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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 02:11 PM Original message |
Racial Domination/Subjugation |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. Deleted message |
jaysunb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 02:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I will join you....K&R |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
3. Exactly, it's so pervasive in white culture that we often CAN'T see why it's offensive. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 05:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
89. What you've said here |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
4. That has implications I don't think you'd accept |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. It's an extreme form of semantics. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
5. While I agree with points 2 and 3, I don't agree in any way with #1 |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
7. Basically if you are white and you don't hate yourself you haven't been paying attention |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Self-Hate |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I do see it and I do hate myself |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Bryant, Bryant, Bryant... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
8. I think women would understand that |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Treestar |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
9. Read bell hooks |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Yes, indeed. Every woman should read her. nt |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Yes! |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. She's often quite funny, too. A great boss I had turned me on to her. Love her. nt |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. 2 questions from another "out there" woman |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. The Answers |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. See how easy that was? |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. I finally got a yes and yes on the other thread! |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
50. Depends on how you define "group" |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:24 PM Response to Reply #50 |
65. These days, it would behoove us all |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #50 |
84. I'm talking about the BIG PICTURE |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
64. Does the Jackson Five count? |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Michael was SUCH a cute kid!!! |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. He was told plastic surgery was as easy as 123. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 02:37 PM Response to Reply #71 |
82. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! |
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happydreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-10-07 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
20. What a crock of shit! |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:14 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. No. That was an isolated incident, not a WHOLE FUCKING SYSTEM |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. So racism is OK so long as it's isolated? |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
62. It's certainly not okay, but it's not racism -- it's bigotry |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Semantic wordplay. |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #68 |
90. Yeah, but I'd not characterize it that way exactly |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 07:53 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. So it's racial bigotry, yes? |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #93 |
102. Let me just share this with you |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 10:20 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Like I said... semantic wordplay. |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-12-07 08:23 PM Response to Reply #103 |
114. Because it is of enormous value TO that society for it to be |
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happydreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-12-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
111. YOU said "whole" system. Bell said "a system". See my reply below. |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. THAT incident did not happen in a void either. bad example |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. With all due respect |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I'll see your one and raise you 2,548 |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. With all due respect, you claimed that black-on-white racism doesn't exist. |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. It's not True Racism |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. No True Scotsman fallacy. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. We need a more precise vocabulary. |
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MAGICBULLET (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #45 |
72. I definitely can and it's simple |
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MAGICBULLET (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
67. so basically you're saying |
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Big Pappa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 09:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
97. No if those |
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happydreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-12-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
112. So am I now free to go attack those who killed the truckers? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. That didn't happen out of racism |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Wha? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. It was backlash |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. I think killing people because of the hue of their skin is racist. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. It's self-defense |
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slowry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Air-tight. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Maybe you really can't read |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Bullshit. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Advocating?? |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Do you agree with this statement? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. No |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. How is that not racist? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. More moral? |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 02:22 PM Response to Reply #70 |
80. So, they're morally equivalent? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Fact not in evidence |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. You're not answering the question that was asked |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 07:29 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. That's not the debate |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 08:02 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. How is it changing the subject? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 09:11 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. No it isn't |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Wow. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 09:37 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. I didn't justify anything |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 09:39 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Yes, yes, I suck. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 09:45 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Killing someone you dislike is racism? |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. So... theoretically |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 11:17 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. "n*****" is a racist word |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Killing someone for killing your sister isn't "on the basis of race." |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Yeah it was |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. I feel like I've gone down the rabbit hole. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-12-07 12:04 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Back at the beginning |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. *sigh* |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I like your example!... n/t |
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slowry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Super amazing example. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Excuse me? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
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slowry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Crack a book? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Your analogy isn't apt. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. heh |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Please. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #43 |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. That's rich. |
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verse18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. And I bet you have Black friends, too. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. That's right, I'd forgotten. |
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verse18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Exactly. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Let's try and use reason. |
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verse18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #63 |
76. I never called you a racist.. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Do you have suggestions on how to better discuss the issue, then? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. I don't believe you |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #61 |
73. With "friends" like that, who needs enemies? |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #61 |
77. What a surprise, more personal attacks. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. I'm not free to discern |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Wheee.. more splitting hairs in definitions. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 02:47 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. Oh, I said what *I* believe |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. If you believe I'm not telling the truth, you necessarily believe I'm lying. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. A look inside to ask if there's just maybe |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. I'm wrong |
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happydreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-12-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
113. If they killed the guy, yes I blame the women. It is a tough situation |
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happydreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-12-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
110. I was unable to get back for a couple of days. |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
22. Keep 'em comin', MadSpirit |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
107. I agree!! eom |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
41. I still don't understand, what is a white person? |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. I never even understand your questions....n/t |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
75. YES. YES. QUESTIONABLE... |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-11-07 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
74. Troublemaker |
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