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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:00 PM
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Should I turn this over to the local FBI? LTTE claims we need a safe haven to kill doctors.
http://nwarktimes.com/nwat/Editorial/77293/

We should seek common ground
A lot has been made lately about this latest extreme late-term, postnatal abortion done by an unlicensed practitioner. We should all feel ashamed that our country has so denied the rights of a poor man to choose that he was forced to place his body in harms way in order to make what must have been an agonizing decision between himself and his god: "It is in deciding between what we consider morally near-equal alternatives that we are forced to make agonizing appraisals. The decision between competing evils or competing goods - these are the judgments that may burn in your mind and live forever in your memory, that fry your soul." Stopping someone who practices infanticide is good. Taking a life is bad. How does one make this decision? "And it matters not whether one believes a good or an evil, for every decision is made between self-perceived competing goods or competing evils, not between obvious good and self-evident evil." Since taking life is about self-perceived goods and evils, not intrinsic right or wrong, he was free to act morally, just constrained legally, according to this quote by local abortionist Dr. Harrison.

This episode in Kansas involved a man who was unlicensed, but needed to perform an extreme late-term, postnatal abortion on Dr. Tiller, a baby murderer, out in public at great personal risk to himself and others due to draconian and sexist laws by our very own government. The right to choose termination during the traditional terms of a pregnancy were hard fought and finally won through the democratic process (i.e. nine appointed members of the Supreme Court overturning the 10th Amendment in Roe v. Wade), but so far, this right has only applied to women, and only to the first nine months of a traditional pregnancy. This is an abomination of justice! Have we not learned how sexist that is? How limiting this is?

Why, even the large tissue mass known as Dr. Tiller pushed the envelope of rights of postnatal abortion! He would actually induce birth, take the child (um, fetus) while its big toe was still inside the mother, cut open its neck, sever the spinal cord and vacuum out its perfectly functional brain, collapsing its head.

So, in a brave act of selflessness, he gave his own life for the expansion of this right of choice to be applied to even later postnatal terms. Unfortunately, since there was no safe and legal place for a licensed practitioner to perform this right, our laws forced it to happen in back-alley, unsanitary conditions.

Some complain that a living human is lost in this process, and that is indeed regrettable. However, we should all seek the common ground, working together to reduce the number of postnatal abortions but fighting to protect the basic human right to choose safe and legal havens where both men and women can choose to terminate abortion doctors safely. Progress demands it.

Michael Collins / Fayetteville
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:01 PM
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1. yes you should....
n/t
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:03 PM
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2. The paper printed that???
Holy fuck. :wow:
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:06 PM
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6. I called the editor's desk and told them I couldn't believe they'd print that. He said, "We printed
it because it's the guy's opinion." I said that I didn't think someone advocating murder of doctors should have a public forum and the newspaper should know better.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:08 PM
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11. That editor offered a very weak defense. Seems to me that it just obligated
itself to print ANY opinion that incites criminal activity without prejudice. I'm sure Editor and Publisher would be interested in this press policy.

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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:13 PM
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13. Good idea. And I did call the local FBI. However, this is a small town and he's out til Monday. Left
a voice mail.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:14 PM
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14. I'd say the editor needs to be investigated
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:14 PM
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15. Yah, well, I'm an "editor" too
If that shit appeared here as an OP, it wouldn't stay here long. If that shit, but inverted so it was against the anti-choice people, it STILL wouldn't stay here!

Over the top.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:56 PM
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23. Especially since there is no such thing as postnatal abortion
That is murder, plain and simple.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 06:18 PM
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26. I'd argue with you...
...but your right! :-)
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:06 PM
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8. that newspaper needs to be asked about their policies
I cannot imagine any newspaper with a shred of ethical integrity printing that letter.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:15 PM
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17. Yes...
...by people with badges and dark suits.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 02:51 PM
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19. I like that they did it, myself; probably handed that dumbass to the cops over it
You can't say there isn't evidence of the guy's statements concerning doctors if he publishes them in the bloody newspaper, after all.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:04 PM
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3. Absolutely.
You should also alert the local women's clinic to what you read.
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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:05 PM
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4. Why did the paper print it?
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:05 PM
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5. So, the foyer of a church is a "back alley, unsanitary" location?
It would perhaps do more good to forward this missive to a psychiatrist.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:06 PM
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7. Turn everything in.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:06 PM
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9. Way over the top but it is free speech
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:14 PM
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16. Actually, it is slander.
"Why, even the large tissue mass known as Dr. Tiller pushed the envelope of rights of postnatal abortion! He would actually induce birth, take the child (um, fetus) while its big toe was still inside the mother, cut open its neck, sever the spinal cord and vacuum out its perfectly functional brain, collapsing its head."

I promise, Tiller never did any such thing. The law, R v W, specifically prohibits late term abortions of healthy fetuses; it is a procedure only used if the fetus is dead or will die upon delivery.

The paper is NOT obligated to disseminate lies.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:08 PM
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10. Yes. nm
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:11 PM
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12. Holy crap, that guy sounds like a major psycho.
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Lancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 02:45 PM
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18. Just got off the phone with my Dad,
Edited on Fri Jun-12-09 02:46 PM by Lancer
retired editorial page editor of a Southern daily with (in his years with the paper) a circulation of around 50,000. He was on the editorial page from the late 50s to the early 70s. He received and printed many angry letters in support of segregation, busing, the KKK, Communist infiltration, Vietnam, the Kennedy and MLK assassinations, etc.

I read him this letter and he says no... that isn't free speech. Says the last paragraph is what does it: -- protecting a "basic right" which does not exist, that is, legal murder by individuals.

"So Dad, would you have told someone in law enforcement about this letter?"

"I'm not sure I would have then, but I would now."


FWIW
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:13 PM
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22. It will be interesting to see if the FBI agent calls me back on Monday.
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ebdarcy Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 02:58 PM
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20. Yes, this guy definitely needs to be visited by someone with a badge.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:12 PM
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21. That's for real?
"perfectly functioning brain"? Not when it's overfilled completely with fluid. Not when there's no brain there. Kinda hard to function with no brain.

"Stopping someone who practices infanticide is good. Taking a life is bad. How does one make this decision?"

Can these people be locked up for being insane?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 04:17 PM
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24. "..where both men and women can choose to terminate abortion doctors safely"
Wow!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 04:20 PM
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25. If he is calling for immediate action, yes. That's against the law. n/t
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