Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

This is the end.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 06:45 PM
Original message
This is the end.
Edited on Fri Jun-12-09 07:16 PM by Fovea
Beautiful friend.

Looking at the sweep of my life as history I think some overarching themes, and their possible meanings appear. As a child, the world was unabashedly anti-communist, but with a blind spot for the New Deal, which was seen as the real reason the depression did not look like the Weimar Republic in the 30s. Business leaders had finally, by 1960, regained some measure of respect. The cold war was serious, but was a 'good war' until the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis. We learned absolutely nothing from the whole scary debacle, indeed, we became more obscessed with the space race (for bigger, better sputniks), bomber gaps, missile gaps. And at the hight of the madness, a 600 ship navy.

At that point, no one seriously thought about depletion of oil, no one realized the hot war the cold war was a proxy for was unsustainable even for the short run. At that point, no one saw that America was all dressed up for the wrong kind of war (it still is). Vietnam, came, and America's strategy became more brutal well before Tet, and impotently desperate after. This was the next important teaching moment America did not learn from. Pure Hubris. But at least America was working; buzzing furiously to make cars, roads, houses, weapons. Texas was pumping our oil.

That is why the oil crisis of the 70s was so devastating. It revealed a fatal flaw, a hard limit to American power and its captive markets. From that point onward, our global stance between Israel and the Arab world became one of being forked, and became a focus for the next series of proxy wars between us and the Soviets. Our industries fared unevenly. Old shipyards flourished, aircraft, and other military suppliers fared well. Petro support was still robust, Dresser industries was still merrily coating America with asbestos, Dioxin was being sprayed on dirt roads in Eastern Missouri.

But by the Reagan years, union busting was just a formality. Outsourcing was already happening to electronic component systems, gasoline engines, and more significantly to our desires for global hegemony, computer hardware had moved to Indonesia, and other states whose alignment was not assumable. By this point, the paradigm of capitalism had changed in America from manufacture to financial industries. Union membership started dropping. Soon after, we ignored yet another teaching moment. It was called Silverado. How do I say we did not learn? Neil Bush is walking free.

Through the whole sweep of these years, one fundamental idea propelled all activity: progress would continue unabated, growth and higher efficiency would outstrip Malthus. This idea was like many articles of faith, not much examined. No one seemed to question where the limits were.

Even now, if you listen to the media, we will soon return to the old status quo, with a few tiny tweeks. But here is what I see. We have reached the telos of the church of endless growth. Factories that run themselves hire no workers, and no widgets are sold, because Ford's rule has been abandoned in favor of the cult of finance and service. Now, that this is revealed as a non-viable economic model, going back to the status quo is not possible. Neither is the oil market going to help us, as the former large producers are at or past peak production, and neither exploration or refining capacity reflect an industry that thinks it has a future.

We are at the end of the old. Getting to the new is not going to be easy or pretty, but one thing is for certain.
The fat cats, war pigs, and hedge fund buccaneers are going down hard. I think we need to squeeze them like a bushel of hemp seed, until a social safety net for all Americans appears.

Because otherwise, getting to that new paradigm of lean energy budgets, new labor based economies in manufacture and agriculture is going to be unacceptably rugged. The assumption is not of endless growth, but the ability to provide and sustain with less efficiency

That is the new beginning.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 06:47 PM
Response to Original message
1. I don't know. And for that matter, neither do you.
I'm not a big believer in this kind of prognostication. too many variables.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. Yes,
your feelings are well documented.
I do not agree with your phobia regarding macro trend analysis.
But I know quite well that you do have an affirmative dislike for looking forward.

I stipulate that no one knows what waits outside their door. That is why we should all carry spears.
But I think that despite your loathing of prediction, even you surely agree the tendency to not learn lessons goes on apace.

I will manage to go on if the required number of magic bullets to propel us past well understood future crises appear.
But other wild eyed maniacs such as the DoD are willing to risk being just as wrong as me, so I am on an exclusive
ship of fools, at least. They consider the 21st century a road full of IEDs.

Also, I do not just blurt out prognostications like the Pythia, but try to ground them in the trends of the past, on the idea that the past is often a useful
predictor of the future.

But as I say. You have made your feelings on such matters well known previously-- as such, I duly note them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. lol. I do not have an "affirmative dislike for looking forward"
I have a degree of caution about crystal ball gazing, and that's what I think your OP (largely) is.

Most predictions of the kind you made, have a distinctly poor record. Yes, the future will hold "bad" things. That's about as close to fact as you can get about the future, but it's also a fact that the variables are numerous.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 06:50 PM
Response to Original message
2. Well said. n-t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 06:51 PM
Response to Original message
3. Well well.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 06:59 PM
Response to Original message
4. No, THIS is The End
This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
Ill never look into your eyes...again

Can you picture what will be
So limitless and free
Desperately in need...of some...strangers hand
In a...desperate land

Lost in a roman...wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane
Waiting for the summer rain, yeah

Theres danger on the edge of town
Ride the kings highway, baby
Weird scenes inside the gold mine
Ride the highway west, baby

Ride the snake, ride the snake
To the lake, the ancient lake, baby
The snake is long, seven miles
Ride the snake...hes old, and his skin is cold

The west is the best
The west is the best
Get here, and well do the rest

The blue bus is callin us
The blue bus is callin us
Driver, where you taken us

The killer awoke before dawn, he put his boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and...then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door...and he looked inside
Father, yes son, I want to kill you
Mother...i want to...fuck you

Cmon baby, take a chance with us
Cmon baby, take a chance with us
Cmon baby, take a chance with us
And meet me at the back of the blue bus
Doin a blue rock
On a blue bus
Doin a blue rock
Cmon, yeah

Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

It hurts to set you free
But youll never follow me
The end of laughter and soft lies
The end of nights we tried to die

This is the end
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 07:07 PM
Response to Original message
5. Well said
Too many people still don't get it.Think everything is gonna be ok.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 07:15 PM
Response to Original message
7. K & R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 07:46 PM
Response to Original message
9. It has been our New Beginning.

We are no longer Good American Consumers.

If they are going to keep the Wars going, Increase Military Spending, and Bailout Billionaires while telling Middle Class Workers they must "compete" with 3rd World Slave Labor, they will do so without our help.

What we can't build/raise/grow ourselves,
we trade/barter/buy 2nd hand or salvage and make it work.

Next year, we will consume even less.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 07:50 PM
Response to Original message
10. Profound. I regret that I can not advance a strong counter-argument. n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 09:30 PM
Response to Original message
11. It's tough
You look around and see people merrily going on as if nothing will ever change.

We live in the land of the free, and the home of the brave. We really do.
Freely ignoring the reality of the end and brave to keep on acting like it is not the end.

I feel sorry for the little ones, brought into a world that is over the hill and a people that are demanding that the little ones pay later for our excesses today.

One can only hope there are enough good people that figure it out now and begin adapting to the change in a way that limits the suffering due to come.


Peace

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 30th 2024, 04:26 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC