Aide's tale of John Edwards sex tape

[checks-n-balances]

Aide's tale of John Edwards sex tape

Former Edwards aide Andrew Young says the ex-senator and his former mistress, Rielle Hunter, once made a sex tape, according to someone who has seen Young’s book proposal.
St. Martin’s Press just inked a deal with Young, who also says in his proposal that, contrary to his public statement last year, he is not the father of Hunter’s infant daughter — Edwards is. Edwards has denied that.

Young says that his belief in Edwards ran so deep that he agreed to take the fall for the candidate, inviting the pregnant Hunter to live with him, his wife, Cheri, and their three children. Later, after Hunter delivered the baby, Young and his family moved to a different home in California.

While he was unpacking, Young discovered a videocassette, according to the book pitch. Hunter had been hired by the Edwards campaign to videotape the candidate’s movements, but this one is said to have shown him taking positions that weren’t on his official platform.

The purported sex tape confirmed to Hunter that Edwards was even more reckless than he thought...According to our source, Hunter confided to Young that she and Edwards talked about getting married should the candidate’s cancer-stricken wife, Elizabeth, pass away, even discussing what music they’d play at their wedding.

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/06/28/2009-06-28_aides_tale_of_john_edwards_sex_tape.html#ixzz0JlMLbkRc&D

[DURHAM D]

1. oh vomit

[Inspired]

4. lol! I was going to post 'Oh Puke'!

edited to remove dupe word.

[janedum]

48. WoW! That really sucks! nt.

[Moondog]

53. I think, at a minimum, projectile vomiting is called for here ....

[Liberal_in_LA]

2. Ruh roh

[WeDidIt]

3. IF there is a tape, it'll end up on the internet

Guaranteed.

[DaLittle Kitty]

18. IF? IF ? IF? IF? Show Us Da Tape BOZO Or Shut Da Fu*K Up!

ANYTHING to make a $Buck$! Riel IS A DirtBag! IF... there is a tape you can be sure that Edwards was not operating under informed consent!

Like Hunter was in love w/ Edwards?

The Bitch was using EVERYBODY IN TOWN!

Mr. Young obviously was NOT a friend of Edwards at ANY time and was most probably a plant to fuc* him up just like Ms. Scumbag Hunter!

The 80's barfly hosebag! Well documented in some other klowns short story I believe! :puke:

[cali]

20. lol. still defending johny liar scumbag.

blame everyone but the disgusting fuckwad himself. I remember your ridiculous adoring posts about little johny hedgefund and you still don't get it. pathetic.

[WeDidIt]

24. The scum bag fucked her while his wife is dying of cancer

I got no sympathy for the piece of shit.

[greguganus]

60. It's not a sex tape! It's a documentary on Edwards helping the less fortunate. n/t

[MADem]

138. Ah, yes, the kindly candidate, giving of himself..... nt

[Maru Kitteh]

67. Poor widdle Johnny and his unsuspecting penis.

Tisk, tisk.

[geek tragedy]

68. Wow, cultists never admit they were wrong. nt

[Dorian Gray]

103. He's the one

who had sex with her while his wife was ill. I have more disgust for his actions.

[Clintonista2]

108. You're right! Edwards is the victim in all this

:eyes:

[tekisui]

5. How stupid can one be? If you're gonna do something stupid,

at least be smart about it.

[namecallerholic]

75. So, you just assume that a Presidential candidate would agree to be filmed cheating?

And don't say, "yes, if they are stupid enough to cheat while running for President," because if that's the case then 1) we'd never have Bill Clinton who cheated a lot more before becoming President than he did after becoming it, and 2) cheating while running versus cheating while you're President, don't see much difference as far as intelligent behavior goes.

Everyone knows you shouldn't cheat on your spouse until you become President, just like you shouldn't cheat your shareholders until you become CEO, right?

[Happyhippychick]

6. Why would somebody agree to say he is the father of another man's child when he has a family?

Why would this person then let this woman move into his house? That doesn't make sense even if it is true.

The whole situation is bizarre.

[cali]

9. the answer to that is easy.

powerful men attract sycophants.

[katanalori]

11. Powerful women attract sycophants too -

see Palin followers.

[Happyhippychick]

15. True. I just find this so extreme - one man's willingness to sacrifice his own family for another.

I know cheating men do that all the time but this guy wasn't having an affair, his mistress was Edwards!

[indie_voter]

58. *If* this is true, then I'd think his wife would know

If he was taking the fall for Edwards, his wife had to be in the know. Otherwise why would the wife allow Hunter move in to the house with them?

The whole thing is so very odd.

[Happyhippychick]

66. Exactly. Even if it's not true, why would the wife let her move in? Why would she put her kids

through it?

[DaLittle Kitty]

19. UNLESS... Young and Ms Hunter Were PAID To F*ck Up Mr. Edwards By The FASCIST Bastards Who Feared Mr

Edwards hard line on Health Care ... which we could like REALLY use right now! Anyone remember... "You can't negotiate with these people... You must defeat them... and I know HOW to defeat them!" Remember???? That's WHY Ms. Huntress showed up w/ HER VERY SPECIFIC AGENDA! :puke:

[cali]

22. little johny hedgefund only came to his healthcare stance

when he decided to run again and knew he had to position himself to the left of hillary. your theory is insane. Did Hunter rape poor little johny too. And I won't soon forget how johny attacked Howard Dean over his healthcare stance in 2003 and 2004. And face it, kitty, Dean is 100x the human being and healthcare advocate than sleazy johny-come-lately ever was.

