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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:37 PM
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We really did evolve from monkeys!

Ancient Skeleton May Rewrite Earliest Chapter of Human Evolution

By Ann Gibbons

ScienceNOW Daily News

1 October 2009

Researchers have unveiled the oldest known skeleton of a putative human ancestor--and it is full of surprises. Although the creature, named Ardipithecus ramidus, had a brain and body the size of a chimpanzee, it did not knuckle-walk or swing through the trees like an ape. Instead, "Ardi" walked upright, with a big, stiff foot and short, wide pelvis, researchers report in Science. "We thought Lucy was the find of the century," says paleoanthropologist Andrew Hill of Yale University, referring to the famous 3.2-million-year-old skeleton that revolutionized thinking about human origins. "But in retrospect, it was not."

Researchers have long argued about whether our early ancestors passed through a great-ape stage in which they looked like protochimpanzees, with short backs; arms adapted for swinging through the trees; and a pelvis and limbs adapted for knuckle-walking (Science, 21 November 1969, p. 953). This "troglodytian," or chimpanzee, model for early human behavior (named for the common chimpanzee, Pan troglodytes) suggests that our ancestors lost many of the key adaptations still found in chimpanzees, bonobos, and gorillas, such as daggerlike canines and knuckle-walking, which those apes were thought to have inherited from a common ancestor.

Evidence has been hard to come by, however, because there are almost no fossils of early chimpanzees and gorillas. Until now, the oldest known skeleton of a human ancestor was Lucy, who proved in one stroke that our ancestors walked upright before they evolved big brains. But at 3.2 million years old, she was too recent and already too much like a human to reveal much about her primitive origins. As a result, researchers have wondered since her discovery in 1974, what came before her--what did the early members of the human family look like?

Now, that question is being answered in detail for the first time. A multinational team discovered the first parts of the Ar. ramidus skeleton in 1994 in Aramis, Ethiopia. At 4.4 million years old, Ardi is not the oldest fossil proposed as an early hominin, or member of the human family, but it is by far the most complete--including most of the skull and jaw bones, as well as the extremely rare pelvis, hands, and feet. These parts reveal that Ardi had an intermediate form of upright walking, a hallmark of hominins, according to the authors of 11 papers that describe Ardi and at least 35 other individuals of her species. But Ardi still must have spent a lot of time in the trees, the team reports, because she had an opposable big toe. That means she was probably grasping branches and climbing carefully to reach food, to sleep in nests, and to escape predators.


Most researchers, who have waited 15 years for the publication of this description and analysis, agree that Ardi is indeed an early hominin. "This is an extraordinarily impressive work of reconstruction and description, well worth waiting for," says paleoanthropologist David Pilbeam of Harvard University. But he takes issue with the idea that the common ancestor of chimps and humans didn't share many traits with the African apes. "I find it hard to believe that the numerous similarities of chimps and gorillas evolved convergently," he says. Regardless, the one thing all scientists can agree on is that the new papers provide a wealth of data for the first time to frame the issues for years. "It would have been very boring if it had looked half-chimp," says paleoanthropologist Alan Walker of Pennsylvania State University, University Park

http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2009/1001/1
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:39 PM
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1. Ardi is not a monkey; she's something totally different.
She walked upright and her feet were made for walking, not grasping. Males and females the same size; no large canine teeth.

It's truly exciting to have this discovery to ponder.
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 11:24 PM
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21. Wait, that's not what it says above in the post...
Here is what it says:
"But Ardi still must have spent a lot of time in the trees, the team reports, because she had an opposable big toe. That means she was probably grasping branches and climbing carefully to reach food, to sleep in nests, and to escape predators."


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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:39 PM
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2. Monkeys are remote from us as primates go
Apes (like us) don't have tails; monkeys do. Our common ancestor split off several million years ago.
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back2basics909 Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:41 PM
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3. You are misreading it...
.. what it actually says is chimps and apes may have evolved from us, this being the common ancestor.
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:50 PM
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4. We evolved from a primate.
Monkeys also evolved from a primate. That does not mean we evolved from monkeys. It just means that if you go back for enough humans and monkeys have a common ancestor
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:56 PM
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5. The way I see it, we evolved from star dust along with everything else,
living and extinct.

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:01 PM
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8. We are star dust...
We are golden, we are billion year old carbon. And we got to get ourselves back to the garden.

Thanks for the earworm!

:hi:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 10:58 AM
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11. Peace to you, JuniperLea.
:hi:
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JimWis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:05 PM
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6. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing the information.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 05:58 PM
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7. Apes, or proto-apes, not monkeys.
We're just older than previously thought.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:02 PM
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9. Still flinging crap though
:eyes:
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:04 PM
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10. I don't think we've been anything except a human since we've crawled out of the primeval soup
do we just have to have been something else?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 11:00 AM
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12. So this would be "human" in your opinion?
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 11:02 AM
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14. I can a lot of myself in that picture.
:shrug:
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 11:01 AM
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13. NO. Humans and monkeys evolved from the same ancient primate... not from each other

Some people can't comprehend what they read.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 11:40 AM
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20. Correct.
Thanks.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 11:03 AM
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15. We're evolved?
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 11:06 AM
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16. Primates of the past ... Meet your future:
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 11:11 AM
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18. HE MOST CERTAINLY WAS A REPUBLICAN
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 11:09 AM
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17. HOW ELSE CAN YOU EXPLAIN REPUBLICANS
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 11:30 AM
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19. Everyone should watch the video at the link
Fascinating! It's discoveries like this one that keep me interested in science...just when we think we have it all figured out, something comes along to put us in our place and makes us realize that we were just working on one part of the puzzle.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 11:26 PM
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22. By Ann Gibbons.
I'm sorry, am I the only one who thinks that's funny? :shrug:
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 11:27 PM
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23. interesting
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voc Donating Member (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 12:00 AM
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24. I didn't. nt
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