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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:13 PM Original message |
How about a national sales tax to pay for health care - tax every thing that is bought or sold |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. how about ... "Military Funding" ...!!! we could all retire next week |
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D-Lee (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
75. Or anything ELSE but the most regressive tax known to man or woman nt |
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jcarterhero (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
100. Oh, definitely |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. A tax On Sale Of Stocks And Bonds, Sir, Would Be An Excellent And Useful Measure |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. we already have that. |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
28. Also the greatest responsibility-reducing mechanism ever created |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
37. what's needed is a transaction fee... |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
39. Capital gains is not a sales tax. It's a tax on income. Sales taxes are taxes on production. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
54. Nonesense, Sir |
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rosesaylavee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. I am going to bookmark this response ... this is very well said. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #54 |
72. Precisely. Furthermore ... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
65. tax on trades would improve price discovery. v. "price-making" via manipulation. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #7 |
88. Stocks don't create wealth, productivity does. Stocks only intercept that wealth. n/t |
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POAS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
113. We used to have a transaction tax |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
30. Yup. That's my favorite proposal whenever sales taxes are discussed. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #30 |
57. Quite Likely, My Friend |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
3. How would that be enforced and administered? |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
4. At least one single payer country works that way. |
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Andy823 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. I agree. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Would you PLEASE read up on REGRESSIVE taxes before shooting off your mouth? |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Lol, you're funny. And running around from thread to thread attacking people. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Educate yourself. The way you're talking sounds exactly like RW radio. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. You might do a little research yourself. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. You don't lecture me on health care, dearie. I've been more involved than you, so cool it. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. I don't need or want anyone to pay for me. I pay for myself and contribute towards |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Wanting poor people to be taxed more is TAKING CARE OF YOU. |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #27 |
40. Neoliberals |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Yes, to some extent that's true. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. I will remind you again.... check your FACTS. Educate yourself before speaking about stuff you |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Europeans pay a lot in taxes. I have lived in Germany, France and Canada. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. Your memory is going. We were discussing SALES TAX. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:05 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Fine. If you wish to talk about sales tax in Europe, please look up VAT. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #64 |
104. Oh good grief. A couple of days ago it was being more educated |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #46 |
85. I don't know that it's worth arguing with her |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #85 |
102. Thank you for bringing out the obvious! For her, it's more important to "win" and "be right" |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. I haven't been to a state yet that does not have a sales tax |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #51 |
71. The money spent by Americans on healthcare is money thrown into the garbage. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #71 |
84. And That Is The Point, Ma'am: People Get Something For Their Taxes |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #84 |
97. Yes, that's mostly it. Where were you the entire night. You could have said it plainer. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
83. you are out of line and insulting people. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
38. the reason a sales tax is regressive is because the poor spend a larger percentage of their income. |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
43. The GST works pretty well here in Canada. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. Yes, I know. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
67. it's a flat tax, there's no sliding scale about it. as percent of income, the rich pay less. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
87. Let me tell you a story. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
91. Show us one with a Gini index of 47. |
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Andy823 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
5. I agree. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. So, you would like for DUers like me to have the little we have TAKEN AWAY FROM US?? |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
6. It sounds like a hard thing to implement. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. "Imperceptable" to those of you with comfortable disposable incomes. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. In general, I really hate regressive taxes, including sales taxes. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. You still don't get it. It wouldn't be BAD for YOU. |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
90. Poverty is a direct result |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
9. wtf |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Oh, but you see.... we DON'T COUNT! |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
10. Oh, yes.... that would be soooo brilliant! FUCK THE POOR! REGRESSIVE TAXES FOR ALL!! |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
11. I would not be in favor of it. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
15. How about we stop putting everything on the backs of the poor and working classes? |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
17. Wait till you tell everybody in the country you are going to take a chunk of their income. |
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meow2u3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
19. Do you want to price the poor out of buying necessities? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. VERY well said! |
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frog92969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
21. Sales tax hurts the poor |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
23. This seems like a plan, a good one. Many years ago, I had a job |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Really |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Well gee, I guess it's a failing in me that I don't have an all-consuming |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. This is not about hatred of the rich |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. I have no problem with that |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
77. There is tax on winter coats now, but not on food in Fla. nt |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. In a perfect single payer world... |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. The folks I am concerned about |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #49 |
79. I would be happy to pay some additional tax to pay for health care |
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lexanman (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. I think you meant to say |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
74. Actually, I said what I meant to say. And the idea of hatred of rich |
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lexanman (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:55 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. I have yet to see |
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masuki bance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
61. Take some time and research the effects the luxury tax had |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #61 |
76. Some years back, in the 50's when I got my first job while in high |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
24. Tax the properties of the rich instead. |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
108. What about John and Teresa Kerry, the Kennedys |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. Yes, they are rich aren't they? As Democrats they shouldn't object to the taxes |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
25. It was a bad idea when Libertarians brought it up, it was a bad idea when Republiks proposed it, |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
34. sales taxes are very regressive... |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. DING DING DING |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #36 |
80. And who appointed you the DING, DING, DING person? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. I am a self-appointed DING person, thanks for asking. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Lol. Good for you... someone in the crowd always has to appoint themselves the genius. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. Why misrepresent facts? |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #92 |
98. Waste your time? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 12:20 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Don't call me "stupid" |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #86 |
95. That's ridiculous |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Duh. Did anything I said inspire you to think I was on the side... |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:00 AM Response to Reply #96 |
101. What are you arguing? |
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gmoney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
47. Just collecting "use tax" would do a lot... |
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lexanman (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
48. How about |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
53. That is regressive and would be devastating to to those of us who have enough problems making ends |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
58. Sales taxes disproportionately affect the poor - |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
59. Regressive tax with heavier burden on the lowest income |
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The Gunslinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
60. It will never happen.. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
62. How about not establishing regressive taxation as a normal policy move? |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
66. why not tax something more of a luxury? like a 5% tax on all cellphones... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
68. i have a better idea. how about a 5% increase on the top 5% of the income distribution |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
70. Sales taxes are regressive. Not a good idea. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
73. i have to agree w bobolink this time, this is a shitty idea |
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Chisox08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
81. I hate to say it but this is a bad idea. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
89. The Walton family has as much net worth as the bottom 40% (120 million people) |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:11 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. And In That Situation, Sir, Sooner Or Later, Democracy Simply Is Not Possible.... |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #89 |
103. Has anyone thought of just asking them politely? |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
93. top tax rates in different countries |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
105. I understand its Regressive - but we could easily rebate the tax to the poor |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. No. |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #105 |
112. A LOT easier and more targeted would be to restore the pre-Reagan top marginal tax rates of 70%+ |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
107. May as well just call it a day and implement the "FAIR" TAX! |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
109. How about tax the crap that US companies export |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. We used to have import taxes so that our home based manufacturing could |
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