talkative cop on power trip while the cameras roll. This one is kind a of funny

[Liberal_in_LA]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/crime/detail?entry_id=48696&tsp=1

Who's in the right here, commenters?

In the past two days, a video of a San Francisco police officer arresting a skateboarder named Zach Stow has gone viral, prompting an online controversy: Did Stow deserve to be handcuffed and arrested, and was the arresting officer out of line when he threatened to break Stow's arm "like a twig" if he resisted?

The video begins with an exchange between Stow and his friends and the officer, who later identifies himself as "Officer Schwab, (badge number) 2099." The police roster shows him to be Officer Noel Schwab, who works at Southern station.

It's clear that it's not a friendly situation to begin with, as Schwab is examining several pieces of identification belonging to Stow's dour-looking friends. Exactly when and where the incident is happening are not known.

The situation goes quickly downhill when Stow explains he is "pissed" because the officer is a "f-- d--." Schwab pulls him up, tells him he is being arrested for "skateboarding in the city and county of San Francisco," and puts him in handcuffs.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/crime/detail?entry_id=48696&tsp=1#ixzz0SeS7cvIV

[Forkboy]

1. The kid shouldn't have called him an asshole, and the cop shouldn't have proved him correct.

[EFerrari]

8. I'd put this one at 5 on a scale of 1-10 for the SFPD.

I've met much better AND much worse. Don't know much about the guys at Southern Station.

[imdjh]

13. The cop actually set up the whole "now I'm gonna act like a dick thing"

The kid was sitting there quietly letting the cop do his thing, protecting the city from middle class kids while crackheads run rampant, and the cop started it all with the "your boy has a headache...... aren't you ashamed of yourself" thing.

[Wizard777]

28. It doesn't matter what you call them.

We had a cop in Baltimore go bat shit crazy because a skate rat called him "Dude."

[Gormy Cuss]

52. That sums it up nicely.

:thumbsup:

The kid needs to grow up and the cop needs anger management classes (i.e. "growing up" remedial ed.)

[imdjh]

55. This guy shouldn't have been black to a cop, or gay, take your pick.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/iteam&id=6749849

[mth44sc]

2. Just for the record

I really don't have too much of a problem with it...

[imdjh]

3. The cop is a dick, and I believe a liar. It's hard to imagine that skating is illegal in SF

And even if it were, it's clear that his actions have nothing to do with enforcing the law, they are him being an asshole because the kid called him an asshole.

Officer Scwab should get a reduction in his very generous salary, sufficient that he understands that his job is not to be an asshole.

Holy, mother of God. Do you know how much SF police officers make? $75,868 to $101,556

[Ignis]

7. It's illegal in most of SF.

They used the gentrification building/zoning push during the developer-friendly Willie Brown / dot.com days to restrict skateboarding greatly in most of the city. Here's an article on some of the most recent restrictions:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/03/09/DDGMPOHD711.DTL

[imdjh]

24. The skaters should start calling the cops about bicyclists. And then pedestrians.

[pacalo]

4. The cop was being a jerk before the kid called him a dick -- under his breath.

Had the cop simply informed the kids of the statute against skateboarding on public property, the kids seemed polite enough to move along to another area. Instead, the cop took a condescending, bullying attitude with his "does anyone have an Exedrin because your boy looks like he has a headache" comment, which overwhelmed the kid's sense of dignity & moved him to utter "he's a dick" under his breath. Too bad the cop had good hearing.

Another cop-on-a-power-trip story. It was an event that could have been preventable, had the cop been more mature & less macho-minded.

[Treo]

10. By the same token

Had the kid kept his mouth shut he'd have been cut loose W/ a warning. You can't control the cops but you can sure as hell not do anything to make it worse on you.

Officer, I do not wish to make any statment ant this time. am I free to leave? Lather rinse repeat.

[imdjh]

19. I doubt it. The cop was looking for a reason.

Maybe we ought to treat resisting arrest like they once treated rape. If the cop has no bruises, wounds, or scars then he gets laughed out of the court room.

[Treo]

22. Looking for a reason

Maybe he was, does that make the kid any less stupid for handing him one?

Officer, I elect to exercise my right to remain silent. Am I free to leave?

Treo's first rule of police interactions: If you talk to a cop long enough you WILL say something thay can use against you.

[imdjh]

23. Well, those kids really learned to respect the cops and the law from this. nt

[Treo]

25. Respecting the law

Who said anything about respecting the law? I hope that the kid learned that the best thing you can do when a cop tries to start an official conversation W/ you is shut up.

[imdjh]

26. On the brightside, Noel Schwab is now the official dickwad of San Francisco. Quite an achievement.

[Taitertots]

72. I hope this kid learned that when you get caught breaking the law

The best thing you can do to someone cutting you a break is say thank you.

[maxtek73]

73. officer schwab 2099

first off kids are suposed to act stupid thats is why we treat them like kids, but your suposed to educate them not threaten to break limbs. also the pig did say something about taking medication for a headache? that is playing doctor. seriously though the pig is an adult and should set examples not show how he him self is emotionaly challenged. if that pig cant even understand kids act like kids then he should not be allowed to be in public around kids. also he sited the others just cause some woman was taping the incident, typical pig who stifles those who excersize the rights given to them by the constatution.

