Isn't uninformed progressive an oxymoron?

[ProSense]

Information

Healthreform.gov

State-by-state reports outlining health insurance reform

Debunking health care reform myths

Senate HELP Committee Releases Health Reform Bill

America's Affordable Health Choices Act

[ProSense]

1. Information bad.

:rofl:

[wininboy]

2. OK, informed one. Explain the healthcare reform bill in three simple sentences

[ProSense]

4. OK

Reform the system to ensure that more than 97% of all Americans are covered], cap premiums and offer a public option to keep the insurance companies honest and contain costs. Offer portability so that Americans who lose their jobs don't lose their coverage. Ensure that insurance companies cannot deny coverage based on a pre-existing illness and that castatrophic care doesn't bankrupt Americans.




edited to add missing words

[wininboy]

11. Major fail

1) You can't define a word using the word itself (ie "Reform the system..." as a definition for reform)

2) There is no public option. Instead, some of the currently uninsured will be able to get coverage from the govt. However, this "public" option will not be available to almost 90% of the population

3) The "public" option, such as it is, will not "keep the insurance companies honest and contain costs" because the public option will not be allowed to compete with insurance corps

[ProSense]

15. " There is no public option" Wrong

link:www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6262087&mesg_id=6262087|facts] and more facts

[wininboy]

17. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

The OP thinks a quote from Dean proves that there is a public option

I'm getting the impression that the only thing the OP knows is how to post irrelevant links

[ProSense]

19. OMG

You can read can't you? It's outlined on page 7 of the bill (PDF version) at the last link. Want me to cut and paste it for you?

[wininboy]

23. I want you to explain the health care reform bill in 3 simple sentences

You are not capable of doing that. Instead, you have to link to multi-page websites.

Again Informed One, can you explain the health care reform bill IN YOUR OWN WORDS

[ProSense]

25. "Instead, you have to link to multi-page websites." Wait,

you see links here?

[wininboy]

27. I don't see any policies there

because you don't know what they are

[Romulox]

13. That reads like a mission statement. He's asking for POLICIES not GOALS.

In particular, the "public option" is not open to the public under most current formulations...

[wininboy]

16. Even the OP can't explain it

After the OPs'self-congratulary post about information, I thought the OP would have some.

It turns out, all the OP has is misleading slogans

[ProSense]

20. "He's asking for POLICIES not GOALS." What? n/t

[wininboy]

24. You don't know the difference?

Quelle surprise!!

[Romulox]

29. Crap like: "To provide excellent service in auto body repair" is a MISSION STATEMENT

A "policy" is the nuts and bolts of how that generalized principle will be accomplished. In your response, you say things like "(r)eform the system to ensure that more than 97% of all Americans are covered,". This is a goal, not a policy.

Furthermore, when you say "offer a public option to keep the insurance companies honest and contain costs," you come across as either a) ignorant of the fact that most Americans will not be eligible for any putative "public option"; or b) dishonest. The link you provide downthread has Howard Dean admitting this:

Q: Do you think everyone should be allowed to participate in the public plan?

Howard Dean: Initially, absolutely not. You can't transition this too fast. You've gotta be careful. If you dump the entire private sector into the public option immediately, I think you'd have chaos, and that's not what we want.

So, again, saying having a "public option" is part of the plan is a great statement of general principles. But for a person passively aggressively calling those who disagree with you "uninformed", you really don't seem to have followed a lot of the details of the debate. :hi:

[wininboy]

31. IMO, you're going to have post a link if the OP is going to read it

The OP only seems to know links, and nothing else.

If you don't have links, then you must be an "uninformed progressive"

/sarcasm

[ProSense]

34. "A "policy" is the nuts and bolts of how that generalized principle will be accomplish."

Did you notice that no such request was in the posters statement?

Do you often confuse brief summaries with "nuts and bolts"?


Also, that statement by Dean addresses the participation rate for the public option. It says nothing about it not being in the plan.

[Romulox]

36. He asked you to describe the "healthcare reform bill", not generalized healthcare goals.

That means specifics, not generalities.

[ProSense]

39. "That means specifics, not generalities." Good grief. LOL!

"Explain the healthcare reform bill in three simple sentences"

Reading comprehension is helpful.

