What would you do if *they* really start coming to get us?

[Taverner]

No - not the Underwear Gnomes - but say we start seeing RW Paramilitary groups like they have in Columbia, Honduras and Guatemala?

Friends of yours are kidnapped without the police doing anything

People are taken out of their homes and never seen again

The Police uses the paramilitaries to do the dirty work they can't

You may say "That could never happen here!"

That's what folks thought in Chile in 1973. Before Pinochet, Chile was a democracy longer than any other Latin American country. Many people said "No puede hacerlo aqui!" and it hacerlo'd there.

[no_hypocrisy]

1. I think some of us would have a second look at the Second Amendment if it came to that.

[leftynyc]

35. Already did that

during the bush administration. I was paying close attention.

[elehhhhna]

44. yep, and you're in goooood company.

[MineralMan]

2. Resist, of course.

What else? I don't see that coming, though, in the near future. If it did, though, I could put up a pretty good fight.

For now, though, the tools for that fight remain in the safe.

[timeforpeace]

31. The Obama Administration is not down with that kind of stuff.

[Taverner]

32. I'm not afraid of Obama - I am afraid of who will suceed him

And when that might happen...

The fact that Chile has been the blueprint for every bad idea the Republicans had, and when Newsmax openly talks about having a military coup - you get nervous

[Echo In Light]

47. I'm not afraid of puppets and actors, I'm afraid of who they answer to

[Sukie]

3. The thing is

70% of Americans are the "us" and only about 20-25% are the "they". "They" should be the ones that are worried. LOL

[subcomhd]

4. nothing I would post about on the internet.

[MineralMan]

5. No doubt, based on my experience.

That's exactly what you'd do. I'll take you at your word.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

18. +1

But I did stock up on a few thousand rounds when it looked like McPalin had a chance

[anigbrowl]

29. +1

[Orsino]

46. +1

Violent fantasies should be left as masturbatory fodder for wingnuts, and not aired in public.

I won't discourage anyone from planning home defense, but Agent Mike is busy enough on that other site.

[atreides1]

6. See if I can still hit my target.:D

Then I'll get to see if all of that marksmanship training the army provided me with for 13 years is still viable!

[gateley]

7. I think this is far less of a possibility now than it was under Bush -- I almost expected it then. n

[kestrel91316]

8. I'm not afraid of this sort of thing under Obama, lol. Under Bush, however,

I was a bit nervous. With my views on things I definitely qualified as an enemy of the state at the time.

[leftstreet]

9. Wouldn't we need an actual resistance movement in the US first?

What are they going to come and "get us" for?

:eyes:

[Taverner]

10. Being all soshulist and electing Keenyans and stufff

[BlooInBloo]

11. "and it hacerlo'd there." - I used to love mashing up some good Spanglish!

:rofl:

[Taverner]

12. I just to find a way to use the umlaut :)

[BlooInBloo]

15. I generally just make up a reason to talk about mathematical logic when I'm feeling umlaut-y.

[TexasObserver]

13. I've got this deal working with this Nigerian Prince, so I'll be set for life soon.

They won't need to come get us. They'll turn off our cell phones, our blackberries, and our internet, and we'll do whatever they tell us to get them turned back on.

[Louisiana1976]

14. It's secret....

[damntexdem]

16. Run for the border, Louise.

Or make a stink if that still looked viable. But I'd carry my passport on my person just in case.

[guitar man]

17. Stand my ground

I'm well armed, stocked up on ammo and very well trained in their use. I didn't pay my home off to be run out of it, and neither did my neighbors who are also armed, stocked up on ammo and well trained in their use. They would rue the day they came into my hood, I can guarantee that.

[Taverner]

19. Strength in numbers

My guess is standing with your neighbors will come in more handy than all of your guns

[guitar man]

22. yep

Ive lived there for 15 years and have come to know and trust almost all my neighbors there as good friends. A wicked crossfire is what would await anyone who would come in there and try to harm any of us :evilgrin:

[FSogol]

20. I'd tell my doctor that the meds were making me feel paranoid. n/t

[Hannah Bell]

21. I think half the folks would turn in their neighbors for thought crime, personally.

or worse, they'd make up shit to turn them in for.

