If there's no public option, I am no longer interested. I am no longer

[monmouth]

interested in the weak democrats either. If I get sick, I die...that's it in a nutshell. I'm so angry and disgusted at this point I don't even want to read or hear the news. Sorry for the rant but this is just so unacceptable...

[wtbymark]

1. if there's no public option

we have to saturate the WH with emails and phone calls and push for a VETO!!!!!!!!!

[truedelphi]

32. Hmm this reminds me of something.

Oh that's right. Back when the Powers that Be knew their precious little war in Iraq would take place, as orders coming down to the WH from from Halliburton insisted it be so.

SO we marched and we emailed and we called, and we got to watch the war begin anyway.

Now orders are coming down from Aetna, And Kaiser. And Blue Cross and Blue Shield.

And we are told to march and to email and to wish and to scatter pixie dust.

Well I am too sick of it to care.

You can have your parade, but the Figurehead (supposedly "in charge") has made it clear whose orders he follows. And he sure ain't following mine.

[bobbolink]

41. Pixie dust! THAT's what I forgot! Damn....no wonder I've been failing.

Parade? There's a parade?

Pah...it'll rain....

This whole mess should fire a revolt to get big money out of govmint, but it won't. There is always American Idol.

We lose.

edited to say: This is exactly how I've felt about poverty for years now.

Maybe now the rest of "progressives" will begin to understand what some of us have gotten for a long time now.

[truedelphi]

46. Thought about you the other day

After listening to a friend grumble about the twenty bucks co-pay she has to pay for her meds, I mentioned a long standing physical ailment that is driving me batty.

And she went all New Age-y on me - I wouldn't have the pain if I thought positive thoughts, and if I thought the postivie thoughts often enough and correctly enough, then the whole world would be healed etc.

I thought, If only someone would take my side of this. (Also kept biting my tongue so I didn't blurt out "But you allow yourself to grumble about some teensy tiny co-pay!"

But you weren't there, so you couldn't!

[bobbolink]

47. What, you don't think you have that much power????? ^_^ I had that yesterday,

in the library, concerning a COPY MACHINE! I replied that I don't have that much power.

What gets me is so many of these people who spout this stuff rail against RELIGION, yet they are believing in this kind of garbage, and proselytizing it on others! I'm reminded of a quote about not criticizing a splinter in someone else's eye when you have a log in your own eye. )

We all have our own limitations, and you will handle situations as you see fit, but I think it would have been GREAT if you had come back to her teeensy co-pay gripe! It's all about her, and she needs to be confronted with that.

What I'm getting now, from DUers and other "progressives", is that I haven't done enough, and I'm just "crying victim". THAT is the level of compassion among people who consider themselves ever so "aware".

I've said it before and I'll say it again... the most CRITICAL PEOPLE I've come across are those who consider themselves "positive".

For them, judgement of others is "positive". :crazy:

[truedelphi]

49. Wait a minute bobbolink

I was wrong.

I went to bed last night thinking postiive thoughts, and if you just take the time to look around, IT IS ALL BETTER NOW!

Geithner and Bernanke have been dismissed, Karen Ignanani has been put in jail (She is the chief Corporate Lobbyist for the Health Care "Providers," though I am probably not spelling her name right) Baucus has resigned to spend time with his family, and Obama has just apologized for having Rahm as his Chief of Staff and is choosing a real progressive for that role by this evening! Both parties have agreed to stringent campaign finance reform, and the IRS tax code will be reflecting a much more just view of who should pay.

And anyone involved with Monsanto is being told to leave the country!

Now it may take a lot of your time and energy to help this along, but we are almost there!
JUST THINK POSITIVE!

On edit: Ooops, apparently my new sleep meds caused me to type while dreaming. Sorry for this post!

[bobbolink]

52. Yup, the Iraqis thought positive thoughts, and it kept us from invading.

What could be cheaper?

[Laelth]

33. I'm pushing for a veto even if there is a "public insurance" option.

It will do nothing but enrich the insurance companies. A mandate to buy insurance is insane, and it will hurt the Democratic Party, driving voters away in droves.