[karynnj]

55. Cali - 100 times is an understatement

Edwards had the WORST healthcare plan of all in the 2004 race - and was very annoying with his Republican-like attacks on everyone else as spending too much.

[karynnj]

23. Delusional

Young was a long time Edwards aide, going back before the 2004 race - even back in 2003 when Edwards ran as the centrist DLC pro-war candidate, with the weakest kids only health care plan. Edwards never polled above 15% ever in 2008 election year polls - far behind Obama and Clinton. No one had to stop Edwards - he only won ONE primary in two election cycles.

[Divine Discontent]

47. that is inaccurate, John was polling around 20% nationally in the weeks before his dropping out

which is why his supporters were so angry (me being one) because we had raised $7 million in one day for him all on our own without their help, and his numbers were surging up nationally then no quicker than that happened he dropped out! We know why! America cannot handle a man cheating on his cancer-effected wife - it's just sick.

[karynnj]

54. No he wasn't - I was watching the polls

Pollingreport.com keeps them - spool to the bottom of this link and there are polls from several pollsters - he was at best in the low teens - and was going lower. The polls in many superTuesday states, though were worse - and that mattered.

PLEASE look at the link - http://pollingreport.com/wh08dem.htm Every election, there is a poll or two that are outside the norm. The fact is that once voting started, Edwards was a clear third. He needed to win Iowa and win it BIG - and he spent a huge amount of time in Iowa. He was not popular in NH and he got about 4% in NV. Coming it third in SC, the only primary he won in 2004, was a death knell to him campaign. If he couldn't win here, where was he going to win? (Part of the problem was that in 2004, the media continued to push him as a viable candidate even at a point Kerry had 16 wins and he had 1 and the next group were MA, NY, CA, and other states that Kerry was polling 20 points ahead in. Elizabeth Edwards' account of the campaign made the nomination sound close when it wasn't. In 2008, he was not winning anywhere - and being third everywhere will never work.

It is impressive that activists raised $7 million in a day, but both Obama and Clinton raised FAR more on a routine basis.

[geek tragedy]

72. He was done after getting destroyed in South Carolina.

Well, he was really done then. He was actually done when he finished a distand third in New Hampshire.

No, he was actually done when he lost in Iowa.

No, check that, he was actually done when he handcuffed himself with public financing.

No, check that, he was done when he fucked a Rod Stewart lookalike who made videotapes.

[namecallerholic]

77. Actually, they had to stop him from becoming Attorney General, which is what they did fear.

ALL OF THEM CHEAT. You people's problem is it doesn't become real to you until the media attaches a name to one of the cheaters.

You can't possibly fathom "Obama" cheating, can you? Just like you didn't think Edwards was a cheater "before you heard about it." What's the most important thing, then? "You hearing about it"...duh.

Edwards was the most electable in 2004 according to a PBS research project, and the corporate-owned television media never mentioned it on television because they disliked the "Trial Lawyer" in 2004 and didn't want him anywhere near the Executive Branch in 2008, either.

They know that if you don't want the public to know something (like who their most electable 2004 candidate really is), then just don't mention it on television. Print it, because dumb Americans don't read. Then you can claim that you did report it.

[karynnj]

79. No one feared John Edwards

There are people who really did take on corruption - even in the face of political opposition from everyone. Elliot Spitzer was one who did this controlling Wall Street. John Kerry did when he stood nearly alone fighting BCCI and when he and Wellstone wrote a bill that would have been real campaign financing. That's just two.

John Edwards did not introduce a single piece of anti- corruption legislation in the Senate and he did not investigate any thing. He does not have the experience or background of Holder - nor the relationship with Obama.

In addition, until January 2008, HRC was the odds on favorite to be the Democratic nominee. She was completely unlikely to pick Edwards. So, how do they "stop Him" in 2008 using an affair that started in 2005. That is just not logical. Edwards completely sunk himself.

[namecallerholic]

84. There was a story in a foreign paper where corporate America said the one candidate...

...they wanted nowhere near the White House was John Edwards, because he was a trial lawyer and they didn't trust him. Then you have insiders knowing that Edwards was a contender for Attorney General and he was talking about going after Contractors in Iraq (of which MSNBC's General Electric is one), and they had plenty of reasons not to want him as AG either.

Thanks for playing, robot.

And don't ask me for a link. You've obviously got a computer and Internet access to search for it yourself, since you're here.

What he introduced is irrelevant to what he would do with Executive Office powers. You can get a lot more done there than you can as a Senator, as anyone watching this WEAK Democratic majority in the Senate struggling with every day should know. FDR didn't run as a liberal, but he acted as such in response to the crash and went after the "economic royalist."

Executive powers can be very liberating. Edwards was a trial lawyer who fought corporate American in practice. They feared him for that reason. Their memories are clearly not as short as yours.

[karynnj]

89. Wow, he was a trial lawyer

I am quite capable of searching for anything - or searching the Senate record for what Edwards did or didn't do. It is true that there were many "behind the scenes" stories printed in various places. So many, they can't all be true.

Edwards was a trial lawyer who made huge sums of money for himself, often helping people who had been hurt by doctors or corporations. There are thousands of people who also did this.

PS My memory is likely better than yours. I simply don't take everything I read at face value.

PSS It is really against DU rules to call other posters names. So, behave yourself.

