Enough. Conyers et al need to send the US Marshals to impound the RNC SERVERS ...

[understandinglife]

... hardware, archive disks, laptops, blackberry's, etc. They need to get the systems, not printouts or CDs or whatever ...

I hope the IT folk advising them realize that that is what they need and unless Rover and his scumbuddies at the RNC have had some really skillful folk cleansing all that hardware it will not be difficult to view every bit those chubby little fingers have typed.


IT IS TRIBUNAL TIME IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

[kestrel91316]

1. K&R

[Bitwit1234]

2. They have to be why do you think they are stalling.

[understandinglife]

3. I have NO doubts why they are stalling ....

[file83]

35. Send the RNC IT folks to Guantanamo for interrogations...

...we must....get...the truth!

[understandinglife]

4. Relevant comment from another thread ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=639445&mesg_id=639622

[LSK]

5. Agreed, they need all the computers and they need them now

[Cyrano]

6. The Marshall's Service is under the DofJ. The congress doesn't have

the authority to send them anywhere -- unfortunately.

[understandinglife]

7. Then they should pass a law giving them the authority or send the Capitol Hill Police ...

.... this isn't a joke and the Congress must impound all electronic devices used by RNC and White House personnel who used RNC mail and file server systems. It is a National Security Issue and a Constitutional Crisis Issue of the first order.

[Time for change]

19. Yes, I agree that they should do all they can to get it

But of course if they pass such a law it will be vetoed, and I don't know that they have the votes to over-ride it.

I think that they ought to demand access to the computers, and if it's refused, that should be clear grounds for impeachment. Bush is not King, he's just a pResident. Our Constitution gives oversight responsibilty to Congress, and if the pResident puts himself above the Constitution then Congress has the authority to impeach him and remove him from office. I don't know what the hell they're waiting for. I just hope that all this lack of movement on impeachment means that they're waiting for the right moment. But I'm beginning to lose hope that that's the case.

[understandinglife]

24. Never lose hope, my friend. I refuse to see Bush & Cheney ...

... surviving until 2009. I only see President Nancy Pelosi before the beginning of 2008!

Impeach Bush, Cheney, Gonzales and Rice is the only mantra I alow myself to consider.

:hi:


Peace.

[The Count]

40. Leno asked Pelosi if she was seeking higher office last night...

[hootinholler]

28. I disagree.

The Congress only need issue the subpoena, the Marshals are bound to execute it.

-Hoot

[understandinglife]

33. thanks, Hoot!

:hi:

Bob

[tridim]

42. And if they don't, arrest the Marshals.

Obviously there's something majorly wrong with the system if the Executive branch is untouchable.

[Canuckistanian]

41. Who was it that raided William Jefferson's office?

Was that a Justice Dept. operation?

On edit:
I see that it was the FBI, so that must mean the DoJ.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/22/AR2006052201080.html

[C_U_L8R]

8. I smell Special Prosecutor !

Laws have been broken, obstructions made - and this sure
looks like conspiracy. People need to start being hauled before a Grand Jury.

[understandinglife]

9. At a minimum ....

[DemReadingDU]

13. It wouldn't surprise me if those laptops & computers

were thrown in the Potomac River

[understandinglife]

21. Agree. Nice thing about electronic devices is that all we need to do ....

.... is send some divers to recover them and spin those disk drives :)

:hi:


Peace.

[spanone]

10. Criminals. Criminals. Criminals. Criminals. Criminals. Criminals. Criminals. Criminals.

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[understandinglife]

11. Traitors, comes to mind, as well ....

:thumbsup:

[Hepburn]

12. Dammit ~~ YES!!!

It is about time that the gloves came TOTALLY off. Go and get the damn servers and let the freaking chips fall where the hell they may.

Hello??? Elections have consequences ~~ let us not forget that! They want to play games? We play back harder, faster and quicker!

[burythehatchet]

14. with all due respect, it's public execution time

[kestrel91316]

39. Wheeee, guillotines!!!!!! I want a front row seat!

[Pavulon]

15. I wonder if they use

decru to secure backup? Push the red button and all the backups are gone, the keys are destroyed. The proper way make data die..

