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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:03 PM
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I wants me a Gore/Clark ticket for '08. Who's with me...?
Gore represents a way for the country to 'correct' it's past mistake of voting for trainwreck Bush. Voters will feel absolved. Also, he's a sure thing with most voting Dems.

Clark represents a sharp military mind...just what the public wants to solve the Iraq mess.

I don't think these two could possibly lose!
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:05 PM
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1. yes yes yes
perfect combination
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:07 PM
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4. Isn't it? I think that even a lot of Republicans could get on board
with this one.
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A Brand New World Donating Member (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:06 PM
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2. That's me too! My dream team for all the reasons that you've
already explained.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:06 PM
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3. Well, they couldn't lose, but I'd hate to see Clark wasted in the VP
position. The VP is president of the senate and little else (unless you're Dick Cheney).

If he's not president, he should be Secretary of State.

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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 02:14 PM
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40. I agree, Clark would make an excellent Sec of State ....n/t
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:07 PM
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5. I'm inclined to agree that some regretful Bush voters
might be inclined to view a vote for Gore as a mulligan.

I like Gore but I'm troubled by the 'he might run as a third party candidate' leaks.

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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:14 PM
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10. Yeah. I think some of those voters are deeply, deeply disturbed
about the monster they helped create. I think there's no small amount of buyer's remorse there.

And a vote for Gore would be like a do-over for them...not to mention the fact he's a lot more likable these days, and has much broader appeal.

My only concern is that if he jumps in, the media will play a lot of those cringe-inducing Bush/Gore debate moments (like the one where Gore gets in Bush's face and tries to stand him down...bad call).

If that happens, Gore needs to just state matter-of-factly that he was listening too closely to bad advisers (which I believe is the truth). The American public always forgives when someone admits to past bad judgment.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:07 PM
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6. I think that would be a great ticket and a great administration. nt
Edited on Sun Apr-08-07 01:08 PM by Ilsa
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Parisle Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:07 PM
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7. It certainly works for me,.....
--- I just wish I knew what Gore is thinking these days. Gore-Clark would be the best conceiveable ticket, no doubt.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:10 PM
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8. It would also go a long way to restore some credibility in the eyes of the world
I mean Gore. Gore/Obama would be good too. And Clark for Secretary of State. I think Obama would benefit from serving as VP - it would give him the experience that some people seem to think he lacks.
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:12 PM
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9. On "Tell me something I don't know" yesterday morning -
on the Chris Matthews Show - the something from 2 people was that Gore is working on losing 40 pounds prior to his entry into the presidential race.

Hope it's true! He is the only one that I could out and out trust without any doubts.

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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:15 PM
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12. The person who brought it up was Dan Rather. NT
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:36 PM
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22. I would like Gore for Prez, Clark/Secretary for Defense
haven't made up my mind about VP, Obama is popular and has charisma, they need someone
from the West or the South to balance the ticket.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 02:10 PM
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36. Clark can't be Secretary of Defense.
One has to be out of active duty military for 10 years to serve. Clark's only been out seven (eight by 2008).

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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 02:15 PM
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41. rats, I still think he's a good pick for a cabinet post
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 02:19 PM
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43. You are correct. I think whoever gets the Dem Nomination would have to consider Clark for Cabinet...
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 02:23 PM
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45. I have great respect for him
But, I think people need to see him on a national level in a public office before he
can run for president, I think a cabinet position would be a good idea. I think
that he would make a good president but I don't think that he's had enough exposure
to appeal to the American people.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:14 PM
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11. personally, I favor a Gore-Schweitzer ticket with Clark...
...in whatever cabinet post he wants to have.

Schweitzer is some kind of wonder! If he were to serve with Gore as VP, we would lock in the WH for 16 years, I believe. And the earth would be a vastly better place for humans.
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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:16 PM
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13. Sounds like a dream ticket. I don't think Gore will run however.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:56 PM
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33. If he doesn't run, it'll be one of the greatest missed opportunities
in American history.

My gut is sometimes wrong, but my gut is telling me he'll run.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:17 PM
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14. I'm in!
*droolsmiley*
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Number9Dream Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:18 PM
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15. How about Clark/Gore?
For me, personally, I'd prefer to see a Clark for President ticket. After Gore failed to win Tenn. in 2000, I think Clark would fare better in the red states. Clark/Gore; Clark/Kucinich; Clark/Obama; Clark/Edwards.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:21 PM
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16. I don't think either is a deal-breaker, but since Gore was already
VP to a popular President, he is a more likely sell as President.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:28 PM
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18. No way Gore would run as a second on a ticket
IMHO, it would be an insult to his stature as a statesman to ask him to do so.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:41 PM
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24. I agree, but who knows what goes on behind closed doors.
I don't pretend to know how the candidates throw this stuff together to suit themselves.

Of the two, I do think Gore is the President.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 02:41 PM
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46. Gore's already run and won this race before
It woudl be absurd for him to play #2 to a guy who's never run for office in his life. I always marvel at the scope of political knowledge/sophistication here. From sub-zero to amazingly impressive.