PSS You still did not answer how "they" stopped him in 2008 from being considered as AG by making him have an affair in 2005 - when it was near certainty that HRC would be President and unlikely to pick him for anything.

[namecallerholic]

104. Senate record was less important to the corporate media than his career as a trial lawyer

Edwards made only a percentage of what he earned for his clients. He also made investments that built wealth.

Your memory is not better than mine. I just remember what I was focused on at the time, just like you only remember what you were exposed to.

I characterized you, not called you names. There is a difference.

Yeah, and one of Clinton's boys is in charge of the National Enquirer. We can speculate anything. They stopped him from becoming AG in an Obama administration by discussing the affair, so Obama came out and said that Edwards would not be in his administration as a result of it. If he'd have said otherwise, the corporate-owned media would have turned on him.

[karynnj]

110. I'm done with this thread - you are living in a fantasy world

You can keep your fantasy that Edwards was God's gift to the Democratic party. You can believe that it was evil forces that led the media to talk of the sensational affair of a prominent celebrity politician in July - August, 2008 just because they needed to stop him from becoming the AG. They covered it because it was a sensational story - just as they covered Sanford this week. The fact is that it is very very probable that Edwards will never again be seen as even a minor player in the democratic party.

Can you give me a link to Obama saying that Edwards would not be in his administration?

[cali]

98. his sexual pecadillo was just the cherry on top of the shit sundae that was johny hedgefund

I detested him because he was a war cheering sack of shit and a corporate cheerleader until he decided he needed to go left to beat hillary. stupid, self-serving, piece of shit. Oh, and his wife has terminal cancer, so the cheating thing is elevated to Newt like repulsiveness.

[blm]

114. BULL. Kerry used HIS senate years to UNCOVER IranContra, Iraqgate, illegal wars in CentralAmerica,

BCCI and CIA drugrunning. In June 2003 he TARGETED the FCC ruling that favored media giants - within weeks they dropped most coverage of his campaign and were urging him to get out of the race by Dec. even though his numbers on the ground in Iowa had been rising since early Nov and he had consistently dominated the debates. They targeted HIM vociferously throughout that time and continue to do so.

Edwards never CAME CLOSE to riling the establishment in DC - you can't name ONE ISSUE that he led that had the IMPORT to our nation's historic record that comes anywhere NEAR Kerry's work and to the great number of fascists he PISSED OFF.

Try READING your nation's recent history instead of Edwards' fanzine sites.

[karynnj]

127. All you say is true , but after making similar posts on this thread - I realized that there is no

real need. It is beyond sad, when defending Edwards at all requires suspending all judgment, that some Edwards supporters still knock Kerry to try to make Edwards look better. It really makes no sense for them to bring someone who is clearly a better person, who has accomplished FAR more - it makes edwards look worse. All the things you speak of Kerry doing against corruption and the many things he worked on that truly helped people are real. On some level over time you do reap what you sow.

Kerry already had a place in history from the time he was 27 years old. That courageous act also gave him some implacable enemies, making it a major accomplishment that in spite of it he almost became President and is currently an important Senator and one of the top statesmen this country has. like his Senior Senator, Kerry may end doing more good than many Presidents. Other than the Presidency, Kerry seems to have everything anyone could want out of life.

On a personal level he has a wonderful family, from his siblings who he is close to, to his incredible daughters to Teresa and his step sons, and a large group of friends, many of whom have been there for him for decades. Consider that even after the botched joke, only one money man and no campaign people left Kerry until he chose not to run. This would happen only for a very special person.

He already has a career that he can be immensely proud of with the likelihood of being able to have an impact on foreign policy, climate change and otehr important issues like healthcare. (here's what his hometown paper has to say - http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2009/06/29/colleagues_say_kerry_is_in_midcareer_metamorphosis/ ) From the start he has made, he could very well become the best Chair of the SFRC in history. He is currently the leading voice in the Senate on both foreign policy and climate change.

On top of that, the article speaks of how happy he appears - and all you have to do is watch a hearing in his committee and it is clear he is relaxed and focused on issues he has fought for all his life. What is interesting is that on most (or all) the many trips he has taken this year, he has been accompanied by his incredible wife. Tom Brokaw in introducing him before a nice speech he gave on climate change referred to her as his partner in all these efforts and she may well have helped him pull off the unusual diplomatic successes in Sudan and Syria.

There is no comparison to the sad future and present of Edwards. Salacious as the Young book may be, the damage has already been done - the most interesting thing is that the book may cover the details of all this hush money. I would assume that Edwards would have made sure it was done in a way that was not illegal, but if my assumptions on him had been true - I aslo assumed that in spite of his other flaws, he was true to his wife.

[MADem]

139. No, they don't "all" cheat. And he didn't become AG because Obama's people did good OPPO research.

They most surely knew he was the babydaddy before Elizabeth did.

I did think there was something "off" about Edwards. Didn't know what it was, but I could not warm up to him and found him to be insincere.

Edwards was not "the most electable." If he was, he would have been elected. And people don't wait for the televisions to tell them who the most "electable" is. The TV never told us that Obama was "electable," until shit--he got elected!

FWIW, by 2004, PBS was a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Republican National Committee. Notice how it's sucked worse and worse in the last eight years? That's why. The programming (and the opinions) have lurched well to the right over the past two GWB presidential terms--it's why I no longer give those bastards any money. They pretty much suck, and they don't even give us the same level of Masterpiece Theater that we used to get.

