How about this as an example of how ridiculous Don't Ask Don't Tell is?

[cboy4]

Allies' stance cited in US gays-in-military debate

By DAVID CRARY, AP National Writer David Crary – 1 hr 48 mins ago

NEW YORK – When it comes to dealing with gay personnel in the ranks, the contrasts are stark among some of the world's proudest, toughest militaries — and these differing approaches are invoked by both sides as Americans renew debate over the Pentagon's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

In the United States, more than 12,000 service members — including dozens of highly trained Arabic linguists — have been dismissed since 1994 because it became known they were gay. Current targets for discharge include a West Point graduate and Iraq war veteran, Army National Guard Lt. Dan Choi, and a veteran of combat missions over Iraq and Afghanistan, Air Force Lt. Col. Victor Fehrenbach.

***In Britain, on the other hand, gay and lesbian service members marched in crisp uniforms in the annual Pride London parade July 4. Gay Australian soldiers and sailors had their own float in Sydney's Gay Mardi Gras parade. In Israel, the army magazine earlier this year featured two male soldiers on the cover, hugging one another.***

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With such polarized views as a backdrop, Associated Press reporters took an in-depth look at how the militaries of Israel, Britain and Australia have managed with serve-openly policies, and interviewed partisans on both sides of the debate in the United States about the relevance of those experiences.

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Israel:

A nation in a constant state of combat readiness, Israel has had no restrictions on military service by gays since 1993 — a policy now considered thoroughly uncontroversial.

more---------> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090712/ap_on_re_us/gays_in_the_ranks_1


In this June 11, 2009 photo, Israeli army Maj. Yoni Schoenfeld , right,
listens to his partner Noam during an interview with the Associated Press
in Tel Aviv, Israel.
(AP Photo/Ariel Schalit)

[BlooInBloo]

1. As if more examples were needed, but sure - that works.

[MadMaddie]

2. What did I hear the other day

Since this policy has been in place...the number of soldiars kicked out equals 3 brigades?

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/05/gays_being_kick.html

All of the other countries noted have been able to move on. Here is the kicker the Repugs are fighting this because once the military makes an important civil decision so goes the country.....the country is ahead of the military on this one but a reversal of this law would move it along faster.

[chrisa]

3. DADT is based on idiotic stereotypes.

The morale excuse doesn't cut it. It's also based on old ideas that need to die.

[unblock]

4. the old outright ban policy was based on those stereotypes. dadt is even sillier.

the OLD policy was that gays were banned from the military, period. your list points out the idiotic stereotypes and homophobic fantasies it was based on.

dadt is the sort of compromise only a politician could love. the implicit logic is that gays ARE fit for duty right up to the point anyone finds out about their orientation. at that instant, no record of valor, skill, competence, dediction, or achievement is enough to overcome it, and they must be kicked out.


in truth, it's BIGOTRY that causes problems in "unit cohesion" and it's BIGOTS who should be punished, and, if their behavior is not corrected, kicked out.

[EFerrari]

5. Kick.

:grr:

[Skittles]

6. gays folk currently serve and have always served in the US military

they've always been encouraged to LIE about who they and practice deception which is utterly INSANE