎ - Page 28
by Rochelle Schweizer - Biography & Autobiography - 2004 - 574 pages

... and a beautiful young bride, Bert Walker took his place in St. Louis society. ... and Bert became a friend of up-and-coming pols like David R. Francis, ...
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Likely they knew each other anyway, since both families had St. Louis retail businesses (Ely & Walker) & both were prominent in business, society & politics.

http://books.google.com/books?id=K7BAAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA387&dq=wenneker+%22st+louis%22&lr=


john scullin (scullin steel, where von brunn's father was general manager, was also one of the organizers of the fair:

http://books.google.com/books?id=K7BAAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA378


von brunn went to washington university, st louis (private university = $), "12th best & 11th most selective uni in the US"

same uni george herbert walker & david r francis attended.

[cali]

1. omg. this is just pathetic.

tenuous at best and who cares? Howard Dean's family can also be tied to the bushes. so what?

Sometimes DU is beyond silly.

[Hannah Bell]

2. not as silly as you.

personally, i find it interesting that the shooter is the scion of a pretty prominent st louis family, attended a top-level school, & doesn't quite fit the DU stereotype of the dumb neanderthal winger.

scullin steel & other characters in the story connect to boatmen's bank, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boatmen's_Bancshares

which, before it got bought out:

William H.T. Bush, younger brother of President George H.W. Bush, was president of the bank from 1978 to 1986.<3>


and scullin steel was making railroad couplings just like buckeye steel castings (sam bush/frank rockefeller), during the same period:

Freight Cars Illustrated -

Pittsburgh Steel Foundry. Scullin. Sidena. Cushion-Ride. Buckeye. Double Truss ... Buckeye Steel. Castings. (now Columbus Steel. Castings). Columbus, OH ...

fcix.net/Documents/vol09.pdf - Similar

[cali]

4. well, I've never bought into the "all wingers are stupid narrative"

but honestly what difference does it make that some of his forbearers MAY have known some of bushy's?

[Hannah Bell]

6. i think it's interesting. maybe others will too.

[cali]

8. OK. I think it's silly.

whatever floats your boat.

[Hannah Bell]

10. you find a lot of interesting things are silly & a lot of silly things interesting,

so far as i've noticed.

[cali]

11. what do I find interesting, that's silly? do tell.

and my, my, my, aren't you the defensive one.

[Hannah Bell]

12. defensive? about anything you say? hardly. it's a game.

why would *anyone* care about some stranger's ad hom on a chat board?


i find it more interesting that a lot of these supposed wingnuts are from upper-class families.

william luther pierce was another one.


i guess they're the mirror image of the supposed left-wingnuts from upper class families like bill ayres.

whose brother is the big chicago charter school pusher.

[cali]

13. what ad hom? I said your OP was silly and pointless. I didn't attack you in any way.

As a matter of fact, you attacked me. But you're right, I certainly don't care.

[Hannah Bell]

14. me neither.

[Hannah Bell]

19. kick

[Syntheto]

3. Thank you !

Hell, if you go back far enough, we're all related. The poster sure has a lot of time on their hands.

[Hannah Bell]

5. this is his grandfather & great uncle. not too far back.

he was born in 1920.

so your comment is irrelevant.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

16. But all I see are a lot of "likely knew each other"s?

This guy's grandfather likely knew GHW ?

[MiniMe]

7. And President Obama is a distant cousin of Dick Cheney

I think you post is a reach

[Hannah Bell]

9. it's his grandfather & great-uncle. so your post is a reach.

is cheney obama's grandfather?

[MiniMe]

18. I don't know what the relationship is

But isn't that the definition of a distant cousin?

[Hannah Bell]

20. grandfather = cousin? if you say so.

[ColbertWatcher]

15. Fascinating. Thank you for posting. Another strange connection in this weird, weird world. n/t

[malaise]

17. Thanks for this info

It does break the prevailing spin that these RW losers are the semi-literate backwater.

[leftstreet]

21. Thanks Hannah

You're a tireless researcher.

Very interesting stuff!

[RufusTFirefly]

22. More than a stretch, I'd say. That's a pity because...

... your dubious attempts at establishing guilt-by-family-association undermine a very important point you make later, namely that these assassins are rarely just right-wing neanderthals.

And even when they are, they often get high-level backing. Ask yourself where shooters like Arthur Bremer and James Earl Ray, for example, found the money to go gallivanting around the country and in some cases, the world.

[Hannah Bell]

25. what's the stretch? Fact: the shooter's grandfather (b. st louis 1862) came from precisely

the same st louis social milieu as the grandfather (b. st louis 1875) of george herbert walker bush.

[RufusTFirefly]

26. Haha. You're welcome. Your entire premise is based on a logical fallacy. But carry on. n/t

[Hannah Bell]

27. Your post is based on the mistaken assumption that by noting the historic facts,

I'm drawing any conclusion but the ones I've stated:

1. GHW & the shooter's grandpa came from the same social milieu, and
2. Probably knew each other.
3. The shooter isn't a backwoods neanderthal.

Carry on.

[hfojvt]

28. Huh? I myself have been to Switzerland

Which must be a big conspiracy since I have only worked as a part-time janitor and a factory temp. Then there was my trip to NY in 1999. It's not that hard for a poor working person to do some travel.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

23. Does this mean Kevin Bacon is the Antichrist?

[RufusTFirefly]

24. +1