[Adelante]

118. Since 1998, actually

Furthermore, he was well-known as Edwards's clean-up man the whole time. I read another campaign aide say Young was more of an aide to the Edwards family than a campaign aide. Before working for Edwards, Young was a trial lawyer lobbyist.

[cali]

28. in your honor, I just rec'd this thread. cheers.

[geek tragedy]

69. Ditto--I like seeing the Edbots go nuts. nt

[rvablue]

29. Oh. God.

These "Edwards was framed!!!! by the insurance company lobbyists" comments are just downright laughable.

He CHOSE to cheat on his wife. It is so backwards to believe that somehow a woman can "trap" a man into having an affair that he doesn't want to have.

And, if that were even a possibility, I'm glad a man with such flimsy will power never got close to being President.

[TheBigotBasher]

130. Nobody would ever use a "honey trap" ever.

It is not done. No one does it. No Government does it. Nobody does it, at all.

[TheUnspeakable]

41. Are you crazy?

Ok, maybe there's a good chance the right wing staged a terror attack on our country, and probably stole two presidential elections, and waged three wars on a pack of lies, and stole every crumb of money from the treasury, but they would never, ever set up (and/or blackmail),a candidate like Edwards! HE HAD SEX WITH SOMEONE -HE HAS TO GO!!! And thank God that awful Eliot Spitzer is gone ,too. HE HAD SEX, TOO!!!! SINNER!!! He said some bad things about Wall Street and faulty mortgages and stuff, over a year ago, but he's gone ,too . funny. Of course, Vitter is still in the senate, and Sanford isn't leaving, and Newt's probably going to run for POTUS, but that's different-got it?

[Adelante]

119. Fruit cake ingredient

Always has been.

[Inspired]

44. Oh come on. You don't really believe this do you?

Hey, I was a big Edwards supporter so I'm not replying as someone who hated him anyway. He met Hunter in late 2005 or early 2006. Long before he had his 'hard line' on health care. She was no plant put in his path by anyone. It was a chance meeting and she took a calculated risk that he would respond, when alone, to a silly little come on. And he did.

You are entitled to your opinions about John. As far as I'm concerned, he's nothing more than a liar and his lies have dug him into a hole that he can't crawl out of. That is HIS doing. Not Hunter's (who I think is nasty) or Andrew Young's (who must be crazy). They both got paid to keep his dirty little secrets and now they both are probably going to capitalize on this a little more. Yes, they are creepy but so is John Edwards.

[Garbo 2004]

45. They were paid to cover for Edwards by Fred Baron, Edwards' long time friend & supporter.

Baron died in Fall 2008 so that well apparently is dry.

[greguganus]

62. Young was probably PAID by Edwards to babysit his mistress. I wish the hell edwards would leave NC.

Fake ass champion for the poor.

[hfojvt]

97. yeah, unlike FDR who was totally working class

and never cheated on his wife. Plus, now that Edwards is gone, the poor can have a real champion. So far, that champion seems to be - the invisible man.

[cali]

99. johny hedgefund was never for anyone by johny hedgefund and his shit record

reflects that. war cheerleader. pro-Yucca Mtn. Pro "bankruptcy reform". Attacked Dean endlessly for Dean's healthcare proposals being too expensive. Johny liar was out for Johny. Period.

[MADem]

140. Didn't Edwards just shut down one of his charities? Some "champion."

There is no pony--this guy was in it for himself. He was a con man. I think a lot of the money he shoveled to his girlfriend came out of this fake charity he set up.

I hope he's happy in his obscenely large house--if he had an iota of decency, after his wife dies, he and his kids should move out to more modest digs and they should turn that fucking "Carolina White House" barn into a home for battered women:

http://harpers.org/archive/2008/08/hbc-90003382

John Edwards Ends Fling With Anti-Poverty Center
By Ken Silverstein

Once upon a time John Edwards wanted to be president. “Poverty,” he said back then, “is the great moral issue of our century,” he told a group of students at Berkeley in 2005. “People living in poverty need you. And another thing: America needs you.”

To show his own dedication, Edwards “created a tax-exempt nonprofit dedicated to fighting poverty”, reported the New York Times.....While Mr. Edwards said the organization’s purpose was “making the eradication of poverty the cause of this generation,” its federal filings say it financed “retreats and seminars” with foreign policy experts on Iraq and national security issues. Unlike the scholarship charity, donations to it were not tax deductible, and, significantly, it did not have to disclose its donors—as political action committees and other political fund-raising vehicles do—and there were no limits on the size of individual donations.

In other words, the Center may have done some good, but its primary purpose was to serve as a vehicle for Edwards’ political career. Indeed, it appears to be very similar to the bogus “Reform Institute” that John McCain set up after his defeat to George W. Bush in 2000, and which was designed to keep alive his presidential ambitions and reward his cronies.

Edwards of course lost his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination this year, and guess what happened to his big anti-poverty initiative? That’s right–it appears he pulled the plug on it.

About a week before Edwards acknowledged having an affair with Rielle Hunter, Edwards quietly shut down a “scholarship program he started at an Eastern North Carolina high school–a program he once promised would be a model for the nation under an Edwards presidency,” reports the Raleigh News & Observer.....

He's a big old bullshitter. Not a champion. He's a liar who USED the poor as a vehicle for his own selfish ambitions. A sleazebag. How people can continue to "believe" is beyond me. This guy SCREWED not just his galpal, but his wife and his supporters as well--royally. He's a narcissistic asshole.

