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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 08:40 PM
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I've been trying to avoid this conclusion for hours, but today has basically been a huge letdown
Now, I know we won't hear from President Obama until tomorrow. I know things are far from finished. However, as of today I'm beginning to think the light at the end of the health care tunnel is that of an oncoming train. Hear me out.

I've remained fairly positive about Obama because my expectations are/were low. I always sympathized somewhat with Edwards because, despite his numerous other faults (known and unknown at the time) he was the only candidate to make poverty and related issues the centerpiece of his campaign. However, I did think that Obama was the best candidate of the leading contenders. I might have given my primary vote (I didn't have one: Colorado is a caucus state and I wasn't in-state at the time) to Dodd just because I like his voting record, but I did want Obama to win the primary. However, as I said, my expectations were low. I never thought he was all that liberal, much less a "progressive". I am only 22 years old, so I can remember basically two presidents: Clinton and George W. Bush. I am well aware that Clinton was far from optimal, with his support of NAFTA, the 1996 Telecom act and other things. However, when I think back to my childhood I can only think that everything was way better than it was during my early adolescence and youth under Bush. To say the least.

As the entire economy seemed to implode late in the election, I decided I would be happy if Obama could just make things (politically) like they were when I was a kid, when things were generally pointed in an upward direction, or at least stable. All I hoped for, really, was some stability instead of the massive train wreck that was the year 2008. So, I happily cast my first vote for President for Obama by absentee ballot. I will never forget the night Obama won the election. I felt like we all caught a piece of extraordinary magic. I watched the election in Boston and ended up jumping up and down in Kenmore Square with hundreds of strangers (mostly fellow students) shouting "yes we can!" while everybody drove by honking their horns and flashing the victory sign. I ended up watching the victory speech from Chicago in a sorority house with a bunch of people who had tears of joy running down their cheeks. It was surreal in the best possible way.

So far, I have to hand it to President Obama. He hasn't struck any major blows for progressivism, but that is okay. He has done very well stabilizing the economy and returning us to some semblance of normalcy. Well, at least I'm not waking up every morning wondering whether today is the day Great Depression II starts. I know there are huge problems with the labor market, particularly for people my age just getting out of college, but I know he can't make everything better all at once. Generally, I just wanted things to stop getting worse for eight years. Then, once we got all that out of our system, maybe we could concentrate on really making things a lot better. You know, the inspirational "leaving a better place for our children" stuff.

However, the way the health care debate has been going the past week has finally made me feel like Obama might allow things to get worse in a critical area. People we are counting on are equivocating all over the place about the importance of the public option. Various reports suggest that even if the public option from HR 3200 passes, it won't cover more than 20 million people by 2019. Then today Baucus came out with whatever it is you want to call that bill of his, offering us an "individual mandate" to purchase insurance from the very companies responsible for this mess, and threatening to fine lower and middle class families if they can't pay up, to the tune of nearly 15% of their income. I understand that this is not Obama's doing and that he's probably not happy with it. But if this constitutes the baseline for conference committee negotiations, we may seriously end up with a bill that puts the burden of "reform" on working Americans while megacorps get to skate away with bags full of new revenue, some of it from taxpayer subsidies. If I wanted that, I may as well have voted for Mitt Romney. Yes, that's right. And if everybody's intuition is right, and Obama wants to just sign something and be done with it, that means he may put his pen to something containing this toxic mix of elements.

This does not take away from the fact that the Obama administration is far, far better overall than the alternative. I'm not saying this is a deal-breaker for me. However, it will be an immense disappointment. When it came to health care, I never thought we'd get single payer from this administration. I'm not upset it's "off the table" because I could not envision the President who thrives on compromise putting something so divisive out there in the first place. I did think we might get the ability to join Medicare either for no direct cost, or by paying what would surely be relatively low premiums. Now, even under the most optimistic potential scenario, that will only be possible for just 20 million people? And under the worst case scenario, it won't be possible at all.

Like I said, it's not a deal-breaker. But if we end up with the worst of all worlds, anything resembling Baucus' plan, let's just say my enthusiasm will be severely curtailed. That is why today feels like a giant kick in the gut.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 08:41 PM
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1. "the light at the end of the health care tunnel is that of an oncoming train."
Well said. Sadly. I think you're right and I hate to say that.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 08:52 PM
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2. It is hard for me to have hope when a man runs for President and
Edited on Tue Sep-08-09 08:53 PM by truedelphi
Says again and again - "Universal Single Payer in the best solution. But since we already have another system in place, we must work with what we have." (Applying Donald Rumsfeld's illogic about protection for the troops to the health care issue - how convoluted is that?)