[Taitertots]

66. Obviously false

He was about to let them go without giving them the citations they legally deserved.

Little mister punk had to run his mouth and they got exactly what they had coming.

[asdjrocky]

35. Fuck that.

He was looking for a reason to be an even bigger dick.

[Treo]

36. I never disputed that

I merely stated that the it was in the kid's best interest to keep his mouth shut. There is not a single situation you can get in W/ a cop that you can't make worse by opening your mouth.

Please watch this video for further amplification http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

[asdjrocky]

40. And that's my problem with cops.

Show me a law that I'm breaking by mouthing off to a cop.

What they do is wrong and should not be tolerated in a country that calls itself the land of the free.

[TankLV]

65. True - and I totally agree with you - but good luck with that...

With that attitude, where do we visit you in jail?

Sometimes, it takes a lot of fortitude to DIFFUSSE a situation, rather than insist on "being right"...

Like my mother used to say: You can be "DEAD Right" - you may be "right" but you'll still be DEAD - so you have to decide early on, which is more important and is it really worth it...

[asdjrocky]

41. And I did watch the vid, thanks.

[Taitertots]

67. Except he was clearly about to let them all go without citations

until the people he was doing a favor started giving him shit.

[safeinOhio]

5. Thats what happens when

you mix a bad donut with cold coffee.

[951-Riverside]

6. I've heard that SF cops are brutal.

[Treo]

9. Talking to the police.

If you talk to the police long enough you WILL say something they can use against you. Officer I do not wish to answer any questions, and STFU

[LooseWilly]

11. Obviously, the kid forgot to say "sir"...

As in, "I'm fucking pissed because you're being a dick, sir."

When they're in the mood, they'll look for any loophole to strongarm you... literally in this case. That cop was a dick.

[imdjh]

12. Well I guess we showed the world- gay cops can be as big a prick as straight ones.

[triple point]

15. HUH?

:wtf:

[imdjh]

17. Could you be more specific?

[imdjh]

18. dupe

[Hell Hath No Fury]

27. Why would you assume the cop was gay?

Because he is a "San Francisco" cop??? Explain your comment to this San Franciscan.

[imdjh]

29. I didn't assume. nt

[Hell Hath No Fury]

37. So you personally know --

this officer? Or you had had sex with this officer to know that he is gay?

If not, then you have ASSUMED and made an ass of yourself in the process.

[imdjh]

38. Wow, that's some mindset there. I need to have sex with someone to have a reason to think he's gay?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

42. Or you have to personally know him --

If you are just going on "gaydar", then, sorry, you are still making an assumption about this officer.

[imdjh]

44. Because I ought to assume he's heterosexual? I get it.

Except that gaydar isn't assumption. Your original objection was that I allegedly assumed he is gay because he's an SF cop. That would be incorrect and it should have been obvious that that was not the case, or I would have used the plural to refer to him AND his police partner Harry Lum. But I didn't. I referred only to Schwab,

[uppityperson]

46. So you know him personally, he and his partner, now I am assuming "partner" doesn't mean cop partner

but more like significant other partner. Am I right?

[imdjh]

50. I said "police partner" .

[uppityperson]

62. I was mistaken, excuse me. So, why do you assume anything about his sexual orientation?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

48. No, YOU are the one --

who brought up his alleged sexuality -- YOU are the one who flat out clamed he was gay -- my question you to was and has been on what basis do you make that assumption?

[imdjh]

51. Actually, I made a passing remark. You made a stupid remark. And I stupidly responded. Bye. nt

[Zix]

61. No, gaydar's not assumption. It's bullshit.

[uppityperson]

63. "gaydar isn't assumption". Hahahahahahahahaha. Right. Pull the other one

[Zix]

60. Yes.

[uppityperson]

64. Yes. Or know him personally. Which you haven't said, just "gaydar isn't assumption"

[Treo]

30. Gay cops

I think he's using gay as an insult for this particular cop he's a hater

[imdjh]

31. Right. Because I'm 12 years old.

[Treo]

32. Ok, why is this particular Cop's orientation relevant to the topic at hand? NT

[imdjh]

33. It's relevant to me, I don't care if it's relevant to you.

I expect better of gay cops. You, on the other hand, have made it clear through your posts that a person has little reason to expect much in the way of reason or civility from you. While I can't stop you from commenting on my posts, I would ask that you refrain from making stupid accusations.

[Gormy Cuss]

54. Would you please explain why this is relevant ?

I think the reason that you've been getting a lot of heat here is that your comment had no context.

Assuming that you do know Schwab is gay, do you expect him to act better because he needs to contribute to a positive image of gays, or because he should be more mindful of how prejudicial behavior by cops kept gays (and women and persons of color) out of the ranks of LE for so long?