[Adelante]

115. Young was paid by Edwards' national finance committee chairman

According to editors who saw the proposal, Young went along with the plan—for an undisclosed sum of money—and took Hunter in for eight months. Aided by the late Fred Baron—the Texas lawyer who was an unofficial “uncle” to Edwards and who admitted paying to move the Youngs-plus-Hunter to Santa Barbara, California—Young wanted to help his friend, he says.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-21/john-edwards-baby-daddy-to-tell-all/?cid=bsa:featureline

[Common Sense Party]

64. ...

[flvegan]

74. Wow. Just, wow.

[dysfunctional press]

76. it's still HIS dick, and he has final say over where it goes.

:eyes:

[greguganus]

135. He should of put it in a sausage grinder. n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

126. All part of the plan to destroy his chances and ours too.

:grr: Seems too be ongoing. :argh:

[Garbo 2004]

38. Evidently he was an Edwards loyalist & also was being financially "assisted" by rich

Edwards supporter/friend Fred Baron. Young's usefulness as a public relations cover diminished after Edwards' affair was confirmed and Baron's financial support of Hunter and Young became public. Reportedly Edwards dropped Young. Baron died last fall. So not surprising Young, who evidently is no longer being taken care of, is now trying to make a buck off the saga.

[cali]

7. I got so much shit here for saying johny hedgefund was a

phony. little sleazoid.

[mopinko]

37. i was with ya.

sleazy should be his middle name.
i have a bit of prejudice about pretty boys, i admit. but he just lived up to every aspect of that viewpoint. blech.
:puke:

[geek tragedy]

71. Captain Hedgefund Hairdo, as a friend refers to him. n/t

[greguganus]

136. I've been saying that since he was my senator and did nothing but run for president. n/t

[MADem]

141. I was wid ya, too--he was NQR--Not Quite Right.. Insincere. Lacking something. NT

[Vickers]

8. Videocassette?

:wtf:

Dude, it's 2009!

:crazy:

[XemaSab]

65. Beats reel-to-reel

:P

[Vickers]

82. True DAT!

:crazy:

[foo_bar]

90. True DAT?

[Manifestor_of_Light]

91. Love it!! Audio techie joke!!

:rofl:

[Vickers]

93. I can't believe you *and* Foo_Bar got that joke

I was expecting ONE maybe, but TWO?

:wow:

and

:thumbsup:

[MADem]

142. Believe it or not, a lot of people three to six years ago were still using

the SONY BETA system in professional work. Many still use it today, for ease in editing, mainly.

Seriously. I've seen pictures of "Rielle" and it looks like she was using a digital tape Betacam system.

Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betacam

HDCAM SR, introduced in 2003, uses a higher particle density tape and is capable of recording in 10 bits 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 RGB with a bitrate of 440 Mbit/s. The "SR" stands for "Superior Resolution". The increased bitrate (over HDCAM) allows HDCAM SR to capture much more of the full bandwidth of the HDSDI signal (1920×1080). Some HDCAM SR VTRs can also use a 2× mode with an even higher bitrate of 880 Mbit/s, allowing for a 4:4:4 RGB stream at a lower compression. HDCAM SR uses the new MPEG-4 Part 2 Studio Profile for compression, and expands the number of audio channels up to 12 at 48 kHz/24 bit.

HDCAM SR is used commonly for HDTV television production.

[Blue Diadem]

10. Cripes, the poor Edward's kids. There is no way this stuff

won't be found out by them.

JE, what the hell were you thinking when you hooked up with that woman?


AND:

What slimeball would steal a dead kid's baseball card collection?

[cali]

12. or was Elizabeth just taking out shit on Young?

[Blue Diadem]

39. I was surprised about the lie detector tests for former staff.

I'm not sure what you mean with your post. Do you think the others didn't take tests and she was just going after him? They certainly do have bad blood between them from reading the linked article.

By the way, my reference to the slimeball was about who ever did it. It really is a pretty low thing to do.

[rvablue]

31. Over my head. Who stole whose baseball card collection? n/t

[Blue Diadem]

43. It's in the rest of the article at the link.

Apparently someone stole Wade's baseball card collection and according to the story, the former staff, with the exception of Young, have taken lie detector tests.

[MADem]

143. AND...I have a half sister? nt

[BlooInBloo]

13. I'm curious if anyone here wants *evidence*, or if the word of the gossip section suffices.

[cali]

14. yes, it's gossip, just like the original story was gossip

and it was true. Furthermore, it never made any sense that Young was the daddy of Hunter's kid. and I'll admit it when it comes to sleazy johny hedge fund, I tend to believe the gossip. his track record sucks.

[Name removed]

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[cali]

25. nuttier and nuttier. johny hedge fund never gave a shit about people in poverty

or anything but little johny himself. Hate to clue you in but johny nailed hunter, but that was never my big issue with the fucking phony war cheering, Yucca Mtn, bankruptcy voting, Mr Hedgefund.

[rvablue]

36. Nice sexist backwards thinking you're employing there. n/t

[mother earth]

49. I ordinarily wouldn't even post a reply to this kind of thread with

questionable "story", but I really wanted to pop in and say THANK YOU, DaLittle Kitty for spelling it out for the naive among us who would rather believe this was chance romance/adultery. Whatever people felt about JE, he was a threat to the status quo simply because he was against the corporate takeover, he was never given his just due by MSM, and THAT too was purposeful. Rest assured had this little witch not turned out JE, he would've undoubtedly taken over as the number one candidate.