[Greyhound]

23. Initially We're just going to disappear for a time. n/t

[Bgno64]

24. The problem/good thing...

...is that the people who hate liberals enough to actually do this - and there are quite a few of them - are generally older, faltering middle class types who are probably physically incapable of serving in a paramilitary. Think Bill O'Reilly in riot gear.

But I think libs fool themselves when they say it could (or WOULD) never happen. Again - these people, the Fox Nation crowd, loathe you and I enough to do it.

[no_hypocrisy]

25. They're caught in a time warp.

[haele]

26. It's not the federal government you have to worry about here -

It's the local governments in the pockets of special interests. The small-town sheriff. The local Church, err, County board of Supervisors. The DA and his or her cronies. The "elect" - the hereditary checkbox winner for state or federal representative.
These are the ones who have their power derived from the local political structure, which too often is a feudal entity in nature, either kowtowing to some local "gentry", corporate interest, or church. These entities can command their own private army of fellow-travelers and know-nothings to organize, intimidate, or "cleanse" a district; usually by dis-enfranchisement, disillusionment or outright running the competing entity(be it a business, a political/social organization, or a family) "out of town on a rail".

Disappearances have already happened in this country. Think Rosewood, Florida. Think the many small, rural towns, be they in California, New York, Montana, or the South - where people who try to organize or "do good" in their communities are harassed, convicted in kangaroo courts, forced to move, or murdered.

"It Can't Happen Here" -

Sorry folks, it's already happened here many times. Just on a small, localized scale. The actual nation-wide horror will finally hit when these small time "bosses" are sold the idea that being a big fish in the local small pond is not enough, and can band together long enough to force their short-lived "3rd Revolution/Civil War" on the United States - with, of course the help of the wealthy corporate greedheads that are looking to carve their own personal Kingdoms of Heaven on Earth out of the chaos.

Some f**ks, especially wealthy f**ks, don't want more money, they want power of life or death - they want ultimate control of their own personal environments, to create themselves in the image of their Ghod. If they live in a democracy, they can't have that. So they use their money and their hysteria, and their dedication to their "vision" to destroy democracy that was developed by intelligent, imperfect people who cared to live in a country where equality under the law and government could be for the benefit of the people at large and the minority interests could be protected.
When the United States is broken down into every piss-ant local boss's "Amurikkka", when we become the Somalia of the Western Hemisphere because the blind, pig-people who supposedly represent everyone in their communities decide instead they want to represent the largest pot of money that is waved in their direction, then "It Happened Here"

Haele

[AlienGirl]

27. Record; hide; flee; report. And help others get safe.

My plan would be to document everything, hide till it passes if the danger to myself was not immediate, get over a border as soon as it became immediate, blow whistles from abroad; and do whatever I could along the way to help others who need it get to safety.

Even though I have discovered I have a knack for getting little bits of lead to land where I want them to, I know I don't really have a lot of stamina or strength. I would not make a good Resistance fighter.

I am kind of a doom hobbyist and find some comfort in having a plan for every possible worst-case scenario.

Tucker

[dysfunctional press]

28. i'd seek political asylum in france, norway, or canada.

hopefully one of them would see it as a valid claim.

[natrat]

30. shelter me from the powder and the finger

Look out, mama, theres a white boat comin up the river
With a big red beacon, and a flag, and a man on the rail
I think youd better call john,
cause it dont look like theyre here to deliver the mail
And its less than a mile away
I hope they didnt come to stay
Its got numbers on the side and a gun
And its makin big waves.

Daddys gone, my brothers out hunting in the mountains
Big johns been drinking since the river took emmy-lou
So the powers that be left me here to do the thinkin
And I just turned twenty-two
I was wonderin what to do
And the closer they got,
The more those feelings grew.

Daddys rifle in my hand felt reassurin
He told me, red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin
But when the first shot hit the docks I saw it comin
Raised my rifle to my eye
Never stopped to wonder why.
Then I saw black,
And my face splashed in the sky.

Shelter me from the powder and the finger
Cover me with the thought that pulled the trigger
Think of me as one youd never figured
Would fade away so young
With so much left undone
Remember me to my love,
I know Ill miss her.