I would bet both parties have a sophisticated method of dealing with this situation.

[kster]

16. Time to get these guys on the phone...

Offices and Functions Under the Jurisdiction of the Sergeant at Arms

Chief Law Enforcement Officer

As the Senate’s chief law enforcement officer, the Sergeant at Arms can compel Senators to come to the Senate Chamber to establish a quorum. In addition, the Sergeant at Arms supervises the Senate wing of the Capitol, maintaining security in the Capitol and in all the Senate buildings and controlling access to the Senate Chamber and galleries. The Sergeant at Arms also protects the members and can arrest and detain any person violating Senate rules. On the orders of the Senate, the Sergeant at Arms can even arrest the President of the United States.


http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/sergeant_at_arms.htm

[Patsy Stone]

17. Damn

I already recommended this thread.

We need to do something, that's for sure. Whoever it is with the proper authority and a subpoena, let 'em have at it.

[understandinglife]

20. Yes, my friend, they need to impound every one of the hardware devices ...

... used for communications among these traitors. Forget asking for copies of stuff.

:hi:


Peace.

[bbgrunt]

18. I totally agree!

[bonito]

22. That is where the show down has to be n/t

[EFerrari]

23. K&R

[redacted]

25. ABSOLUTELY AGREE. . .GET THE HARD DRIVES ASAP DAMMIT

and ideally, every storage device all along the infrastructure including the ISP's postmaster server and backup tapes in Tennessee, the Blackberry.Net servers and backup tapes, and actual PC hard drives and any routers with backup in D.C.

I do not know what the appropriate procedure is under the circumstances, but immediately obtaining these storage devices, through raids if necessary, seems to me to be absolutely necessary to prevent further obstruction through destruction of physical evidence. Congress needs to move WITHOUT ANY DELAY whatsoever.

[understandinglife]

26. "and ideally, every storage device all along the infrastructure including the ISP's postmaster ..."

EXACTLY.

You definitely GET IT.

Let us hope someone on Conyers or one of the other House or Senate Dem staffs GETS IT (and did so, weeks ago), as well.

Thank you,
Bob


Peace.

[redacted]

27. .

[colbertforpresident]

29. Gonzalez would have to agree

no chance

[understandinglife]

32. See # 28 ....

oh, and welcome to DU ....

[MiniMe]

30. Get the backup tapes too!

[understandinglife]

31. Yep ... everything ....

[mod mom]

34. ABSOLUTELY! Impound the Servers!

[WA98296]

36. Agreed.

[understandinglife]

37. Rove Purgerer & Perjurer: E-Mails Never Really Disappear Part II

Rove Purgerer & Perjurer: E-Mails Never Really Disappear Part II

by Jesselyn Radack
Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:30:51 AM PDT

The comments to . So now the RNC is telling Congress that it is missing at least four years' worth of e-mail from Karl Rove. As Santurday Night Live's Church Lady would say, "How convenient. . . ."

Republican officials (courtesy of RNC lawyer Rob Kelner) said they still hope to "find" the e-mail as they conduct forensic work on their computer equipment. Here's what needs to happen immediately:

FIRST, Republican officials should be ordered to immediately cease and desist from conducting further computer forensics on their computers. They've already acknowledged that they had to take actions specifically to prevent Rove, and Rove alone, from deleting his e-mails from the RNC server.

SECOND, get a warrant to seize Rove's computer. There's abundant probable cause that he was deliberately obstructing justice. It's a tacit admission that the RNC undertook its own Karl Purge Prevention Plan in 2005.

THIRD, .... http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/13/5230/97075

Excellent diaries by former Justice Department Attorney, Jesselyn Radack.


IT IS TRIBUNAL TIME IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

[orleans]

38. k&r n/t

[fooj]

43. FULL AGREEMENT!

Throw the criminals in JAIL where they belong. Enough.

[Sleepless In NY]

44. K&R