I guess memory is blurry when it comes to JE, and the fact of the matter was that he dropped out of the race because of RH & the affair. They were dropping rumors all over at the time as I recall of someone (unnamed of course) that everyone would be surprised at...shoot I'm still PO'ed over the whole fiasco. Every last JE supporter was flippin angry that he didn't stay in the game.

THANK YOU, Kitty, for spelling it out. If some have to hate JE & sleaz-ify him, have at it, (Yeah, that'd be you, Cali) but heck, at least point out the fact that ain't nothing happening by chance these days.

YES, Spitzer falls into that category. Wow, naive DU'ers....who knew? LOL, now I'll step off my soapbox, but hell it still hurts that we lost the only candidate going after the corporate bloodsuckers, and look at our economy...salt in the wounds.

Who needs rethugs when we have ample DU'ers on the attack in a story that's rumor & a story that's probably lining someone's pocket...why give substance to it at all? Sure, we haven't heard the last of this tabloid fodder...everyone wants to get in on the money train.

[karynnj]

61. Here are the primary polls from all major pollsters

The bottom of the link has the older ones. So, scroll down - look at ANY of the polls. Edwards was a clear third and after Iowa he was trending DOWN.

http://pollingreport.com/wh08dem.htm

As Cali said, in 2005 when he met Hunter, his new completely different platform had not yet been created. All they would have based things on was his conservative Democrat Senate career, where he voted for the bankruptcy bill and his 2004 platform where he blasted every other Democrat for their expensive healthcare plans. Feingold was telling the truth when he said Edwards was running on his (Feingold's) record, not his. He did not even back Kerry/Feingold - be was against a deadline.

[geek tragedy]

70. Is this snark or are you really that naive and stupid

as to believe that Edwards is the victim here?

[mother earth]

111. No, no, not at all, JE did what he wanted, I personally feel it was

a sweet little set-up for the predictable to take place & it did. WE ARE THE VICTIM. Get it?
The one guy who had the real issue, out of the race. The issue lives on, and we will be fighting it til the end. NO snark, just fact.

[Maru Kitteh]

78. Who is forcing the penises of all these unfortunate men into these mistresses?

Are they just accidentally tripping on their office rugs and landing penis first in these women or what?

[Garbo 2004]

81. Nearly lost the keyboard on this one...

:spray:

:rofl:

[Raine]

95. Yeah they just keeping falling

and landing on these women with their stiff dicks going into one place in particular. :wow: :rofl:

[Dorian Gray]

105. Isn't that how it works?

[mother earth]

112. It's not about their penis, it's about negating and destroying

any one man who is on the "right" side of justice, or who is taking on real issues.
Maybe re-read DaLittle Kitty's assessment. Hunter in one way or the other did the rethugs a great service. Mudcat Saunders was a strong supporter & campaign mgr. for JE, to me that along speaks volumes. Anyway, JE is done, but we are the losers, chalk one up for the bad guys.

[cali]

117. we are the winners. we got rid of a phony piece of shit who never did one

fucking thing for the poor in this country but use them. you want someone real? Bernie. Howard. These are people who actually give a shit about healthcare reform. Not johny corporate ass hedgefund.

[mother earth]

129. Yes, I agree about Bernie & Howard, but JE had the issue and it

was his platform. Never forget it. He was the only one who got it right, but he was a huge disappointment in his personal decisions, a lesson he had to learn, but it was at our expense. Make no mistake, we are the losers each time the bad guys win. Strength in solidarity, collective strength, one man alone will never win. It might do well for all at DU to realize that.

[MADem]

145. And that's why he cancelled the scholarship program he set up for kids, after he lost.

He is an opportunist--and anyone who still believes him at this late stage is a full-blown fool.

The only "right" side he's on is the right side of Rielle's bed.

We're not losers--we're WINNERS. I shudder to think what might have happened if that narcissistic, cheating pig got to national office. He would have destroyed the Democratic Party for the next ten or fifteen years.

Chalk one up for the good guys--the ones interested in running government, not fucking forty somethings they meet in bars who have done half the bands in the "glam rock" era.

[cali]

100. bwahahahaha.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


The Edwards apologists are proof that delusional has more than a toehold on DU. Did anyone force little johny liar to not only vote for the IWR but to propose his own sucky IWR? Did anyone force the little slime to vote for Yucca Mtn? How about the shit bankruptcy bill? Was he forced to go work for a very slimy hedgefund? Was he forced to invest millions with them and make money off the backs of Katrina victims? Finally, was he forced to fuck Rielle Hunter?

Pathetic.

[MADem]

144. Threat to the status quo? He was an asshole who couldn't keep his dick in his pants.

Keep chugging the kool aid--and do some reading about your hero. His feet are made of clay. http://harpers.org/archive/2008/08/hbc-90003382

Do you still believe in Santa Claus, too?

Your position is that of a groupie holding desperately onto a fantasy. Get yourself grounded. This ain't rumor no more--or did you not listen to Elizabeth Edwards when she appeared on Oprah, pissed off and looking like she'd been beaten down?

"Rethugs" didn't do this to Edwards, he did it to his cheating-ass self. Wake up and smell the coffee.