Forcing people to buy insurance is no more the solution to a failed health care system than forcing people to buy houses is the solution to homelessness.

:dem:

-Laelth

[truedelphi]

50. I'm with you in the opposition. A bad solution

That pretends to be a good solution is just as bad as a bad solution that doesn't pretend.

Don't these jerks in our government think we can see what ugliness lies beneath the lipstick?

[dorkulon]

2. It's all so sad and predictable.

I'll be totally shocked if anything useful comes out of this. I'm certain I'll be paying out of pocket for health care next year and the year after, just as before.

[Warpy]

3. Sticking bandaids on a massively failed system

is just not going to work no matter how rich the gravy train will be for men like Baucus. Insurance outfits will still figure out how to delay and deny care, killing us in the process. while raking in princely monthly premiums that allow their management to live like potentates.

If the Democrats fail us again, they can expect 2010 to look like a repeat of 1994, when they failed us the last time.

[wolfgangmo]

40. Let's clear up one mistake you made.

The US has NO HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. We have a dysfunctional hodgepodge of shite. But a system of care does not exist.

[Warpy]

45. A system to provide care does exist

but the system to fund it is a predatory one that systematically cheats people out of what they've paid into it.

Care providers and patients are equally screwed. Only the middlemen are prospering.

[Robbien]

4. Hell I'm a drop out since single payer morphed into 'public option'

so here you sit with the rest of us, a majority, who are not happy with the way things are going.

A fight for a public option? A public option, a very much watered down version of single payor, and that's what they are fighting about and considering dropping?


Pffft!

[SleeplessInAlabama]

6. Totally agree. They're compromising on the compromise! GTFO. n/t

[DesertFlower]

5. i feel the same way.

[Faryn Balyncd]

7. If there is no public option, the Republicans have won. We need to defeat any bill without a public

option available to every American.

[silverweb]

8. Tell President Obama. I just did.

Flood the White House post office, email, and switchboard. Tell him that any legislation without a strong public option at the very least is completely unacceptable.

Tell him to veto any lesser bill, and to stand strong for what the vast majority of the American people want and need.

[monmouth]

10. I'm going to wait an hour or so, too angry right now. Good idea though...n/t

[dana_b]

9. or end up fined because you refused

to purchase insurance.

Don't say you're sorry. They shouldn't be sorry but unfortunately a good part of them just don't give a damn.

Edit* I meant to say you shouldN"T be sorry! Sorry!!

[monmouth]

11. That's just it, if I could afford to purchase insurance I would have done

that already. Fine me????? Good luck on getting that little payment...HA! Who am I kidding, they'll deduct it from my SS check..sigh.

[Thickasabrick]

15. If you get a SS check, don't you have medicare also?

[monmouth]

18. Medicare is pretty much worthless without the supplemental insurance

you need to buy. Thank god so far I've not needed it but you know, tomorrow we know not what...

[Thickasabrick]

20. Crap, really? I didn't know you needed insurance if you had medicare.

I guess I'll need to just keep working.

[monmouth]

22. I live in senior housing..Some of the nightmare stories I've witnessed.

Major surgery, you're home in 2 days. Everybody from the first-aid to the hospital will then hit you with bills that medicare wouldn't cover. "Sorry, but if you had supplemental insurance, you could have stayed for three days instead."...It's crap...

[dana_b]

28. so Medicare is NOT some kind of "universal health" plan for seniors

it's still damn insurance. sigh.

[Thickasabrick]

31. Thank you for informing me on this. I didn't know Medicare was

that bad. This is really going to help me in planning for when I ever do retire. I'm so glad you haven't needed supplemental insurance so far - keep doing what you are doing!! Thanks again.

[monmouth]

35. It's an eye opener isn't it? Supplemental, and I mean the barest of

benefits runs around $80 or so a month, depending on a few things. For people living on SS alone, without any savings to fall back on, they make food decisions (or lack of it) in order to pay for the crappy supplemental. Before you retire, as my kids would say, stack the money. My kids give me money for birthdays and Christmas. This is my SS increase for the year. We will not receive an increase in SS for two years....

