Medicare and Health care for all ...Hmmmm!

[Texasgal]

While driving home today I listened to my local talk radio program.

A very good question was posed: Why aren't the republicans all upset over Medicare and prescription drug programs? Isn't single payer the same thing essentially?

Why is it OK for one class and not the other? While I agree that medicare has it's problems, hasn't it worked out well overall?

Funny, the calls that came in. No one could answer that question!

[wroberts189]

good question +1

[county worker]

1. A public option will prove that the republican mantra is bull shit.

They always say that private industry can do everything better then government. But they are afraid that a public option that competes with private insurance will put private insurance out of business. The two ideas are diametrically opposed.

[wroberts189]

2. At least two people have unrecd this ..why? nt

[bobbolink]

4. Because, according to the admins, they are "responsible"

They've been going around unrecing poverty threads, too, but that is now acceptable and I don't see health care advocates complaining about THAT.

[wroberts189]

11. If I see that happen I will post about it... I rec the poverty threads.

this was the first time I saw the black hand of darkness hitting unrec with my own eyes.

[bobbolink]

20. I could give you links, and I would appreciate it.

Some of us are hurt knowing how little we are valued.

[wroberts189]

24. When you see them .. message me and I will be happy to join the resistance. :) nt

[bobbolink]

25. Thanks, I gotta saved, so be looking for a PM.

Thanks! I really appreciate it!

As if we poor folk didn't feel ignored and disdained enough....

:cry:

[wroberts189]

33. "There but for the grace of God go I" nt

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35. That's not something we hear much anymore, is it?

The Oprah "I did it so you can too" mentality has replaced it.

:cry:

As Alexis de Tocqueville said, what will be the undoing of the United States is our rigid rugged individualism.

:cry:

[wroberts189]

37. I had to look up the exact quote..I almost had forgotten it.

THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD GO I - "On seeing several criminals being led to the scaffold in the 16th century, English Protestant martyr John Bradford remarked, 'There but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford.' His words, without his name, are still very common ones today for expressing one's blessings compared to the fate of another.

Bradford was later burned at the stake as a heretic."


From the "Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins" by Robert Hendrickson, Facts on File, New York, 1997.

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3. They ARE "upset". They've been trying to get rid of Medicare and Medicaid since the inception of

those programs.

[Jakes Progress]

5. gomer norquist

has said so. He said that they wanted to break the government and make it so poor that medicare, medicaid, and all of the New Deal programs would have to be cut out.

Sounds like their getting their dream.

[bobbolink]

8. "gomer norquist"

:rofl:

Thanks for that! :hi:

[wroberts189]

12. Yes ..he said he "wanted to drown it like a baby in the bathtub"

Strange analogy to make but true.

[Jakes Progress]

38. It seems like his dream is being realized.

Of course they had bush for eight years to help them ruin the economy, but this is exactly what the neocons said they wanted. And four years from now, they get to blame a Democrat for it.

[Texasgal]

6. I haven't seen many people

too upset about medicare. I've seen people froth at the mouth of single payer though. :shrug:

[bobbolink]

7. Then I would suggest listening closer to the RW. Someone pointed out "gomer" Norquist..

"gomer" :rofl:

I don't know if you're arguing with me, or really haven't paid attention to their real agenda.

They want these "govmint handouts" erased.

And Medicare and Medicaid make them particularly nutz.

And, no, before you ask, I won't look it up for you. You can find it.

[Texasgal]

9. I'm not arguing at all

I am an RN that works very heavily with Medicare on a daily basis and I haven't seen one person whine or moan about the program. I'm in Texas so I am pretty sure that many of these folks are GOP'ers.

No reason to be rude. Just thought I'd post something that provoked thought. :shrug:

[bobbolink]

10. No, those, GOP or not, who are in need and get served wouldn't complain.

As a nurse, unless you are dealing with a rich patient, in which case they likely wouldn't be using Medicare anyway, you're not likely to hear that brand of ugliness. I thought you were talking about politicians.... they have been notoriously vocal about ridding us of the scourge of Medicare and Medicaid.

If y0ou're calling me rude, don't bother. I said I didn't know if you were arguing. DU has become a cesspool of ugliness, and I finally got tired of it and the predictable responses, i.e. "Prove it" and decided to cut off that crap at the pass. It's just too wearing.