[karynnj]

59. Edwards wasn't tricked and Hunter actually kept things secret

I seriously doubt that John Kerry excused Edwards for this with any such excuse. The only Kerry comment I saw was in a local MA paper where he was asked when campaigning for his re-election to comment on Edwards' confession. From memory, he simply said that he felt sympathy for Elizabeth and the kids. PERIOD

[WeDidIt]

16. IF a tape exists, it'll hit the internet

IF there is no tape, there will be nothing on the internet but text.

So far, there's nothing but text.

Logic dictates at this time to take the allegations of a sex tape with about ten truckloads of salt.

[karynnj]

128. Nothing in this article matters

They are mere details - salacious as they are. The facts that are true are:

1) Edwards had a long term affair at least in 2006 and 2007. (If it was completely over in 2007, EE would be certain on the baby)
2) Edwards lied to his staff and to his supporters and seemed almost adolescent in thinking he was immortal and would never be found out.
3) Edwards was a chameleon for his entire politic life - there is no type of Democrat he did appear to be at one time or the other.
4) His biggest skill was his charismatic ability to get a jury or the public to believe what he was saying, but it is not clear there in any depth or real commitment to anything. (As to poverty - look at his bankrupcy vote and his work for a hedge fund involved in predatory lending. Which did more his bad actions or his good words? It could be a toss up.)

[mountainvue]

17. Oh Jesus. I hope this isn't true. n/t

[HCE SuiGeneris]

26. Why, oh why are you posting this insipid drivel here?

I mean, really... the Daily News?

[NYCGirl]

27. The NY Daily News is a pretty decent paper. NT

[checks-n-balances]

33. I don't even read the NYDN, but I originally got the headline from Huffington Post

When I clicked on the headline it sent me to the other site, and there was no web address for it on the Huffington Post. Maybe it is common practice for them.

[NYCGirl]

34. There's nothing wrong with the NY Daily News. The poster is confusing it with

the NY Post, I believe.

[Stephanie]

51. Jinx

It happens all the time here on DU. :hi:

[Stephanie]

50. People constantly confuse the NY Daily News with the NY Post

The Daily News is a decent paper. It's in tabloid form, complete with gossip columns, but they have excellent political reporting. Don't diss the Daily News if you haven't actually read it.

[Adelante]

120. Good paper

New Yorkers have read it for generations, including my own family.

[MADem]

146. You're confusing it with another paper, I think. Same size, different publisher. NT

[spanone]

30. who cares?

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[cali]

35. who? hedge fund Johny?

He's worse than she is. And advocating beating up women is unacceptable. period.

[d_b]

46. oh come on

You've never received a good donkey punch?

what a bore.

[progressoid]

40. Oh goodie, more gossip. That ought to help.

[undeterred]

42. "taking positions that weren’t on his official platform"

And his official platform was actually pretty good.

[Stephanie]

52. I wonder what pissed Andrews off? Or is he just in it for the money?

His career in politics is over now, regardless. Why do this?

[Raine]

96. Andrews probably just got sick

of taking the blame for the kid when he's not the one who got all the "action".

[Adelante]

121. EE's book tour, I suspect

He may figure if she can do it and make money, so can he. I rather agree with him, if that's his thinking. It's his life story, too.

[cagesoulman]

56. "..talked about getting married should the candidate’s cancer-stricken wife... pass away..."

FUCK! EDWARDS, FUCK!!

[omega minimo]

57. Wedding song ideas: Jolene, Lying Eyes, Love Hungry Man, Everything's Broken...

[greguganus]

63. I bet his hair stayed in place during the sex scenes. n/t

[omega minimo]

92. yes, he put it on the dresser

:yoiks:

[namecallerholic]

73. Did Edwards know he was being videotaped or should we assume he did because he cheated and lied?

Also, I guess we should all believe everything that Hunter says, because we know that the most honest people are those who fool around with someone they know is married.

Not saying that her words aren't true, but I see no reason to just believe them. Especially from a woman who was working on a television pilot about women who trap and steal married men.

Having a sex tape of one running for President seems like a pretty good bargaining chip to me...the Pilot Episode. No politician running for President can possibly be dumb enough to agree to be filmed cheating.

[Feron]

80. Case in point: Gary Hart

There are politicians that dumb.

In any case, an Edwards sextape has to be better than Screech's.

[namecallerholic]

88. Did Gary Hart have a sex "tape"? Couldn't easily find it with a Google search.

[tuckessee]

83. This is a dude who was thinking with his Johnson.

He might very well agree to a sex tape if he was horny enough at that moment and his piece asked in convincing, seductive way.

[Beacool]

122. Sounds about right.

Men are sooooo easy and women know how to play them like a fiddle. Guys would do almost anything for a chance to get laid.

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[Garbo 2004]

85. Young claims he found the tape in his stuff after he & family moved to separate digs in CA.

At least that's what NYDN reports.

As far as I know Hunter hasn't said anything publicly against Edwards or about any tape.

[namecallerholic]

87. Young found the tape...the question still stands.

Did Edwards know that he was being filmed, meaning he agreed to it?

Also, Hunter lived with Young, and "told him" certain things. Should we believe everything that she says as if she is pure and chaste?

[Garbo 2004]

94. I've no reason to believe any of them, including Edwards, on their word alone.

If such a tape indeed existed or still exists, how would I possibly know the circumstances under which it was made?

Initially I didn't think Edwards was stupid enough to be having an affair while running for President, talking up his family values, his marriage and how a politician's private conduct was an indicator of public trustworthiness. He was the "character" candidate. Obviously, Edwards was just that stupid. And with someone like Hunter...whose background just screams "discretion," huh.

