Here's what "Chemical & Engineering News" has so far about melamine, aminopterin...

[eppur_se_muova]

Pet Food Recall
Cause Of Deaths, Illness In Pets Remains Elusive
FDA and Cornell labs find melamine but not the previously reported aminopterin in food, wheat gluten, and animal tissue

Lois R. Ember

As the scope of the U.S. pet food recall widens to include more brands and dry as well as wet varieties, the mystery of the cause of deaths in 16 pets and illness in tens of hundreds of animals thickens.

The Food & Drug Administration and Cornell University's Animal Health Diagnostic Center report finding melamine in food and wheat gluten samples. Cornell has also detected the compound in the kidneys and urine of deceased cats.

Earlier, the New York State Food Laboratory reported finding the rodent-killing compound aminopterin in samples of pet food made by Menu Foods (C&EN, April 2, page 11). Neither FDA nor Cornell has been able to detect aminopterin in samples they analyzed.
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Aminopterin is not registered as a rodenticide in the U.S., though it has been used to kill rodents in other parts of the world. It can cause kidney failure, especially in cats.
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Melamine, a small, nitrogen-containing molecule, is used as an industrial binding agent and flame retardant and, when polymerized, as a plastic to make cooking utensils and plates. In Asia, the monomer has been used as a fertilizer, but it is not registered for that use in the U.S.
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more: http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/85/i15/8515news7.html

This is not terribly helpful, and does not contain anything really new, but it is worth seeing what makes it past the editorial process in a journal directed at chemists, and written largely by people with degrees in chemistry. So far, it seems that the contradictory test data have not been resolved.

[BrklynLiberal]

1. So, I guess whoever was supposed to check out that imported wheat for contamination

was busy doing something else....

[kestrel91316]

3. I am sure I read in some regulation someplace that, because of GATT,

FDA is legally prohibited from testing purity of imported substances from countries that "certify" their purity. We have to accept their word for it.

It's known as "free trade".

[undergroundpanther]

4. picking his nose

I don't think it's the wheat I think it's the rendered protiens and broths from rending plants that just reached the toxic overload saturation point of when recycled "material" becomes too toxic to recycle again..

[undergroundpanther]

2. Go to the source ..renderers

RENDERING PLANTS .Read what your pets eat and if we do not change the corporate chronie culture at the FDA and the destructive land management of big agribusiness and factory farm we may also soon be EATING.

Enter the Rendering Plant
Rendering is the practice of converting waste animal parts into marketable products, such as meat and bone meal (MBM) for animal feed or as human food additives, cosmetics, leather products, etc., all of which provides a huge revenue for the livestock industry and avoids the problem of having to otherwise incinerate or land dispose of this enormous amount of material (53).
ttp://chemistry.about.com/cs/medical/a/aamadrender.htm

As the American Journal of Veterinary Research explains, this recycled meat and bone meal is used as "a source of protein and other nutrients in the diets of poultry and swine and in pet foods, with lesser amounts used in the feed of cattle and sheep. Animal fat is also used in animal feeds as an energy source." Every day, hundreds of rendering plants across the United States truck millions of tons of this "food enhancer" to poultry ranches, cattle feed-lots, dairy and hog farms, fish-feed plants and pet-food manufacturers where it is mixed with other ingredients to feed the billions of animals that meat-eating humans, in turn, will eat.
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/petfood1.html
http://www.naturalrearing.com/J_In_Learning/Diet/Food/InTheBag.htm
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/04/26/18179911.php
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1607483,00.html

Among the best and most thorough treatments of mad-cow disease was an article written for the Atlantic Monthly in 1998 by science journalist Ellen Ruppel Shell. She argues that if BSE arises in cattle naturally at the rate of one in a million, then there would be 100 with BSE among the nation’s 100 million head of cattle at any given time. And if any of those cattle somehow entered the food chain — say, in high-protein animal feed that is later fed back to cattle — then BSE can spread far beyond those 100 head. Humans are exposed by eating contaminated beef — a danger heightened by such practices as slaughtering cattle with pressure guns, which blast highly infectious brain and spinal tissue into the edible parts of the animal carcass.

Shell focuses especially heavily on animal-rendering plants, " a series of altogether unsavory places where dead cats and dogs, road kill, the occasional circus animal, and the diseased carcasses of farm animals are mixed into a ghastly, belching stew. " Yum. Among the products made by these plants is the aforementioned high-protein animal feed, which turns cows into cannibals by feeding them byproducts of other cows — including, potentially, cows with BSE. Complicating this considerably is the fact that other animals dumped into the stew may also have TSEs — especially road kill such as elk and deer, which, in the Western United States, are experiencing an epidemic of a TSE known as chronic wasting disease. Finally, to save on energy costs, rendering plants in recent decades have perfected a system of low-temperature cooking. The problem is that sustained exposure to high temperatures is absolutely essential for killing TSEs

http://bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/dont_quote_me/multi-page/documents/02074604.htm

[kestrel91316]

5. The melamine didn't come from rendered anything.

Where have YOU been for the past 3 weeks?!?!!?