[imdjh]

57. Yes. The police culture is suppressed by diversity, but it also tends to assimilate.

The "It's us against them." mentality central to police identity and culture is a very powerful thing. While police departments resisted diversity, ultimately they managed to assimilate the other while maintaining the culture of entitlement due to the perception of risk and sacrifice.

[Echo In Light]

14. Fascist dick with fragile HUGE ego

[triple point]

16. Kudos to the SFPD putting a big dent in their rampant crime wave

illegal skateboarding.


:eyes:

[guitar man]

20. well there's a better way to handle it

like this :D

A cowboy was pulled over by a state trooper for speeding. The trooper started to lecture the cowboy about his speeding, and in general, began to throw his weight around to try to make the cowboy feel uncomfortable.

Finally, the trooper got around to writing out the ticket. As he was doing that, he kept swatting at some flies that were buzzing around his head. The cowboy said, "Having some problem with circle flies there, are ya?"

The trooper stopped writing the ticket and said, "Well, yeah, if that's what they are. I never heard of circle flies."

So the cowboy says, "Well, circle flies are common on ranches. See, they're called circle flies because they're almost always found circling around the back end of a horse."

The trooper says, "Oh," and goes back to writing the ticket. Then after a minute, he stops and asks, "Are you trying to call me a horse's ass?"

The cowboy says, "Oh no, trooper. I have too much respect for law enforcement to even think about calling you a horse's ass."

The trooper says, "Well that's a good thing," and goes back to writing the ticket.



After a long pause, the cowboy says, "Hard to fool them flies, though."


:rofl:

[imdjh]

21. lol nt

[asdjrocky]

34. Poor little cop got his biiiiiig ego hurt.

It's not his job to teach anyone a lesson. Fucking pig.

[MrScorpio]

39. Bad Cop

No Donut

[Liberal_in_LA]

56. had no idea this thread was still being discussed. I almost missed out

[Toucano]

43. That officer did fine.

He never lost his temper.

He explained his actions more than was necessary.

If Punky McPunk is man enough to call an officer a "fucking dick", he's man enough face the music.

[imdjh]

45. He lost his temper. He just didn't pitch a fit.

He apparently wasn't going to arrest anyone based on the activities of the boys when he arrived on the scene relative to the alleged complaint.
He decided to arrest Zach Stowe and hassle the others because he didn't like the way he was spoken to by Zach and the bystanders. That's getting pissy, and it is indeed losing his temper, especially when he threatens to do something that is illegal.

[Toucano]

47. He never raised his voice, he never screamed.

He handled himself professionally.

You don't get to go around calling people (anyone!) a "fucking dick" without consequences.

That's the nature of living in a society. Punky McPunk needs to learn that.

[imdjh]

49. Naw, he didn't lose his temper, "I'll break your arm like a twig." nt

[Toucano]

59. "Fucking dick"

The twig "threat" was spoken with perfect calm while Punky McPunk squirmed and resisted.

[imdjh]

53. Here's where it goes. Today he picks on kids, tomorrow grown ups.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/iteam&id=6749849

[VOX]

71. Excellent. Outstanding catch. n/t

[VOX]

69. The cop's job is to protect and serve, not to showboat, grandstand and be a jerk-off cowboy...

Granted, the kid was utterly a dumb shit for calling the officer a "fucking dick." You don't have to be a genius to know what's going to happen next. That said, this is an easy collar for the cop. It's not some lunatic with an Uzi, or a drunk with a Bowie knife, or a 6'5" man on PCP. So why all the grandstanding and threatening with some little whelp of a skateboarder?

If the cop wants to take the kid in, fine, but he could have made the arrest firmly, quickly and quietly, to greater effect. To the bystanders, he could have just given his name and badge number, said he was enforcing the law, and not engaged them any further.

[Taitertots]

58. What a stupid kid

The cop was going to let them go and he called him names and got him and all his friends in the trouble they rightly deserved.

Seems like shit head wanted to cause a scene so his friend could video tape it and they would be cool. Now that the cop didn't do anything they are still whining like little girls. I hope they try to complain and the video gets them laughed out of court.

[VOX]

68. The kid was major-league stupid; that said, the cop is a badge-heavy, showboating asshole...

Anyone with half a functioning brain cell can tell you what's gonna happen if you call a cop a "fucking dick."

That said, this cop is a real piece of work. He made a fish-in-a-barrel collar (not the kind he'd have to make in the Tenderloin), and yet makes a big tough-cowboy show about it. Real tough guy. His job is to protect and serve the citizenry, but strong-arming a mouth-off skateboarder and grandstanding are out of bounds, IMO.

[rd_kent]

70. Calling a cop an asshole is not a crime

When in uniform, cops are an extension of the government, not people, and should shrug off personal verbal attacks, period. It sucks, yes, and most cops cannot separate their personal feelings from their professional requirements.

[proteus_lives]

75. Most humans can't.

Call someone at the DMV or the IRS a fucking dick and see where it gets you. Hell, I've had people be extremely rude to me at my job and they did not get class A service afterwards.

[Onceuponalife]

74. Just another asshole cop

What else is new?

[B Calm]

76. If the kid didn't want to build up the cops ego, he should have been wearing a Mason ring!