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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 02:44 PM
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On Freepers and white supremacists
It's pretty amazing. The Freepers are scrambling to redefine this Von Brunn guy as a Lefty, when it's completely obvious by his own words he is a right wing conservative. Check out this thread--it's incredible. The OP claims "Museum shooter hated right wing", but points to a segment of this quote:

The American Right-wing (RW) with few exceptions is totally Pacifist. From the NA to neo-Nazis they preach non-violence. They are "educators." If you already know the score you are no use to them. Their Websites illuminate the problems that Aryans face. Each day new alarms are sounded, adding more fuel to the raging fire. Their sites receive "hit after hit" from patriots, scared old folks asking to help -- young folks asking for leadership. Business $$is good. But that's as far as it goes. Their subscribers, smoldering with rage, ready for action, are told to take a cold-shower -- or pray.

The RW does NOTHING BUT TALK. It offers no Goal, no short or long-term objectives, no plan of action against the well-known enemy. There is no strategy, no tactical advice. Only the warning: DO NOTHING, BREAK NO LAWS, SIT TIGHT (as it has for almost 100-years).

Exactly the advice Marxists/Liberals/Jews want to hear.

But not the advice one would expect from Jefferson, Hale, or Patrick Henry. Even a kid in grade school knows when it's time to get his knuckles bloody.


...and everyone agrees this means Brunn was a liberal! Even a moron should be able to see that this quotation clearly shows Brunn sympatizes with the right, but is disappointed that they do not embrace violent tactics. Not to mention he clearly identifies his enemies as "Marxist/liberals/Jews," which really ought to put an end to this avenue of debate.

And then downthread, there's this display of total cognitive dissonance:

Here is a story by Ann Coulter about the birth of the Dixiecrats.

At the 1948 Democratic National Convention, a group led by Senator Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota proposed some controversial new civil rights planks of racial integration and the reversal of Jim Crow laws to be included in the party platform. Southern Democrats were dismayed. President Harry S. Truman was caught in the middle for his recent executive order to racially integrate the armed forces. As a compromise, he proposed the adoption of only those planks that had been in the 1944 platform. That was not enough for the liberals. Truman's own civil rights initiatives had made the civil rights debate unavoidable.

The planks were adopted and 35 southern Democrats walked out in protest. They formed the States' Rights Democratic Party, which became popularly known as the Dixiecrats. Their campaign slogan was “Segregation Forever!” Their platform also included “states’ rights” to freedom from governmental interference in an individual's or organization's prerogative to do business with whomever they wanted.

New York moderate Nelson Rockefeller's defeat in the presidential primary election marked the beginning of the end of moderates and liberals in the Republican Party.

Clearer political and ideological lines began to be drawn between the Democrat and Republican parties as moderates and liberals converted from Republican to Democrat. Conservatives in the Democratic Party began to move to the increasingly conservative Republican Party.

Meeting in Birmingham, Alabama, the Dixiecrats nominated South Carolina governor Strom Thurmond as their presidential candidate, and Mississippi governor Field J. Wright, as their vice-presidential nominee. The party platform represented the openly racist views of most white southerners of the time. It opposed abolition of the poll tax while endorsing segregation and the "racial integrity" of each race. In the November election, Thurmond carried the states of Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina. Although Thurmond did not win the election, he received well over a million popular votes and 39 electoral votes.


By 1952, southern Democrats had concluded that they could exercise more influence through the Democratic Party and therefore returned to the fold. They remained in the Democratic fold, restive, until the candidacy of Republican conservative Barry Goldwater liberated them in 1964 by refreshing some of the Dixiecrat ideologies and therefore accelerated the transition from a solid South for the Democrats to one for the Republicans. Strom Thurmond switched to the Republican Party that year and remained there until his death in December 2003.

Other presidential candidates, such as Republican Richard M. Nixon in 1968, have effectively used the Southern strategy of "states' rights" and racial inequality to garner votes from the racially conservative electorate in the southern states.

29 posted on Fri Jun 12 2009 14:05:24 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) by Polarik (It's the forgery, Stupid!)


Here is a fairly accurate (surprising considering the attribution) rundown of how Southern racists defected from the Democrats to the Republicans when Democrats finally began to embrace civil rights for all races. And yet it seems to be presented here as evidence that Democrats are racists! The Freeper mind is truly a bizarre study in compartmentalization.

All of this is nothing, though, compared to another thread:

FREEP A POLL:Should the U.S. keep a closer watch on white supremacists?
South Florida Times ^ | 6-12-2009 | South Florida Times
Posted on Fri Jun 12 2009 11:16:58 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) by AZ .44 MAG

Should the U.S. keep a closer watch on white supremacists?

Yes
No


Just guess which answer the Freepers are pushing? Just look at their results - 90% no, 9% yes.

Fucking unbelievable. These people should at least have the balls to admit what they believe.
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That Is Quite Enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 02:46 PM
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1. "The American RW with few exceptions is totally Pacifist..."
Edited on Fri Jun-12-09 02:47 PM by That Is Quite Enough
HURH HURH HURH...NO OIL FOR PACIFISTS! Wasn't that one of their 'witty' slogans from the beginning of the new dark ages, around the time we invaded the Middle East under the Cheney/Bush cabal?

Fuck em. Republicans and their radical libertarian offshoots are terrorists.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 02:55 PM
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3. Yeah, there's a difference between pacifists and wusses.
They just want their killing done for them.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 02:59 PM
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4. Back when I was dating my RW BF, he always used to inform me that pacifists
were pussies. He HATED pacifism. And he was a fairly typical RWer from what I could see.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 10:00 PM
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10. Can't say I disagree, really.
Self-defense seems like a pretty valid concept to me.
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 02:55 PM
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2. The South became solid Republican during the Johnson administration.
There was no way they were going to accept civil rights for black people. Anyone who does not accept the fact that most Republicans are racists is totally stupid.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:15 PM
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5. That's why I think it's so nuts when they draw examples of racist Democrats from ancient history.
Yes, there were a lot of racist Democrats--until they all joined the GOP. Examples from generations past only emphasize that.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:24 PM
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6. The bit by Coulter is either the least insane thing she's ever written...
or cribbed from a dictionary. It's just too dispassionately and factually written.

The first part? I don't think they're trying to portray him as as Lefty, but as a FReeper hero - an example to others - without openly condoning his actions (because then, everything we ever said about them would be vindicated).
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:36 PM
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7. You're right
I doubt very much she wrote that.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 04:05 PM
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8. They actually are portraying him as a liberal
There's sourceless claims that he was a registered Dem, that he "probably voted for Obama" and much more along those lines. And of course, the "Nazis were socialists" thing.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 04:57 PM
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9. Their Massa, Rush, framed the issue and the parrots are following
through repeating it.
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