[undergroundpanther]

6. I think it DID

Let me explain WHY I blame renderer's..Melamine is a chemical used to make plastics.

dehydrated food garbage, fats emptied from restaurant fryers and grease traps, cement-kiln dust, newsprint and cardboard, as well as cattle and hog manure. Chicken manure is popular, because it’s cheaper than alfalfa and hay (5, 20). Human sewage sludge is even used in some countries (19). The fur is not removed )and the dead animals are cooked at 115°C for 20 minutes (5, 7, 19, 20). And this can legally go into your pet food.
http://chemistry.about.com/cs/medical/a/aamadrender.htm



"Even plastic winds up going into the pit. Unsold supermarket meats, chicken and fish arrive in styrofoam trays and shrink wrap. No one has time for the tedious chore of unwrapping thousands of rejected meat-packs. More plastic is added to the pits with the arrival of cattle ID tags, plastic insecticide patches and the green plastic bags containing pets from veterinarians.
Skyrocketing labor costs are one of the economic factors forcing the corporate flesh-peddlers to cheat. It is far too costly for plant personnel to cut off flea collars or unwrap spoiled T-bone steaks. Every week, millions of packages of plastic-wrapped meat go through the rendering process and become one of the unwanted ingredients in animal feed.
http://www.preciouspets.org/rendering.htm


A greater sensitivity of cats to a chemical found in plastics and pesticides could explain why they’ve died in larger numbers than have dogs after eating contaminated pet food, experts said Saturday.

The small number of confirmed reports of pet deaths bolstered by a far larger number of unconfirmed anecdotal reports suggests cats were more susceptible to poisoning by the chemical melamine that tainted the now recalled pet food, officials with the Food and Drug Administration and American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals said Saturday.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17870750/

Remember.. melamine is used to make PLASTICS,and guess what renderers fail to take out of their dead animal stew? PLASTIC.
Where have YOU been?


I got out of surgery april second A double mastectomy(male chest reconstruction) I still got drains in bandages and all and on top of this I caught my mom's cold..and I ain't here belittling YOU as if you are stupid so don't pull that shit with me..

Melamine has other names and it breaks down into other chemicals too. A list Other Names for Melamide
02284 (CA DPR Chem Code) , 1,3,5-Triazine-2,4,6-triamine , 108-78-1 (CAS Number) , 108781 (CAS Number) , 2,4,6-triamino-1,3,5-triazine , 2,4,6-triamino-s-triazine , 2284 (CA DPR Chem Code) , 777201 (US EPA PC Code) , Cyanuramide , Cymel , Cyromazine breakdown product , Melamine , S-triaminotriazine , Tiaminotriazine

http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Chemical.jsp?Rec_Id=PC35459

And was does a hazmat search on the names of melamine and it's chemical breakdown components reveal?.

CYANURAMIDE That I suspect may be the culprit and it is related to the breakdown of melamide from manufacture of plastic..A kidney toxicant..fancy that..Just a coinkidink?
http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles/summary.tcl?edf_substance_id=108%2d78%2d1
Cyromazine another nasty chemical
http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles/summary.tcl?edf_substance_id=66215%2d27%2d8

[PhilipShore]

8. Exactlty, Environmental Pollution=toxins in the pet food

[undergroundpanther]

10. Environmental and chemical

From plastic bags meat containers etc, creosote and citronella(used to mark 4d meat nasty shit they do, among other things, all heated up and cooked.. Come on it's alot more than environmental it is INDUSTRIAL poison and the byproducts of things like vets who ship unwanted pet carcasses in plastic bags to rending plants.The Vet association admits what it condones..And the drugs used to euthanize pets have been found in pet food how did THAT get in there? Unless someones pet got mixed in.
That is why when I have to put a pet down due to illness, I take the body home with me.I give them a respectful burial.Give time to mourn. None of MY cats will ever be left behind at the vets to be sold as 4d meat sprayed with citronella or BHT ,get crushed by a machine and boiled and made into cat food at Valley Proteins rending plant.

[PhilipShore]

11. I see "environmental pollution" as including all

Atomic, Biological and Chemical toxins.

[undergroundpanther]

7. Are you a VET Kestrel?

Do you put euthanized pets killed at your office in plastic bags,where do you send the bodies to be disposed of Kestrel? Where do they go? A rending plant?

Toxic Waste:

The following menu of unwanted ingredients often accompanies with dead animals and other raw material:

· Pesticides via poisoned livestock

· Euthanasia drugs that was given to pets

· Some dead animals have flea collars containing organophosphate insecticides

· Fish oil laced with bootleg DDT

· Insecticide Dursban in the form of cattle insecticide patches.

· Other chemicals leak from antibiotics in livestock,

· Heavy metals from pet ID tag, surgical pins and needles.

· Plastic from:

1. Styrofoam trays from packed unsold supermarket meats, chicken and fish

2. Cattle ID tag

3. Plastic insecticide patches

4. Green plastic bags containing dead pets from veterinarians

Skyrocketing labor costs are one of the economic factors forcing the corporate flesh-peddlers to cheat. It is far too costly for plant personnel to cut off flea collars or unwrap spoiled T-bone steaks. Every week, millions of packages of plastic-wrapped meat go through the rendering process and become one of the unwanted ingredients in animal feed.

[Holly_Hobby]

9. Ahem....Kick

:kick:

[populistdriven]

12. melamine is made from polymerized urea which is made from ammonia