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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 11:36 AM
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Venezuela takes over (steals) Hilton Hotel
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has ordered the obligatory acquisition of a Hilton-run hotel on the resort island of Margarita, it has emerged.
The move was ordered just weeks after the hotel housed Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi and Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe during the Africa-South America Summit.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8307234.stm
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brendan120678 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 11:40 AM
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1. Oh goody!
I enjoy these threads just to see the pro- versus anti- Chavez folks go at it.

:popcorn:
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 11:43 AM
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2. you pretty much know what is going to be said:
1. That this is inaccurate, that you can only get Venzuelan news from the right newspapers, and everything else is not true. Or,
2. That this is none of our business, that we have enough problems of our own we shouldn't be caring about their business (of course this is said by people who spend all day reading about Chavez).
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 12:27 PM
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4. Or that you didn't read the article.
Chavez is not 'stealing' anything. Hilton Worldwide will continue to manage it. The companies which own the hotel are in some kind of financial trouble - it may well be (though not specified in the article) that this is a move that will keep the resort open, and its employees employed, despite the worldwide recession. BTW, the owners are local companies, not international, and not Hilton - if that relieves your imperialist concerns any.
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 01:42 PM
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18. yeah right..
If your description was correct, then the owners would glady sell it and it would not have to be a forced seizure.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 02:03 PM
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22. The article says the government is not paying off the companies'
debts. That's all. They are being compensated for the properties themselves, rather than seeing them shut down, and leaving the owners responsible for their debts.

The government bought the properties to preserve the jobs and the function of the resort. The owners are unhappy because what they got for the properties does not cover their debts. That's the hazards of capitalism. They will have to declare bankruptcy, but in doing so they will not be throwing hundreds of resort workers out on the street. That's the benefits of socialism.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 02:21 PM
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28. +1
:thumbsup:
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 12:05 PM
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3. Pass the butter please.
:popcorn:
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 04:24 PM
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34. Yeah, I bookmarked it this morning. The Chavezians weren't awake yet, I suppose.
Edited on Wed Oct-14-09 04:25 PM by imdjh
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 12:30 PM
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5. It sounds more like a bankruptcy & forclosure.
:shrug:
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 12:57 PM
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6. It's stealing because Chavez is doing it.
:eyes:
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 01:15 PM
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15. Chavez would do great on Wall Street, eh?
Then he'd be a fricken hero
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 12:59 PM
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7. If this means Paris Hilton has less money to act stupid in public with
..then even the rabid Chavez haters should admit its a good thing.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 01:00 PM
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8. Perfectly legal and legitimate...
...comrades.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 01:01 PM
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9. Any source with something negative about chavez is evil and biased
Just like anyone who says the bible is wrong, or a religion is not right, is from the devil.

Chavez is PERFECT - and some here will back me up on that! :)
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 01:04 PM
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10. Oh, please. OP said Chavez "stole" the hotel. OP is factually incorrect.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 01:05 PM
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11. And bush did not steal an election, it was all legal (nt)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 04:50 PM
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36. No, Bush did steal the election. Both of them.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 01:19 PM
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16. he is less imperfect than the media insists
and those who believe the media should actually look at different information sources other than Blitzer and the rest of those fuckheads.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 01:47 PM
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20. Yep. For some reason, such simple logic escapes some people. (nt)
Edited on Wed Oct-14-09 01:48 PM by redqueen
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 01:12 PM
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12. like we don't have eminent domain here--and how did Hilton treat their employees?
any chance someone worked more than full time there and just made enough to live in a cardboard box?
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 02:37 PM
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32. *Thank you* for mentioning eminent domain!
Not that it hasn't been used for skeevy purposes here in Norteamerica.

Just hold your nose and research Kelo v. City of New London
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 04:59 PM
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37. Land Seized From Connecticut Homeowners Still Undeveloped
Sometimes things just don’t work out Developers and the community 'stole' the property, and not it sits idle. A homeowner displaced, and nothing has come of it. Good!

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/54571
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 01:13 PM
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13. god forbid the leader of a country try to help anyone with a net worth below $100 million...
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 01:13 PM
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14. Wow, how many ways can one ignore the facts and spin it into another
"Chavez is a dictator!" thread?


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Andronex Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 01:26 PM
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17. You never hear a peep from these anti Chavez posters...
when public property is GIVEN AWAY to the private sector on a daily basis, but when a public entity buys private property at a fair price, that's somehow criminal, go figure ?
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 01:45 PM
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19. like what?
I don't see daily news stories about public property being given away to the private sector on a daily basis. If you point me to one, I will gladly post against it.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 01:48 PM
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21. lol... yeah, funny how the liberal media doesn't cover those, right pal?
:rofl:
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 04:14 PM
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33. please link me to a story
Or else how would I know about it?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 02:05 PM
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23. Nice addition by you to the actual headline.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 02:14 PM
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24. He's Such An Ignorant Piece Of Filth. Fuck Chavez.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 02:15 PM
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25. This is like being insulted by Joe Lieberman.
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 02:20 PM
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27. It's OK because he's OUR ignorant piece of filth.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 02:29 PM
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29. It's Never Ok.
Fuck Chavez.
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 02:30 PM
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30. FYI, I agree with you
I should have used the sarcasm thingy.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 02:34 PM
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31. Really. What kind of government would take over a marina tourism base to protect the community?
Well, pretty much all of 'em.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 02:16 PM
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26. Naaman Fletcher takes over (steals) DU reality.
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 04:45 PM
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35. Chavez is a thug
I don't get the Chavez apologists. The guy needs to be killed.
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BOG PERSON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 05:00 PM
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38. Pat Robertson, is that you
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