This is so confounding that I swear that when my blood pressure was recorded at its usual low last week, I thought of asking the nurse for a re-test!




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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 08:58 PM
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3. I've always thought that Obama really did want to do what
was best for the American people...but in the last few days, all I've heard is that he just wants to get a bill passed.....any bill. Seems to me that it would be better to pass no bill than to pass one that forces people to buy policies from private insurance companies and fines them if they don't.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:07 PM
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5. Exactly.
I would have just said that, but I wanted to prove that I'm not just here to take a swipe at president Obama. I actually do like him and his victory meant a lot to me. I guess I wasn't conciliatory enough for everybody though, since someone seems to have unrecommended me :)
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:06 PM
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4. k and r
Edited on Tue Sep-08-09 09:09 PM by femrap
Great post...gives me 'hope' just to hear a young person of intelligence and understanding. I, too, had low expectations for Obama. I didn't fall for the 'Yes We Can' stuff cuz I'm old, jaded, and understand tons about Marketing Campaigns.

We need a Fighter...and that is NOT Obama.

To be frank, we are living in the decline of the American empire....we are becoming a fascist state where gov't and corporations walk hand in hand with corruption in their veins and dollar signs in their eyes.

I hope you're not in debt because of college. Don't ever get into debt and try NOT to work for some horrid corporation because they will eat your soul.

Take care of your health...take vitamins, get enough sleep, exercise, and look both ways. I wish I had more encouraging words for you. A job in Canada would be cool. They're not as mean up there.

Capitalism is destroying itself..there is no competition...it's all collusion.

AH...but there is always KARMA! And Karma always works. 'They' will have their comeuppance.

Oh...never lose your sense of humor! Take care.

ETA: Save money...then you will always have 'fuck you' money so you can quit your job when they treat you like shit. Or make them fire you....insult your boss....tell the truth...then you can get Unemployment...but most important, you have savings.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:20 PM
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6. Thanks for your kind words
Fortunately I am not in debt for my education, even up to the PhD level (which I am working toward now). Thankfully, a confluence of factors has made it possible for me to get my education at no personal expense. These factors are 1) I have the best parents anybody could ask for (a fact I spread far and wide), 2) I am an only child and 3) my family has been blessed with the wealth to pay for all my expenses out of pocket. Other than private jets and luxury vacations to private islands for me and my friends, I don't want for anything :)

In fact, not only do I get all my educational and associated expenses covered, I also get "free" health insurance from my parents. Well, at least I don't pay for it. So my commitment to universal health care isn't really personal for me in the sense that me or my loved ones are uninsured. I'm for it because it's the equitable, efficient way to go.

Interestingly enough I went to Canada for college. Although some of my friends offered to put me up for citizenship, and though I think it's a very nice country, I won't move there. This is my country which has allowed my family to prosper and my ancestors to have refuge from antisemitism in Europe. I like being an American and I don't plan on leaving. That's why we have to make America better.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:43 PM
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9. I believe you will make America
better.

I, too, am an only child (which I loved), but we were poor so I qualified for Grants and Fed Loans at 3% and since I was smart, I got a nice scholarship. At the time, I thought I was rich. I did a bit of 'marketing' so I had the money to go to FL for spring break each year. Life was good. And Greed was frowned upon.

What are you studying?
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:46 PM
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10. Political science
go figure. But I majored in history, which I still think is a better discipline.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 11:06 PM
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12. I have an undergrad
in Poli Sci and another in Psychology.....graduated in '75 (bad recession) so went back and got graduate degree in, believe it or not, Industrial Engineering....which enabled me an income and I got the hell out of Ohio to CA.

It was a great blend of studies. I love learning. I could be a professional student.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:23 PM
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7. I totally empathize, but I would say just wait a bit. It really isn't over or even near over yet.
The pressure cooker environment is heating up and this is a Very Big Deal.

All kinds of things can happen in that kind of environment and there are millions of people deeply invested in what is going on right now.

Just wait, don't write it off until it actually happens.

I've had the true, blue, giant kick in the gut thing happen to me politically before - we aren't there yet.

:pals:
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:27 PM
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8. Thank you for caring.
Things look better to me, we are closer to reform tan we have ever been, this is a long hard fight.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:20 PM
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11. We're not going to get the Baucus plan RMD.
Edited on Tue Sep-08-09 10:21 PM by mzmolly
I too was an Edwards supporter due to his progressive platform. But until I know what the final plan does, I'm not going to get discouraged. And, I think in the end, Obama will be an amazing, "progressive" President.

Peace :hi:
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