Julie
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:26 PM
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17. Fine by me, but a reversed order would be better, here's why.
Foreign policy is the President's bailiwick and that is Clark's strength (and only real qualification other than visceral cross-party appeal). The Vice President's position is defined by the President and Clark is well known to be effective in delegating authority and Gore is unequaled in his knowledge of Washington in-fighting and is a world-class policy wonk.

Add this to the Vice President's ability to work out of the spot-light and get things done and it looks to be tailor made for Al Gore.



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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:45 PM
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27. Maybe in theory...but in practice, the public would buy Gore/Clark
if for no other reason than the name recognition of Gore and lack thereof with Clark.

Most voters don't know the details of these men's abilities. Most will just see the following equation:

Gore (the anti-Bush) + Clark (the Iraq solution) = help for an ailing America

Also, it's not as if Clark will be kept in a White House closet as VP. He will have plenty of influence in that role, and the public assumes so.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 02:09 PM
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35. I think that you are over looking the fact that the overwhelming majority
of voters know less than nothing about politics and policy. I believe all they will see in Al Gore is his environmental stance and that he lost to arbusto® (election debate aside, they are unaware of this too) and failed to carry his own state. They like the unknown/political outsiders, that's why they've voted against Senators for the last dozen or more cycles since Harry Truman and even he got in as the Veep/successor.



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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 02:53 PM
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50. The average voter has no idea who carried what states when.
They just know who they like at the moment, and I think most of them would like Gore/Clark.
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NurseLefty Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:32 PM
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19. YES, YES, YES! n/t
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:33 PM
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20. Gore/Clark or Clark/Gore....
....both dream tickets. Both progressives to the core. Both experienced. Both liberal. Both environmentally conscious. Both experienced with foreign policy and neither a war hawk in general or pro-Iraq-resolution in particular.

Unfortunately, neither seems to be running. However, if they got together and ran as a team....they would be 1) a wonderful ticket, and 2) unbeatable
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:33 PM
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21. I wants me a Gore/Obama or Gore/Edwards ticket....
I like Clark, but I want him as a Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense or Secretary of Peace.

:hi:
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:53 PM
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31. He will impact that area of policy regardless. But he is a sure
thing to help get Gore elected.

The others, coming off as too milquetoast for the average Joe, are not a sure thing. If anything, in may people's eyes they will weaken the Gore ticket. We need the balance of a diplomat like Gore and a hard-ass like Clark.

The Secretary of State issue will be in very good hands if these two are elected.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 02:12 PM
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38. Obama and Edwards would lose the South and mid-West
Edited on Sun Apr-08-07 02:13 PM by Clark2008
and Clark can't be Secretary of Defense and there is not, nor never will be, a Secretary of Peace.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:38 PM
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23. I don't wants me anything.
I would be satisfied with Gore. I would love a Gore/Kucinich ticket.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:41 PM
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25. I've been saying that's the winner for a whlie!
Of course, ANYTHING is better than the assholes we've got now.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:55 PM
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32. But we don't need just anything. We need the best possible...
and that is what a Gore/Clark ticket is.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:43 PM
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26. I'd vote for a Gore/random ball of lint ticket against the fucking republicants.
If he runs, he's got 2008.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:46 PM
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28. I Want Clark For Secretary Of State, not VP
Best qualified man in the country for the job and it would instantly cause us to regain respect in much of the world but certainly in Europe.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:50 PM
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30. I think Gore needs to pull out all the stops to get elected. Clark
will do that for him...I'm not sure a lot of others will.

These two men will then be more than capable of finding an equally excellent Secretary of State. Clark is not the only suitable man for that job.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 02:03 PM
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34. I Think Gore Could Be Elected With Jenna Bush as His VP
Bwahahahahahahahaha!
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 02:13 PM
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39. But why would we want to waste Clark's talents like that?
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 02:47 PM
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48. Because they wouldn't be wasted, and it would ensure a Gore
win.

Clark will prove a valuable asset no matter his position in the administration.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:48 PM
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29. well duh!
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ProgressiveFool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 02:12 PM
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37. I would vote Gore/Ham Sandwich
Gore with any VP wins for me, also Obama with any VP.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 02:51 PM
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49. Well, a ham sandwich has more apparent moxie than a few Dem
nominees I could name...

but I won't, because I enjoy being able to walk. :P
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bmbmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 02:18 PM
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42. You have chosen wisely.
You have chosen the Holy Grail.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 02:23 PM
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44. I'm down with this. I don't get why some feel Clark's talent will be wasted as VP.
Especially given our recent experience with the current VP, who has essentially turned the Office of the Vice President into the policy-making arm of this country's executive branch. Clark can provide direction and leadership as VP. Gore has the edge as far as domestic and environmental policy goes. Plus, he's already proven he can win an election. Clark can ensure that we continue Democratic leadership after 8 years of a Gore presidency. Combine a Gore/Clark ticket with an increasingly Democratic Congress and we may be able to reverse some of the damage the Bush/Cheney junta has done to this country and the world.

Make no mistake, it will likely take a good decade to root out all the infiltration by the GOP evildoers into every branch of American government. This is the team that can get us back on track with domestic, foreign, and military policy.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 02:44 PM
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47. Yes I am
It would be a big step in the right direction
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