[Romulox]

41. Your answer might be "That's not possible!". But when you endeavored to meet the request,

you agreed to answer in specifics (btw, I notice that you aren't shy about rapid fire postings of inanities, but you have 1001 excuses for why you cannot post any specifics.)

At any rate, there was a name for this behavior on another message board I used to frequent. I think we've teased out all you have to offer on this subject, and I'm not interested in dancing with you any longer. :hi:

[ProSense]

42. "you agreed to answer in specifics" Really?

Do you often make up reality?

[wininboy]

45. So you can't describe the specifics using your own words

Thanks for finally admitting it

[wininboy]

44. "rapid fire postings of inanities, but you have 1001 excuses for why you cannot post any specifics."

You nailed it. This one has nothing coherent to offer. Nothing but inanities

[wininboy]

37. You've got nothing

The fact that you can't answer the question when asked shows how weak your knowledge is. Your response that it wasn't what was originally asked for is a dodge which proves you can't answer the question.

[wininboy]

5. I guess that even the OP can't meet my challenge

So much for "informed" OPs

[ProSense]

7. Uh,

so much for knee jerk.

[Name removed]

12. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[blm]

9. Looks like your knees have a quick jerk problem.

.

[wininboy]

14. Speaking of knee jerks

don't you have something about Clinton to rant about?

[ProSense]

22. "don't you have something about Clinton to rant about?" You joined five day's ago?

Welcome back.

[wininboy]

28. see

http://www.democraticunderground.com/searchresults.html?q=blm&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&domains=democraticunderground.com&client=pub-7805397860504090&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23008000%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A663399%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A336699%3BALC%3A0000FF%3BLC%3A0000FF%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A0000FF%3BGIMP%3A0000FF%3BFORID%3A11&hl=en

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1545626&mesg_id=1547232

[ProSense]

30. OMG.

:rofl:

[wininboy]

32. What's the matter? No links to post?

I'm still waiting to hear you explain the health care reform bill in three somple sentences, using your own words (and not little wingnut symbols)

[ProSense]

35. "I'm still waiting to hear you explain...using your own words (and not little wingnut symbols)"

(click me)

[wininboy]

38. You can't answe the question

so you'll hide behind the "that's not what you originally asked" dodge

Doesn't matter when it was asked. I'm asking now.

Too bad you don't have any answer

[blm]

43. He's not part of this topic at this point. You didn't show up on Sibel Edmonds' thread, didya?

No, Clinton defenders don't DARE show up on threads where BCCI matters pop up, do ya?

[wininboy]

46. Now there's the knee-jerking I was expecting

You see blm? It's not that hard

[blm]

47. You didn't go to the Sibel Edmonds thread did you? You don't DARE - it's FAR TOO REAL for you

and the consequences have been far too real for this nation.

But....NONE of you care....and....NONE of you dare show up to make your lameass excuses for the deepsixing of BCCI matters on those threads.

[Iggo]

3. Progressives are uninformed by definition?

That's a new one.

[Jim__]

10. An oxymoron is modifying a term by a seemingly contradictory term - e.g. jumbo shrimp.

[Iggo]

48. Oops. That makes me a maxi-moron...

...for mistaking oxymoronic for redundant.

Reminder to Iggo: Drink coffee, THEN post.

My apologies...

[stray cat]

6. Lack of insight is common to all subgroups

[Davis_X_Machina]

8. It ought to be...

...but there are enough of them to shingle a barn. Otherwise one would not have to explain, repeatedly, that Obama can't replace Harry Reid as majority leader, that opposing health care reform isn't 'treason', that the teabaggers and birthers are idiots, but not practicing sedition, that all European countries don't have single-payer, etc. etc.

A lot of people's enthusiasms get the better of them.

[BolivarianHero]

18. Not necessarily...

It's possible to not be overly politically aware or informed of the issues and still have left-of-centre views, especially in light of what qualifies as left of centre in America. Tons of people like this here in Canada.

[ProSense]

21. Being informed doesn't have anything to do with one's views.

The extent to which someone is informed is determined by experience, curiosity and interest.

[wininboy]

33. Yes, you've made that clear

Now, can you, in your own words, explain the health care reform bill in three simple sentences?

[Union Yes]

26. Kill anyone smarter.

:silly: :crazy: :dunce: :crazy: :silly:

[Hannah Bell]

40. no.