[dana_b]

26. I know! blood out of a turnip, as is often said

btw... I meant to say you should NOT be sorry. Don't apologize for ranting. I've ranted a lot lately.

[Robbien]

12. Imagine being a criminal because you don't give money to the insurance industry

A criminal who can be arrested.

It is bad enough to have to give money to the insurance industry in order to legally drive a car, but have to give money to insurance companies in order to legally be alive?

This royally sucks.

[Fumesucker]

13. "I can envision a day when you will have to show proof of insurance at the job interview".

-Hilary Clinton, during the 2008 primaries..

Anyone who expected Congress to do anything other than kowtow to the insurance lobby is terminally naive.

[tabatha]

14. Where did you hear that?

Obama said he won't sign a bill without it.

[Thickasabrick]

16. I really don't think there is going to be a bill to sign. nt

[spanone]

19. here

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32174687/ns/politics-capitol_hill/

[bvar22]

21. There is a growing divergence between what he says....

...and what he does.

[tabatha]

42. Has he signed it yet?

[bvar22]

17. 72% of all Americans are going to be very pissed.

If the House's WEAK Public Option in Name Only passes,
the same 72% will still be very, very PISSED when they discover the "Public" Option isn't really "Public".

If they (Democratic Congress) try to get away with this, there WILL be HELL tp pay.

In my 40 years of Political Activism there has NEVER been an issue so Black vs White.
They (The Democrats) won't be able to spin their way out of this.

I will leave and take as many with me as I can.

[monmouth]

27. You betcha!...n/t

[Third Doctor]

23. I tried to believe

just maybe something could be done but I was wrong. If I suffer a serious injury or get sick I'm either dead or ruined financially. This was done by people with the best healthcare money can buy, insurance the american voters pay for. Obama needs to keep his word and veto this. I expected this from the Repubs but this has proven to me again that both parties are essentially cut from the same cloth. These bluecross Dems should just go over to the repubs, as far as I can see they are just taking up space on the left side of the aisle. First sigle payer gave way to public option and not that's off the table too? Sixty votes my ass.. I'm more than a bit disgusted right now.

[Uzybone]

24. this bill will not make it to the floor

[SeeHopeWin]

30. Agreed.

[HughMoran]

44. I didn't even know it made it past "rumor" stage

I think it was a balloon they floated before the new cycle - a lead balloon.

[UrbScotty]

25. President Palin thanks you (nt)

[SeeHopeWin]

29. I agree with you 100%, but these six Senators will not have their way.

Reconciliation baby! President Obama's wish comes true :)



And Senator Kennedy, cancer and all, will kick Baucus' ass HARD!

[winyanstaz]

34. I am with you...this is total and utter bullshit

[progressivebydesign]

36. the Dems did NOT learn from the attacks on Hillary in the 90s.

these republican corporate assholes will stop at nothing to make sure the insurance industry and others continue to fuck us over.

I'm so angry right now. WHY?? I don't understand how stupid people have to be not to get that we are paying MORE by not insuring people!!

The Dems better not fuck us over on this. The proposal I saw was fucking worthless.. totally worthless without covering EVERYONE!!!! How fucking hard is this?

[tekisui]

37. The Democrats will lose seats in the House, maybe the Senate.

And, they deserve it.

[MasonJar]

38. No public option is not reform so Baucus can stuff it. That is not compromise.

Whatever happens he should not be re-elected. He is owned by the corps; no GOPer could be worse than he.

[LaydeeBug]

39. Truer words. It makes me sick.

Right now, I just feel like you can KEEP the change if it ain't gonna make a difference.

[WCGreen]

43. I feel you pain, brother...

But thank GOD I am disabled and get medicare..

[Echo In Light]

48. Profit$ Over People

[Ganja Ninja]

51. Since the Democrats are so worried about being bipartisan ...

maybe the next time I step into the voting booth I'll be bipartisan and vote for a real liberal/progressive.

[glinda]

54. "bipartisan" is just a big fat lie being shoved down our throats.

[glinda]

53. I feel the same way. I have had it.