[namecallerholic]

102. All of which could still be what he believed, even though he cheated.

What does character mean?

Nothing more than human beings are clearly flawed. Edwards never said that anyone who cheats isn't fit to be a public official, just that voters have a right to consider important whatever they want to consider important.

To say that and cheat is not a lie, and cheating doesn't mean that he doesn't love his family, just that he has flaws just like everybody else.

The sooner people stop believing that politicians should be saints, the better.

Clear out the cheaters, all of DC would be empty, along with most households in this country.

[cali]

106. his cheating bothered me far less than his senate record, his rah rah for the Iraq War

his ripping into Dean in 2003 and 2004 for Dean's wanting to expand healthcare coverage dramatically through public options, his going to work for a sleazy hedgefund, his disgusting energy gobbling megamansion while he urged Americans to cut down on energy consumption, his supporting Yucca, and on and on and on.

[Garbo 2004]

113. It's the judgment (lack thereof), recklessness while going for the prize. He set himself up.

As to what he believed and would fight for, who knows? It would be different if his legislative record had been a profile in courage. Or if his post Senate activism wasn't tied to running for Pres and dropped along with his failed campaign.

He failed to learn the lesson of Clinton. When you're busted, you're busted. Might as well own up since it's out. Deny and the chase is on. (Unless you can control the media, and he wasn't in such a position. The MSM laid off him during his campaign, but if he had become a serious contender that likely would not have been the case.) Even if his career was on the line, manning up and admitting responsibility would have at least salvaged some dignity. That would have taken guts.

Instead months after he dropped out, he's running like a scared bunny from the National Enquirer. And then has that disastrous Nightline interview. When "coming clean" to the public, pointing out that your wife was in remission while you were cheating on her, as if to suggest you after all have some standards when it comes to cheating on your wife, is not going to win a lot of PR points.

This is the guy who was going to have the courage and steadfastness to relentlessly take on Congress and corporate America?

[JI7]

86. the guy who was paying them off for Edwards died

my guess is they are trying to blackmail Edwards into giving them more money. Rielle still wants to be with John and live as a family.

[bklyncowgirl]

101. IF Edwards knew he was being taped doing the nasty with his girlfriend....

he is the dumbest person on the face of the planet.

It is possible that the girlfriend did it surrepticiously in order to be in a position to blackmail him. I certainly hope that this is the case because the thought of a man who thought it would a cool idea to tape himself in bed with a woman who not his wife--or even a woman who is his wife--is just too dumb to be even the number 3 ranking Democratic presidential candidate.

That the thought that this could be used as a quite effective tool for blackmail apparently didn't occur to him speaks volumes.

[TorchTheWitch]

109. He was dumb enough to fuck her without birth control

He was dumb enough to have the affair in the first place.

He was dumb enough to buy off Young to claim he was the father.

He's still dumb enough to continue denying the kid is his.

He's plenty dumb enough to have made a sex tape.

[Name removed]

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[NYCGirl]

116. Because she constantly told Edwards how wonderful he was. She appealed to his

ego.

[Beacool]

124. Yep, and male egos are pretty fragile.

I don't know why they call us women the "weaker sex", we are usually much tougher than men. If men had to go through childbirth, we would have been extinguished thousands of years ago.

:eyes:


:7

[TheBigotBasher]

131. Wow - we agree on somthing

:toast:

[Beacool]

134. Well, even a broken clock is accurate twice a day.

:shrug:



:hi:

[MADem]

147. Have you ever seen a pic of Wallis Simpson? She got the king off his throne!

It ain't all looks--it's "attitude."

[WI_DEM]

123. I can't believe even Edwards would be that dumb.

[lefty369]

125. Something

never did seem right with Edwards. Figures he would turn out to be a perv.

[TheBigotBasher]

132. I think this has to be put up or shut up.

There were far too many stories of tapes last year, one in particular puts all such future tape blackmail stories at the starting point of zero credibility.

Hmm, Larry Johnson, now why did I think that?

[liberalpragmatist]

133. I'm skeptical

I would not be surprised if Andrew Young is adding salacious details to further his book deal.

[MADem]

137. .....taking positions that weren’t on his official platform....

I am sorry that it's come to this, but I have to say I am not surprised. Those stupid tapes that Rielle made of him were "icky"--it was obvious that something was Not Quite Right...

And THIS bit--Jesus--what a soap opera! All I can say is, I'm glad Obama didn't give him the AG job!!!

...Elizabeth Edwards is said to hold Young partly to blame for her husband’s affair, since Young knew it was going on and sometimes used his cell phone to conference the senator and his girlfriend. Young has told friends that, in revenge, Elizabeth arranged for the media to learn about a youthful misdeameanor in which Young was arrested for stealing a sign from a biker bar.

Elizabeth also suspects Young stole the baseball card collection of her late son, Wade, according to a source who says that she told Young in an e-mail that other former staff members “have passed lie detector tests.”

Young’s proposal, which one editor said “was impossible to put down,” also contends that Sen. Edwards frequently clashed with running mate John Kerry during their 2004 race for the White House. And before Edwards owned up to his affair with Hunter, Young says he told him that Barack Obama had promised he’d make him attorney general if he didn’t pick him as his 2008 running mate.

Elizabeth Edwards and Young’s agent had no comment. An e-mail to John Edwards’ assistant wasn’t returned. Hunter couldn’t be reached.