Had youy said from the beginning that you're a nurse and don't hear complaints from patients, I would have had a clearer picture.

Actually, from what I understand, doctors don't complain about medicare, either, because they say its much easier to bill.

[Texasgal]

14. Tons of well off patients use medicare

why wouldn't they? They get their bills paid for along with a supplement!

What I am trying to convey is that there is a double standard in this nation that perhaps would be good to address. One class feels that medicare and prescription programs are fine by them but the healthcare for all is not. I find it delightfully hypocritical.

[wroberts189]

15. You need a break... I need a break. We all need a break...

So many health care insurance and other shills on the board you do not know who is friend or foe sometimes. Fighting for the cause has been hard today.

[Texasgal]

16. It's weird isn't it?

It's hard to tell around here some days!

Thank you for your responses! :)

[wroberts189]

28. Your OP was spot on "MEDICARE FOR ALL ! "

I wish I had had the courage to post it myself. I had considered it. But I tend to rec and post to threads instead unless I got a good one.



"MEDICARE FOR ALL NOW !" is my new mantra


I have been fighting for the same causes of all progressives ..and I fight because I think this a good board that is watched by many.

[Texasgal]

32. Hmmm... that sounds like an awesome

signature phrase!


Maybe I should change mine!!! :)

[bobbolink]

18. The ugliness existed waaaay before the health care shills.

It's no healthier than war is.

But, too many people enjoy attacking and seeing how much ugliness they can get away with, without the mods getting down on them.

It's a big, ugly game.

[wroberts189]

21. Like one Du'r said ..you need thick skin. It's so easy to lose it or take offense.

I find myself troll bait so often I had to pad the walls of my room so I would not hurt myself.


And some here stoke the fire on purpose (not talking about this thread)

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27. I will NOT become just as "thick" as the ugly ones. That is the way they win.

Try reading "The Highly Sensitive Person", by Dr. Elaine Aron.

If we truly want to build PEACE, we must rethink and relearn this whole "thick skin" thing. It is NOT the way to peace, and will never be.

[wroberts189]

30. I took the idea to mean not to go nuts if someone insults you.

The idea was we need to be more peaceful and not let mis-interpretations get to us until we know for sure .. friend or foe.

[bobbolink]

31. When I am hurt, I will show it. I will not become an actress, or wear a mask.

If that is "nutz", then so be it.

It's better than letting my self be destroyed by the crap that passes for "discussion" here.

If more of us were courageous enough to show our hurt, our fear, etc., we'd be a hell of a lot more human.

[wroberts189]

34. By all means do that... just avoid friendly fire... misunderstandings . nt

Its easy to misunderstand people here... writing skills are not always good.

[bobbolink]

36. I hear an implied blame, and I won't take the bait.

As I said, that's why I asked.

It's useless to go further with this.

[wroberts189]

39. Damn it... no implied blame to anyone.

I do not take (mostly) or give bait ... I warn against responding to it.

I am mostly commenting on my years of email and posting where I have seen tiny unintentional slights bloom into huge flame fights.

I was trying to defuse a situation between you and the OP that ended up getting defused on its own.

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btw

Still send me a link or two that you think needs a boost...

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40. Yes, we women took care of it. ^_^

Links sent quite a bit ago.

[Texasgal]

26. I apologize if my post came across gruff

or rude... That was not my intent at all. :hug:

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29. Thank you.

:hug: back to you!!

And it wasn't that you were..... I just wasn't sure, as you used some of the same wording.
That's why I asked.

I'm very angry that so much ugliness is allowed here that we're put in this position.

This is WRONG!!!

[wroberts189]

13. She wasn't .. she was pointing out the media bias against single payer. nt

[ejpoeta]

17. because medicare is already here, and people love it or at least like it...

and messing with medicare would be very bad for republicans. as i suspect if we ever get a single payer or even a true public option would be the case as well. so they need to try to kill it before it can get that far. that's why they insist that no one one WANTS it, but if they had a choice would flock to it all in the same breath.

[Laelth]

19. No country that has ever adopted a form of socialized medicine ...

... has ever gotten rid of it. People love it. The R's would be wasting their breath (and ticking people off) if they even suggested getting rid of our meager health care safety net.

:dem:

-Laelth

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22. Shhhh.... not too loud. ...this country is working very hard to be the FIRST.

Then we could all be soooo proud.

NOT.

[slipslidingaway]

23. rec #9 nt