[lpbk2713]

33. I knew I should never have torn those tags off those pillows.

Now I'm in deep shit. The black Suburbans will be here any time now.

[cali]

34. fear mongering.

there's really no point to this kind of post.

[Taverner]

38. Nothing to be afraid of...nothing to see...no census workers killed in Clay Cty, no...not there

Jeez - being an ostrich only seems like a good idea at the time.

Trust me, that's no way to live

[cali]

39. you are fear mongering. I can only conclude that you get off on

it. it's exciting to you. being vigilant doesn't mean running around like a headless chicken. And no, census workers were not killed in KY. ONE census worker was killed and we don't know yet who did the killing or why. Even if it turns out to be rightwing nutbags, that hardly means the scenario you're panting after is imminent. It's not. We'll see much clearer signs if such a thing were directly on the horizon.

[Taverner]

41. Fine see it your way, I'll see it mine

You can still crash at my place if you turn out to be wrong, btw

[cali]

42. Aw, thanks, but somehow I have a feeling that if it does happen

you might be better off crashing with me here in the Kingdom.

[Taverner]

49. Vermont is a kingdom?

Wow - I knew they were different, but a monarchy?

[SidneyCarton]

36. Been watching V for Vendetta lately?

Sure, it can happen here, it can happen anywhere. But seriously Taverner, I begin to worry about you. It appears from your posts here that your teeth have been set on edge. Have you been threatened? Has there been an uptick of paramilitary activity in your neck of the woods?

Take a breath man, things are bad, but they're not that bad, and they might not get that bad either. Sure, if this is a worry for you, then you should make mental notes as to what ought to be done to protect you and yours, but fearing this possiblity is unhelpful, it jaundices every day in which there is no one "coming to get us" and will only lead to mental paralysis in the event that "they" do end up coming.

[Taverner]

37. Nope - "Pinochet's Last Stand"

I highly encourage every American to look at Chile. When we went unregulated Capitalist in the 90's, 80's Chile was the staging ground.

[madokie]

40. Way too much paranoia for me

There ain't gonna' be anything like this happening so why worry with it

[winyanstaz]

43. There is a paramilitary/private organization right now....

patrolling and arresting citizens in Harden Montana...in order to "fill their new prison."
see the following link here on du...

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/debbierlus/336

Blackwater was used on civilians in New Orleans...
The military (full of illegal aliens getting a green card for signing up and people let out of prison if they "serve") has been cleared to use on American streets. (to "assist")

Obama has kept the right Bush gave himself to indefinitely jail anyone he deems a threat.

We all saw the video of the protester kidnapped in Philadelphia by unknown men wearing camouflage.

What do you mean "If"? or "when"???

[Taverner]

50. Very good point

[Echo In Light]

45. Hmm, why has the NSA been illegally SPYING on everyone?

A more overt implementation of the police state infrastructure wouldn't occur until the chaotic aftermath of a massive False Flag could provide sufficient cover (mass communication breakdown) to distort, as best as they can for a while, what's actually happening. I suspect America is too big to see this suddenly happen on a mass scale - which is why much of it has occurred incrementally - but definitely within certain sectors in the social breakdown of, say, a nuclear, bio or chemical attack that impacts a large area.

[WildEyedLiberal]

48. I've thought very seriously about getting a gun recently

Bush made me MORE Pro-2A than I'd ever been, because fascist goons like that are exactly WHY the Second Amendment was written in the first place. But it's these rightwing militia types that really freak me out.

[flvegan]

51. Same thing I'd do in any other zombie invasion.

Each one is about as likely to happen, though.

[ecstatic]

52. I'd start speaking Palinese

You betcha! I'd come to the door wrapped in teabags with Glen Beck blasting in the background.

[endarkenment]

53. cash out pack bags take family go to yurp apply for refuge status

The people who wised up early and got the fuck out of Germany before it was too late were the ones who survived.

I have family in the socialist hell-hole of yurp. I am lucky that way.

[chrisa]

54. I would alert the caped crusader.

Teabaggers are a bunch of fools who couldn't capture a Burger King.