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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 02:01 AM Original message |
Bullshit Science |
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stuball111 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
1. Don't get too wound up... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 02:09 AM Response to Original message |
2. You'll need to repost this about every 3 days... |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 02:14 AM Response to Original message |
3. Here at DU though, anthing that supports pot use is instantly applauded and approved |
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obliviously (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 02:19 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Pot public enemy number one |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 02:23 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Off Topic Much? Just had to get your digs in, eh? Still have your "War on Drugs" decoder ring? |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 02:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. they had decoder rings? (k&r btw) n/t |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:16 AM Response to Reply #3 |
23. Who knew Nancy Reagan was a DUer? |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
50. Right, who knew that my 17 year old daughter has schizophrenia triggered by pot use? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. "Widely recognized"? Links to these many studies? |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Yes, I can provide links, but they will each and every one be dismissed here. |
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GillesDeleuze (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #59 |
81. these are just anecdotes and links to anti-drug studies nt |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Sorry to burst your little world, but there have been actual studies for years |
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GillesDeleuze (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #84 |
101. BULLSHIT |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #50 |
65. So we should ban all substances that pose any risk to less than 1% of the population? n/t |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Please point out to me where I ever said "ban"? You can't, can you? n/t |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. In that case what is your point? |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. 2.4 million American adults have schizophrenia. Is that an infinitesimal portion of the population? |
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FarrenH (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. elocs, do you support prohibition |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. Please point out to me in any of my posts where I say anything about a ban |
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FarrenH (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. I asked a question, and it wasn't rhetorical |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 02:05 AM Response to Reply #75 |
96. Yes, .08% of the population is an is insignificant percentage. That does not mean that those 2.4 |
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GillesDeleuze (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #50 |
80. you are simply wrong |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. Sorry, I'm not wrong simply because you say I am. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 04:15 AM Response to Reply #85 |
98. Yep. |
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GillesDeleuze (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 10:48 AM Response to Reply #85 |
100. care to show in your "research" |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:38 AM Response to Reply #3 |
25. That's bullshit and you know it. I am very much pro-pot and................. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #3 |
31. It's not just Pot... |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #3 |
38. pretty much |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #3 |
45. Here at DU, anything that supports the LEGAL CHOICE TO USE POT is instantly |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. I would bet peanuts have killed more people than pot., but you don't |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #53 |
68. There has never been a single case of pot killing someone, ever! |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. That's what I thought, but peanuts have killed people. n/t |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. I was agreeing with you. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
52. Nice post, Bill Bennett. |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 02:35 AM Response to Original message |
7. K&R |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
8. One must remember that we've been innundated with such 'scientific' nonsense for decades |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #8 |
27. How about the "scientific research" in the 70's about it causing "man tits"?? |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
9. same with studies on second hand smoke |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 02:39 AM Response to Original message |
10. Thank you for posting this. |
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ImOnlySleeping (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
77. Here's the way to disprove the causation. |
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daedalus_dude (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 02:49 AM Response to Original message |
11. Good. Only that pot DOES trigger schizophrenia. |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 05:08 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. You've seen it happen a few times? |
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daedalus_dude (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 06:43 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Let's just say I know quite many pot-heads. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 06:51 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. "...lead to hallucinations and schizophrenia". It's called getting super stoned. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 06:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I really suggest you read the OP again. |
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daedalus_dude (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:06 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Let's assume a person smokes pot. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:09 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Until you can link to large scale scientific studies, I'll go by my own anecdotal evidence. |
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daedalus_dude (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Well, let's assume the probability of a heavy pot smoker to go schizo lies at 10 percent. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. When I said dozens, I literally means DOZENS. |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #33 |
46. Hey "dude", why don't you and your "assuming" go back to worldnut daily. |
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FarrenH (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
103. The only link |
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GillesDeleuze (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #22 |
40. considering most evidence suggests |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #40 |
60. You'll get no arguments from me. NT |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
78. thanks |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:42 AM Response to Reply #11 |
26. So... |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:46 AM Response to Reply #11 |
28. Yeah, okay, "dude". Ha, ha, ha, ha............................ |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:48 AM Response to Reply #11 |
41. BUT, did you REALLY, REALLY see it happen, or maybe just thought you did???? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
56. LOL...I bet you have. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
63. Oh well then, that clears it all up. The dude says it is so. |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
74. Seen it happen a few times? I call bullshit. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
90. sure you have |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 02:51 AM Response to Original message |
12. Mercy Mercy..its in the BIBLE even...POT is Cool with GOD.... |
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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 03:32 AM Response to Original message |
13. By your reasoning, the hypothesis can not be ethically tested by the only "good" means |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
34. Everyone should read this post. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
57. Seconded. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
67. Thanks for a sane reply n/t |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
79. I recommend this post. |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 04:37 AM Response to Original message |
14. Problems arise when "science" is used for a sales tool. I remember |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 05:25 AM Response to Original message |
16. you don't want to get between nicotine addicts and THEIR smokes ... |
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moriah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 05:32 AM Response to Original message |
17. Remember.... there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. n/t |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 05:47 AM Response to Original message |
18. 100% of people with cancer... |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:28 AM Response to Original message |
24. As a scientist can I say alot of people here lack objectivity |
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GillesDeleuze (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #24 |
44. its even worse on Alternet and Huffpo |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
55. Great post. People seem to like science only when they agree with it. |
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dropkickpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 02:08 AM Response to Reply #24 |
97. Would rec this reply if I could |
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LuckyLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
30. As I replied in an earlier post about this, This shit is what happens when folks don't know |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
32. ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
35. Excellent - K&R |
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
37. So many great pieces by you |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
39. You get it. Well done. |
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Analyticalist (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
42. Post hoc ergo proptor hoc |
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LeftHander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
43. I got so loaded one time I swore I was two people....nt |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
47. Assoication is the best that can be done sometimes -beats ignorant opinions |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
48. Its not always bad to make an inference based on a statistical correlation. |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
49. And yet, do not discount the placebo effect |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
51. Kicked and recommended. |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
58. A little pit nick |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
61. Good article |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
62. Look, I love science |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
64. good post and an opportunity to flame |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
69. If your goal is to reduce the cases of schizophrenia (as oppossed to trashing pot) |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
73. Actually there might be a link... that said, before you get your knickers in a bunch |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #73 |
88. don't tell that to my current ahole congressman, and the most likely candidate to replace |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
82. Um, what study? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
86. There are anti-science morons on both the Left and the Right. |
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Matt 6_5 (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. Not to mention detonated buildings, chemtrails, etc. More Woo than |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. The ignorance is astounding. |
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Matt 6_5 (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. It's a pretty sure bet none of them have ever been a blacksmith. |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
89. Science reporting is generally terrible. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. HuffPo has Deepak Chopra as a columnist. THAT should tell you something. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
95. That was not a science article, that was a Canadian commenting on the science. |
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gtar100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
99. This is a great read on use of statistics. Makes information gathering |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
102. "My friends, Today we are all schizophrenics"......n/t |
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mentalslavery (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
104. Spurious association-connector is age |
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