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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 09:55 PM Original message |
The mysterious police organization in Montana is not likely Blackwater -- it's more likely a scam |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
1. I think its Cheney's FEMA Camp, Montana is close to Wyoming... |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I think the folks in Hardin got sucker punched with the building of the white elephant prison |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Well, Fuck Hardin and the whole Prison Industrial Complex. They built |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Easy to say, from far away. I don't condone their foolishness at all. |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Sorry for the bluntness, but that is the way I feel. I am tired of corporate |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. My sad conclusion is that some builders sold the folks in Hardin a bill of goods |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. They might not plan to get money out of Hardin itself, but rather |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 11:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. interesting theory |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 12:55 AM Response to Reply #6 |
28. what's the skinny on racicot? |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 08:08 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. I was in AZ when he was guv. Came back to MT and the place was a mess |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #34 |
60. I knew about the draft and about Martz. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
4. Black Water is also a scam, just on a bigger scale. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. where have you been lately? I've missed seeing you on DU |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. and of a different kind |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. That's a good point. The real BW site is pretty careful |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
5. Some kind of defense contracting scam is what I've been thinking. |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
7. I have to agree with the notion that its a scam |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. thanks for the video links |
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donquijoterocket (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
63. camouflage |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 04:10 AM Response to Reply #7 |
31. Those look like stock photos |
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DangerousRhythm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 05:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
89. Trademarked?! |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
8. The link to |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 10:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. whoops -- the editing time expired, but here's the actual link |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 11:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Thanks very much. n/t |
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kid a (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
10. That seems to be the growing consensus here in Billings |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
17. They used a photo from "The Gun Digest Book of Assault Weapons" by Jack Lewis |
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Ellipsis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 11:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Looks like it's from the photo shoot for the cover it's uncrooped. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
19. Kick. This is really good research...nt |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
22. It's all just too fuzzy |
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Ellipsis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
24. This is some good research. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Yeah, there appears to be quite a tangle of shell companies |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
25. I dunno. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 12:28 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Yeah, those newscasts all suggest scam to me |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 04:01 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. It seems like these IDIOTS didn't do any research or background checks |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #30 |
40. thanks for the new links -- a quick correction, though: APF is supposed to pay the town 2.6 million |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 10:48 AM Response to Reply #40 |
57. You are not wrong, that is how scams work. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. Nice summary... |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #30 |
58. Turns out their "headquarters" in Santa Ana CA is a POT DISPENSARY |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. I heard that the Hardin jail facility never opened because it wasnt up to code |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. Have not heard that one |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. @the facility was not up to specs for a Maximum Security facility |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #30 |
82. Theres more! |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. RE the fence: yeah, there have been rumors around the internets about a fence and big gate |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 08:40 AM Response to Reply #25 |
37. three vehicles do not a fleet make |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #37 |
48. They do in a small town like Hardin. n/t |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. But the con artist don't need $ for a 'fleet' |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
29. They were formed just a few weeks after Blackwater became Xe |
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maddezmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 07:33 AM Response to Original message |
32. more info is always good |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
33. Some more information...Address listed on APF website... |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 08:38 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. LOL Gotta tell ya, after years of living in small MT towns, the only part that isn't 'oniony' |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I do not doubt the comment at all. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Beginning to think maybe more than just a con... |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 09:52 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Serbian felon poses as head of American Police Farce...nt |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 10:15 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. LOL somebody should write a book |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #44 |
52. LOL, omg...too funny |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I gotta laugh to keep from crying for those folks in Hardin |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #44 |
53. as long as they actually film it in the area |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Hey, get me Val Kilmer on the phone, will ya? |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #55 |
75. Don't forget Mr. T!! |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #75 |
86. Swampy! |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
35. The APF Logo is the Serbian National Crest |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 09:14 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Michael Hilton, the felon I mentioned in the OP who is "head" of the company, is from Montenegro |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
43. As reported, MAH plead guilty to multiple counts... |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. He probably figured somebody talked the folks in Hardin into building the prison |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. All of this is speculation, but there are patterns emerging |
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Ruby the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
46. At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, the worst we can do |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. well, a hoax is different from a scam |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #47 |
56. Agree. Pity anybody digging real dirt on Blackwater right now |
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Ruby the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #47 |
61. This is true. |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #46 |
51. The government entity that contracted with them is... |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
64. You can take almost any part of that |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. exactly, though sometimes they change the wording just enough to screw up the meaning |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. LOL |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
68. Kick... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #68 |
81. ... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
69. at least some of the pictures come from "bigstockphoto.com" |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I don't think there is any part of that website |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. I'm sure you're right -- though I do wonder where this photo comes from |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. I bet if we had the time or inclination |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. I found where they copied this site info from: |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. You rock, dawlin'! |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. Hi Swampy !!!! |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. at least they've got a wide variety of sources from which they steal |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Including the Bureau of Labor and Statistics |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
78. ... |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. ... |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
84. Montana attorney general to investigate APF |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Good to hear -- it will be interesting to see what he comes up with |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Becky Shay is a sad case in all this. A reporter getting conned that much? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 09:23 AM Response to Reply #84 |
90. This will be very embarrassing for a lot of people in MT. (nt) |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Embarrassing for a few; heartbreaking for many. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Very basic skills... like an understanding of due diligence. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Smaller towns often do not have people with a broad base of experience |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. And speaking of not doing due diligence: Computer voting systems and counties/states across America |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. I don't believe for a split second most of those got 'suckered'. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. LOL Believe what you will. But a lot of 'officials' fell for a lot of crap re BBV |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Officials often 'fall' for whatever their buddies or the vendor with the hottest sales rep |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. In other words... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
99. kick |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
100. Is "Michael Hilton" here legally? (Just look at his aliases) |
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Thickasabrick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
101. I heard it could be a military porn operation. nt |
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